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[–] 80 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

And just what in the fuck did you think the autonomous robot dogs were going to be used for, exactly??

Boston Dynamics has been very upfront about the fact that they've been developing the robot dogs for "police and military" applications. This protest is performative; they've known exactly what they're doing for a very long time.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Workers at Terminator factory upset that Terminators being sold to people who love Terminating

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago*

    No, you don’t understand! The company said we were designing our robots to be able to hold a gun, so that it could use seed cannons to autonomously plant trees! So that it could use squirtguns to fight fires! So that it could play laser tag with children! Why would they lie about something like that?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I thought Black Mirror nailed it.

    The real helpful usage could be a pack animal type carrier, but I dont think that causes enough Pain and Suffering^^^tm^^^ to appease the overlords.

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  • [–] 154 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

    Sorry but what the fuck did they think they were making these stupid ass things for

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  • [–] 37 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I think they got too used to mines and other industries using them for lidar inspections and forgot that they were literally working for a defence contractor.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    "Defense" Contractor? The 20th Century called, they want their "Woke" terminology back. These guys contract with "The department of War" now.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Search-and-rescue operations in a hostile environment (e.g. Fukushima nuclear accident)

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago

    Are they actually radiation-hardened though? My understanding was that robots for radioactive work tend to be extremely simplistic because of that limitation, and you probably don't want a radioactive particle flipping a bit that makes the dog decide now would be a great time to do a backflip into the spent fuel pool.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    I guess some people see a difference between using them to hunt poor brown people in the middle east, and using them to hunt down poor brown people (or better yet, protestets enemies of the state) in USA.

    Clearly these and the humanoid robot, were always just going to be used as machines of war, wether it be domestically or internationally.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    I'm sorry, where do you get the idea these are made for war? Is that what you think whenever you see a machine shop or a hardware aisle?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (4 children)

    Where do you get the idea that these aren't for war?

    Why else would the Department of War (Formerly Defence) have dumped $123m into the company over the last 18 years?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Fair point but there's a huge gap between "this company receives DOD funding" and "these robots are designed to hurt people".

    I've worked in robotics and I've worked for companies that have accepted government contracts. Funding can be challenging in the robotics industry so using gov contracts to develop generally applicable technology is tempting. I would never work on a system designed to hurt people, and I want to give the engineers at Boston Dynamics the benefit of the doubt that I would want.

    Spot and Atlas both look like glorified tech demos to me. I have a hard time imagining them as any kind of effective weapons platform, even though they can look uncanny-valley scary. Especially when we already have effective robot weapons: drone with a bomb.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    The gap may be huge morally but it's very narrow in practice. The problem is that general purpose includes any purpose, including murder. It's rather different from airborne drones because it can be much stealthier and can simply move into position in advance, wait in silence and strike without warning and like drones it is effectively disposable so there would be very little form of effective defense against such tactics deployed at scale, but qualitative differences like that aren't really the main point we should be concerned about. The point is, we cannot ignore the extreme, profound danger these technologies pose to the protection and continued functioning of human civilization simply because it is not designed for it. It may be too late to stop it completely, but that's absolutely no excuse for leaving it unchecked and allowing it to run rampant.

    Nuclear weapons technology never stopped developing, but as humans, we all agreed it was too dangerous to let proliferate freely, and we have kept it in check and so far managed to avoid annihilating ourselves with it. It may not be the greatest success story, but it is the best we've been able to do, and there's no reason not to keep trying, if the alternative is annihilation, and I believe in both cases it is.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the thoughtful response. Yeah I've seen the Ghost Robotics prototype and I'm not a fan.

    I agree with you about keeping a watchful eye on the potential dangers of developing technologies. My original point was simply to add nuance to the "robot = weapon" reaction. These things are tools. A knife can prepare food or inflict harm.

    I think these days all of the new tech seems shitty or scary because of societal issues. Like how the absolute worst people in the world are in charge of these companies.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    Yeah I agree with you here. A general use diaster response robot is just naturally going to have a lot of overlap with a general use war support robot. It becomes a complicated issue and what we would hope would be the stop gap of intelligent and responsible goverment oversight and regulation is of course malevolent and entirely captured by greed and nefarious interests.

    Ideally all the robotics and AI people would rebel and we would install some utopic democracy built on human prosperity and freedom, but it’s a hard coordination problem to solve and the deck is stacked against us.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    I was forced to sit through a military tech demo at a school I went to, and they showed off using Boston dynamics type dogs for "rescue". But I think we all knew where that was going as soon as it had anything to do with military. The Boston Dynamics employees have to be delusional to think this wasn't on the cards.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 weeks ago

    Dr. Venture: Weapon? What are you talking about? Why the applications are limitless.

