I know we have our complaints about the browser, but I liked this one :)

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[–] 126 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I'd prefer less ads, less budget for the CEO and less shady AI and crap opted in by default.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    How about no AI and crap opted-in by default? Seriously, Vivaldi is great for my needs, and I haven't had any problems using ublock origin and other ad blocking extensions with it.

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    Waterfox didn't come out of thin air, though. It still needs Firefox to provide an updated browser code so they can do their changes. I doubt they could handle a full browser standalone on their own.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    Oh yeah. But, they rip out all the ai. I'll stick with that until Firefox makes it impossible (which they almost certainly will).

    I'll move on after that.

    An LLM in my browser is completely unnecessary and actively useless

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  • [–] 59 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I've been ride or die with FF since before Chrome was a thing. I keep Vivaldi installed for a few things, but FF is my daily driver.

    I know that Mozilla has made some decisions that I don't agree with, but the Internet would be worse off without FF.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Same even on Android. If a site doesn't work well with FF, Vivaldi usually works. Vivaldi is also better for PWAs.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 weeks ago* (9 children)

    It’s a great ad! Sadly the underlying message is simply not true. Regardless of the browser you use (and I do use firefox) the old internet is no longer there. Now it’s just four apps full of brain dead content. It’s quite sad actually. Loved the video though, it made me smile :_)

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I don't know, small personal websites and webrings are having a bit of a comeback. Federated networks are humming along ,if not growing. AI is, ironically, making it much easier for people to build their own tools and ditch SaaS.

    I still have hope for a decentralization comeback.

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  • I'm working on a website, and to ensure it had the old Internet charm I'm doing everything from scratch. Learning html and css on the go and using bright colors. I hope some friends would make their own sites at some point so we could have our own little web ring, or find strangers who are doing similar things to me. I've been using wiby.me to find random cool sites but I wonder if there are places where people who are in a similar niche can hangout (that's perhaps more active than !keepwriting@lemmy.world

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's still there, folks have just gotten so used to using those same four shit apps that they forgot how to surf the web.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    Check out my Myspace page, while you're there you can find me on Digg and google video! /s

    I used to read a lot of comics on the internet, pretty sure I hit mid to high 60s of bookmarks. 80% of them no longer exist.

    Even the newer sites for things like finding niche products have been wiped, I used Massdrop for an age to get some good tech, now its owned by corsair and sells absofuckinglutely nothing.

    The modern rules of the internet are "If it doesnt make more money than god then it's not worth shit, if it does, then it's bought out by a shady conglomerate then used to harvest your data"

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  • [–] 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The internet I loved was a library. The internet now is a store.

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  • [–] 99 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The Internet you loved is still here.

    No it isn't. The internet I loved is long-since dead. This is the same shit internet. Firefox doesn't magically bring you to a wondrous new world of memes, and sites can still collect enough data on your device usage to build massive advertising profiles for you, despite what one may have convinced themselves of with a plethora of extensions. Also feels weird calling out browsers with built-in AI, considering the CEO's dreams to integrate AI even deeper into Firefox.

    It's a cute ad, but the core messaging is flawed.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 weeks ago*

    While Firefox alone doesn't transport you to that internet, I think the point is that browsers like Firefox are one of the pieces that makes up that older experience. Fediverse being another, I would say a lot of us are here because we remember this style of social media.

    They have improved the intentionality of the AI features, I wish they had it opt-out and easily configurable from the start. I moved to Zen a while back (which still relies on Firefox pushing out updates)

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  • [–] 26 points 2 weeks ago

    How do you do fellow kids adults?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago*

    I like the way Tay Zonday moved away from the mic (to breathe in).

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago

    Lmao, they got chuck testa, i wonder how his business doing.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago

    Firefox is controlled opposition for Chrome so that Google can claim they aren't a monopoly in the browser scene. It's why Mozilla always makes stupid decisions in spite of making an otherwise quality browser software.

    The internet of the past also didn't need 4GB of RAM to render a page.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Tay Zonday and Overly Attached Girlfriend haven't aged a day.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago

    Firefox is pretty great, but I prefer privacy and security by default, which is why I run librewolf only over VPN. I could go TOR, but man that's a pain.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    I have to keep a version of Chrome around because Firefox refuses to support or won't support web USB. But other than that my daily driver is Zen. Firefox based. And I wouldn't trade it.

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    Yes Firefox has pretty much been my daily driver since before it was called Firefox. And the UI overhaul in zen definitely elevates it. I wish the Mozilla Foundation was less focused on AI and advertisement bullshit and more focused on things like UI improvements or web USB support etc. The underlying engine is pretty decent. But it's the foundations behavior that really makes it not viable for a lot of people.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Why.. Why would you?

    I mean rhetorical, but god why. I want many layers between me and any internet browser.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Not OP, but it's insanely useful for microcontroller stuff

    Was part of a team who created an esp32 based gadget for "regular" people at a convention, and it was super easy to set up a website that reflashed the device if they wanted to change something or messed something up

    No need for users to install weird sdks, tool chains or using a terminal

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    This. I have installed wled via espressifs ide and tools. It's doable. A lot more work.

    I'm all for the isolation and such. It absolutely shouldn't be avalible to just any website. But comparatively it's way easier.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Some money for Laina. Nice!

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    And Firefox has a cousin called Librewolf that you can check out for more privacy.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Maybe questionably truthful.

    But at this point, I’d settle for a not-Cyberpunk future. The prospect of a total Chrome monopoly horrifies me, hence I’m all for this ad.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Mozilla is just enshiitifing on a different schedule than the rest, they will end up in the same place at the end. there are lots of pre-enshittifiaction firefox forks that are much better. Try one of those instead.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    I'm using one of those, it still depends on Firefox being around

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    No not really, once it's been forked the original can die and the forks will be just fine.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    That's true for a hard fork, not a downstream fork

    Most of these other browsers are downstream forks. I'm not aware of any popular/reputable hard forks of Firefox

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    The forks will not be just fine because they're dependent on Mozilla for the new features and highly important security updates.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Oh yeah? Because famously netscape navigator is still around for firefox to get all of their features and security updates from.

    Oh thats right it's not.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    That may be true but librewolf, waterfox, zen, ironfox, etc don't have large companies with funding from google to push out features and security updates as fast as possible. Meaning that if Mozilla goes down, then all those forks go down with it unless they can find lots of contributors and funding.

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    Great ad! But here I am on Chrome and Edge with zero adverts, even on YouTube. (I know, tracking is a thing.)

    I don't even know how I killed YT adverts. My Pihole?

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