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[–] 53 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

I had been planning to move to proton. Definitely won’t be now.

Fastmail? Mailbox.org?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    I moved off of Proton to Mailbox.org maybe 6 months or so ago. No complaints. Much happier tbh.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Seconded. Still need to move the last bit of my mail to Mailbox.org. I'd also recommend Fastmail, Tutanota, Disroot, and Mailfence.

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    IVPN is the only one I've found similar to Mullvad.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    What's the community consensus on it, though? IIRC, not so good?

    TBF, I'm familiar with these IVPN events, but I'm open to learning new & updated facts, fo sho!

    Webpages do not load and/or DNS leaks when connecting via NetworkManager

    2023 vulnerability

    Not to mention that Swiss laws on the matter are unlikely to change anytime soon, (ie. ironclad, in their constitution) whereas Gibraltar is a UK territory and isn't as reliable long-term in that regard —though they've successfully defended against suits before. So, yeah, for now. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

    tutanota is good

    Edit: I have learned that perhaps they are not.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

    First mullvad and now proton. Sheeeesh.

    So now this is an alternative email thread, right?

    Astermail? Fastmail?

    Are both also shoving ai down their employees throats and/or guving money to fascists?

    Is my only hope hosting and maintaining my own email service?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago

    We’ve known about Proton for way longer then Mullvad. CEO has had TDS for a while now; the AI pivot is like the last 5 degrees of the heelturn. Same with Omarchy and Brave.

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    One of the owners is a liberta anarch isolationist who donate to a right-wing anti-immigrant political party, pretty much single-handedly keeping it going, iirc. The company distanced themselves but did not apologize or say ‘fuck one of our owners’ so people are not sure what to make of it.
    Don’t know what it has to do with AI though.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago

    Can recommend mailfence.com for email, calendar, addressbook.

    Reasonably priced, publish yearly transparency reports, support email encryption, don't do bullshit add-ons, have shown to be stable about their principles throughout the years I've been their customer.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    Lotta discussion about alternatives.

    For email I recommend runbox.com. They just do email, that's it. worker owned, geothermal powered, based in Norway which has better privacy laws than EU and no ChatControl.

    For all else, find a NextCloud provider -- there are tons. Even a couple of free ones.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    What would you say, you do here?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    So, who's the alternative?

    From what I hear Tuta is only barely reputable? Something about false cryptography. Services like mailbox and posteo don't have a free tier. The offerings overall seem to be so bad that gmail is beginning to look somewhat desirable by this point.

    Not that it impacts much in the short term. Until a long-term viable alternative shows up, the best I can do is to continue using Proton's free tier so that I am at least somewhat a cents / nickels cost to them rather than a profit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    This is so vague we dont even know if it's a good thing

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Its not. Its to fire people who dont vibe code

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    That's not what it is, but keep making things up.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago

    The CEO of Proton is Pro-Trump and that's old news

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