That is not late. Oaks are slow growing trees, a timeline of 200 years is expected for them.
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Smart Danes. You never know when your country will need timber in large quantity. Back then, France king used up all our oaks to fail in naval wars. In 2027, our oak population still haven't recovered.
Meanwhile Finnish forest are gueting destroyed for data center... *sight*
In fairness, Finland has more trees now than 100 years ago.
Part of it though is from not letting companies pull bullshit like Google did. Whether this fuckass government will do shit about it though...
TIL.
France also has more forest that ever in recorded history but most of them are exploited, the number of tree or the surface of the forest isn't a metric for richness weither in biodiversity or in material quality. Let hope our ruler realised that and give the forest the very-long term strategy and forward planning it needs to thrive.
how tf you posting this from 2027?
Time zones + daylight savings.
Also not being American helps, we're frozen in 1942.
uh, american here, I think we're trying to return to 1942, and on the wrong side at that. lol
Yes, I did take a estimation that centuries of growth that hadn't happened yet won't happened for the two months and three days we have left for 2027. It is an estimation rather than a fact but I'm confident in it and will stick by it.
So... no time machine, then?
I've got a sofa where, if you sits long enough, you move to the futur. You have to be patient though if you want a big time lapse.
Well, I would have asked to borrow it, but I have no interest in traveling FORWARD in time. I'm doing that anyway.
I believe France did the something similar. There was talk of using them to repair Notre Dame since there's no more need for wooden ships anymore.
Of course, these plantations aren't big enough to make up for the oaks that have been cut down over the past few centuries across all of Europe.
I won't say. I'm not educated on the sudject. I just know that Louis the XIV infamously used up all the oak for it military ambition, that and all the country money and that today there is no oak older that 200 years old because of him specifically. That's the extend of my knowledge on the subject.
We do have les landes with a gazillion of imported super tall pine trees though! Planted by Napoleon if I got that correctly. Super nice in the summer.
In NW Florida we used up our Live Oaks, or Naval Live Oaks as we usually say. There was a pulley system where you could feel the weight between a cubic foot of live oak and red oak. It was a stunning difference.
Which is heavier? Idk think I have ever see a read oak. It doesn grow naturally were I am. But it looks like a pretty tree.
Everyone laughed until the Danish armada blackened the horizon.
They've done better for us by just being trees than being turned into war ships, anyway.
i love reading these things about history. Too often we say glib things about a country or culture without knowing the history. We should all read history!
fun history fact, denmark has like the record in number of wars fought with other countries.
No that is not true. I think you are confusing it with the fact that Denmark and Sweden has the record for two countries which has been in war with each other the most.
I guarantee you that the UK for example was in more wars in the 19th century alone than Denmark has participated in for centuries.
Foster, don't let USA hear this.
Eh. We should pay a bit more attention to Historians, I suppose?
The thing about historic records is they were written by biased sources who can't be vetted now. And, we're constantly destroying records. Plus, the Historians themselves are biased.
All we can do now is pick an interpretation and either agree or disagree. The majority rules, but is not always right, as we know. You can learn history in classes, and the professor will profess. You can read the documents provided--those that are left, and translated to your language, and therein lies more issues--and come to your own conclusions, influenced by what your professor professed, of course. And, then you've Learned History, but what do you really know? And, so it goes with education. We can only learn from the past in the present. It's not useless, of course, but it shouldn't be made out to be more than it is. It's not gospel, either.
Hell, we can't even agree about things that happened in living memory, take the George Floyd situation.
Go ahead and downvote me.
There are multiple few hundred acre sites scattered across new England and the Midwest that are specifically for maintenance of the Navy. They are mostly just used for The USS Constitution at this point, but she does get the best wood from those forests.
In 1573 the Spanish navy besieged the lakes and rivers around Haarlem, eventually routing the Dutch independence movement in a prolonged sea battle.
Today it's the location of Schilpol airport.
They should use some of it to rebuild a historical war ship for experimental research and coolness like they did for the French Hermione that carried General La Fayette to the USA in 1780 to join the American Revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_frigate_Hermione_(2014)
Capitalism is slowly strangling any hope of this sort of thing. We need to rein in capitalism hard before we'll get cool stuff like this again. If a case can't be made for how a new expensive thing will make the rich richer, then it doesn't happen.
Ehhh there's plenty of cool stuff being built and done without real economic incentive. Just look at the number of old steam locomotives that are being restored, or the number of new-build steam locomotives. These are multimillion dollar projects with no conceivable return on investment, yet people keep doing them because these are cool things that can be done!
Me when playing Timberborn:
Use up all your precious resources in the dumbest way possible. I'm looking at y'all rare earth users!
Now live in pain.
I heard rare earth materials aren't actually rare or uncommon, they're just extremely difficult to process.
They are “rare” in the sense that they are never found in high concentrations, and yeah you have to process a lot of shit you dont want out in order to get them isolated. Other than that they are literally everywhere, just in tiny bits
rare earth because there's only one earth duhhhh
;-)
Because they behave similarly electrically, chemically and dynamically by mass. So all the various ways of processing materials then always have a difficult path to separating the elements that are close to one another. Plus they're actually rare so only found in high enough concentration to make any economical sense getting from specific areas until there's a big enough market.
Fuck. It takes that long? Damn.
And then Google cut them all down
In the age of sail, navies did maintain forests for building future ships. Often trees were specifically grown into shapes needed for strongly curved parts of the hull, because bending of large timbers was difficult to impossible, and parts built up out of multiple timbers were always weaker than single timbers in the right shape. If you wanted to severely limit an enemy's future capability to project power, all you had to do was to set fire to their naval lumber stockpiles and uproot their naval forests.
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