    UN Science Director: Are you kidding me? You blew up a model city with it. What are we suppose to think? Look, it even melted all the little people and stuff. Awww.

    Dr. Venture: Well, I suppose if it ever fell into the wrong hands it could be modified and used as a weapon after a fashion. But thats true of almost any technology.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Sometimes I worry that maybe the state doesn't have our best interests in mind 👉👈

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  • [–] 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Here at Torment Nexus we’re appalled that our company is going to sell the newest Torment Nexus to an organization that wants to use it to torment. We thought our management would act differently. After all, they’ve read “Don’t Build the Torment Nexus” just like we have and they know the risks of the Torment Nexus getting into the wrong hands.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

    Are we supposed to believe those employees weren't aware of Boston Dynamics long history of being funded by DARPA with the explicit intent of employing their robots for state use?

    https://www.darpa.mil/node/2035

    https://www.darpa.mil/about/innovation-timeline/atlas-robot-debut

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    DARPA is not ICE. They have different focuses geographically, politically, technically, and culturally.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Who did they think their market would be?

    Of course it's ICE, and any other government agency with a budget to burn through.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago

    They are really going to be used for one thing: walking flock surveillance. They are going to be deployed around neighborhoods to see who they can spot that's latino looking enough or who's simply on their suspect list. Wanna bet if they will get the local police departments to deploy them for ICE as well? They will spot suspects, build a profile, and when they have enough ICE moves in.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    The company's ethical principles state "if our products are being used for harm, we will take appropriate measures to mitigate that misuse." However, it's unclear what those mitigation measures would be.

    ICE's entire purpose is to cause harm, you stupid assholes!

    Boston Dynamics was a much cooler company when they were known as Boston Acoustics, selling car audio gear.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    ICE has lots of money it seems. Too bad the american people hardly have any.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    WELL WHAT DID YOU THINK THE ROBOTS WERE FOR??

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    I have some bad news about police and soldiers...

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  • [+] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Well this is about the US, so I'll focus on them. Their police kill 1000 people every year and the US has the highest incarceration rate in the developed world, as well as the single largest imprisoned population. As for soldiers, their wars kill people by the millions.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    The exact opposite. I'm trying to tell you that the US is an evil country and always has been, long before MAGA.

    It has one of the most violent police forces in the world, the most violent military in the world, and that is who they were making robot dogs for before ICE. That's why this is so ridiculous, they're acting like their hands were clean before.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    You're easily satisfied, aren't you?

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    [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    What I expected robots to be uses for when I was a kid:

    • Construction operations.
    • High risk rescue operations.
    • Hazardous environment operations.

    What robots are actually going to be used for:

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The most batshit insane thing about this whole ice and immigration nonsense is that about 99% of Americans do not want a Gestapo running the streets under the guise of getting rid of immigrants. I am so sick and tired of supposed politicians who are supposed to be representing the American people and the people's will, just doing whatever the fuck they want. Sure, a small minority of Americans really love the Gestapo aspect of torturing people who are undocumented (which by the way is a misdemeanor, it's paperwork for fucksake) it's really sad and pathetic that people support this.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The most batshit insane thing is that not a single bullet has been launched in their direction. Masked, armed men, no uniform, no warrants, beating, kidnapping and killing with utter impunity.

    Totally not related, but anyone can buy their gear, including the POLICE patch on Amazon. These people could be anyone.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I read the title multiple times and really thought they were trying to put spurs on robot dogs.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    It's super funny that cops think they won't eventually be replaced by some version of this shit.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    "Oh no, the all-purpose machine we made is being used for one of those purposes that was predicted by just about every scifi ever!"

    They're just protesting to virtue signal.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    I wonder what these people honestly thought the end result of building robots would be in the real world.

    These sorts of use cases have always been the most likely end result.

    Reminds me of the scientist that creates the torment machine then is shocked and appalled when it is used for awful things.

    Some people are too idyllic for their own good.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    Impressive how they look like this black mirror episode, 2017 but was a documentary of the future

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDP9jA6k_UE

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    We're in the evil timeline

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    Oh fuck you assholes, pretending to have a conscious now.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    honestly, boston dynamics… did you never play deus ex? don’t tell me you didn’t see a walking robot, and didn’t know that private security forces and the secret police were going to strap guns on it to shoot the under class.

    “the military were just commissioning them to carry supplies, or wounded soldiers!”

    damn, i thought they were supposed to be smart.

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    [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I think robots should be destroyed every chance we get. What would philadelphia do? Ask yourself that. (hitchhiking robot went like all over the world, then pissed someone(s) off in philly and they junked her.)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    But but.. we never thought the robot dogs would eat our face!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Good on them! Perhaps one day, like their robot dogs, they might even reach some level of self-awareness!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago*

    I drive past this every day and it has been going for a while. They’re sticking to it pretty well

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