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[–] 91 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

I am an old IT guy. This was a hard and fast rule: Never buy version 1.0 of anything.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (9 children)

    This shouldn't be a 1.0 version of a phone with a folding screen, though, android phones have been doing this for a loooong time now and they are not and haven't been flaky tech for some time now. I guess you're right about Apple and this SKU, though. A bit surprising, I'm not an iPhone person but I always expect them to do pretty rigorous QA.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    It is ver 1.0 for Apple. Same as touchscreen for laptops. Apple hasn't done it.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children)

    They're always a few versions behind, but somehow manage to get credit for the "innovation".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Don't they use Samsung displays though? If so I would have expected a similarly matured display vs this but maybe that is no longer the case anymore. It has been well over a decade since I cared about anything iPhone related, so I could be well out of date here

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Counterpoint: if you want version 4.0 of something. Someone needs to prove it's viability.

    You can buy v1.0, just know it for what it is and only buy in if you can accept the risk.

    I never bought a folding phone, but I want one and I appreciate the early adopters.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    There are always others who want to be first and have that 'look at me' factor. Let them jump and prance through the first few versions while the kinks are worked out.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    As a occasional bleeding edge buyer - I disagree with the motive of 'look at me'. (caveat: This post is entirely 'look at me', but I'm proving my point, not desiring attention, and have never even thought about my purchases this way until now)

    I had an HTC Magic - one of the very early Android phones - not because I wanted to be cool, but because I wanted the tech and google was still this sort of open, consumer-friendly company at the time vs Apple. That phone was pretty solid compared to the candy-bar or flip phones of the era, aside from battery life, but compared to modern smart phones it was garbage.

    I had an OG Rift VR headset (CV1). It did what it claimed, but it was low resolution, clunky, heavy, and unpleasant to use. But now we have Steam's Frame.

    When I was a teenager, working retail at a tech store, I saved up to buy an early LCD monitor. Now you can't even buy CRTs outside of niche vendors.

    I want quality EVs. I never bought a Tesla, but I wanted one before the crazy came out and just couldn't afford it. Now we have every auto manufacturer making EV options.

    I want quality folding phones, but my normal shape phone is still functional and I haven't needed to buy a new one for a few years. When I do, it'll probably fold. I'll be v3 or so by that time, but still showing there's a desire.

    I want to be clear that I'm not disagreeing with your 'let others work out the kinks', but sometimes I'm fine with having the first iterations because I want the resulting tech.

    Consider this my investment strategy - but instead of personal profit, I'm investing in innovation.

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  • I was an early adopter for mobile phones, and I was so fuckin excited to get one! Bought one of those things that would be a brick today, had a mouthpiece you had to flip down, and an aerial you had to pull up. Back then it seemed like sleek star trek tech. Took it back to the shop because the signal infrastructure just wasn't there. Stuck with my pager for another couple of years lol

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  • [–] 60 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Looks like Apple should have made sure their precision engineered hinge was also accurate engineered.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    Tbh, I figured Apple taking their time on these was because they were trying to improve the engineering over the Android folding screen offerings.

    Now I wonder if they just wait because everyone assumes Apple would try and make it better, and then they just sell a bunch + the Apple tax, even though it's just as bad of a product. Like, the marketing team just saying: "wait a couple years".

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    They still have to develop the software.

    Even if they just clone the hardware.

    Apple usually do the software more integrated than Android shipping phone companies.

    It makes sense that it takes longer to do those integrations.

    For me the price point is just becoming insane for even basic iPhones and the battery life is terrible

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Apple usually do the software more integrated than Android shipping phone companies.

    And yet the software rollout has been very bungled, and added more fragmentation into the app store, adding a "designed for iphone duo" label and poor support for existing apps. About 10-15 years ago, this is something which Apple fanboys made fun of Android about.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Given Jobs didn't even want a larger iphone form factor, he's probably rolling in his grave by the fragmentation this causes.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It'd be interesting to see a different world where Jobs were still alive and what Apple would have done differently. Jobs did have a history of hypocritical statements which basically boiled down to "Feature X sucks, no one wants it" until Apple would come out with the same feature, and then he'd say "Now that Apple re-engineered Feature X, it's perfect, buy it from us". I could see him selling the iPhone Duo but the difference would be he'd push for better app integration over the last 10 years ahead of launch so that it's not so janky.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    If given the choice between all these different sized iPhones and a foldable iphone, I do think from my completely uninformed view of him, that he'd maybe choose the foldable option heh. But ya it would be interesting to see the difference in how the company unfolded.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    True, but one might have hoped they were doing both in parallel. If no one can improve the hardware, these are going to go the way of 3D TVs, though due to reliability rather than annoyance and nausea.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I would have thought that Apple would have gone to one of the few manufacturers that have done the engineering for them. There's a few Chinese brands that have been doing it for years, as well as Samsung. The latter have almost a decade of experience making them now.

    But I guess with the current US regime, Apple doesn't have much choice.

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  • [–] 109 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    That's the exact failure that happened on the bend test for Zak on JerryRigEverything. Crazy it's happening without the full-muscle stress test.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The article says that the best guess is there's a physical part of the hinge about there that must be perfectly aligned, and if it isn't then that specific screen is eventually doomed.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Yeah, this boils down to a manufacturing engineering problem. There's some process happening during assembly that's resulting in these slipping by... or being allowed by.

    EDIT: And I mean, yeah, the thing could've been designed better from the get go, but that ship sailed long ago.

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