Yeah, and I used to love Chappelle too. Now I kind of just hate stand up comedy as a whole.

I hate people’s compulsion to jump into righteous avenging angel mode at every opportunity.

Weird because you seem perfectly fine jumping to righteous defense of sexual abusers against the "loudest people on social media" without a second look at any of the very real allegations.

Since you were too fucking lazy to look into this at all before casting doubt on the victim's stories:

The identities of the women police and prosecutors spoke to were not revealed, but “Game of Thrones” actor Esmé Bianco — who sued Manson in a case that has been settled — said she was part of the criminal investigation.

Bianco said she gave investigators evidence, including photos of her body covered in bites, knife wounds and bruises, as well as access to emails and text messages in which she said Manson threatened her immigration status.

In her lawsuit, Bianco accused Manson of sexual, physical and emotional abuse and said Manson violated human trafficking law by bringing her to California from England for nonexistent roles in music videos and movies.

Another woman sued Manson in 2021 with similar claims. Ashley Lindsay Morgan Smithline, a model and entertainer based in California, claimed Manson carved “MM” into her thigh, spewed antisemitic language at her, and isolated her in his home, where she was forced to work. She said Manson lured her into his home with the prospect of producing a film, only to be ensnared in a cycle of sexual and emotional abuse, forced confinement, and indentured servitude.

In addition to Bianco and Smithline, Manson was sued by dozens of other women, including his former assistant Ashley Walters, who claimed in a 2021 complaint that Manson offered her up to sexually please his famous friends and business contacts, including an actor and a director, between 2010 and 2011.

Wilson also claimed that Manson physically abused her with a whip and forced her to stay awake for 48 hours straight while force-feeding her cocaine.

Walters’ suit was dismissed in May 2022 by a Los Angeles County judge before a state appellate court revived the claims in 2023. Walters’ attorney told Courthouse News at the time that he expected the case to go to trial.

Manson was also accused of assault by his former fiancée, actor Evan Rachel Wood, in 2021. Wood claimed Manson groomed her when she was a teenager and raped her on camera at one point. The accusations led to Manson being dropped from his record label, and Manson sued Wood for defamation in 2022.

Singer Ellie Rowsell claimed in a series of tweets in 2021 that Manson filmed up her skirt with a GoPro when they were backstage at a music festival.

“There were no repercussions for his behavior, his tour manager simply said ‘he does this kind of thing all the time,’” Rowsell tweeted.

Singer Phoebe Bridgers, in since-deleted tweets from 2021, said she visited Manson’s home as a teenager and that he referred to a room as the “rape room.”

“The label knew, management knew, the band knew,” Bridgers said in a tweet deriding Manson’s circle for “pretending to be shocked and horrified” by the allegations.

More women came forward with accusations and lawsuits against Manson after Wood went public with hers. Not all of the women’s identities have been made public.

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On social media an accusation is usually treated like a Guilty verdict. I have no idea what the Marilyn Manson thing is about, but on social media it really doesn’t matter. People like to take in minimal information and make an instant, irrevocable binary judgement - good or evil, swipe left or right. Mentioning nuance means you’re automatically on the wrong side. That’s junk thinking - organic brain “slop” - and the fact that it’s becoming more and more the standard is MUCH scarier than AI or any other external boogyman.

The fact that you'll defend Marilyn fucking Manson without looking into the allegations at all just lays bare that you don't believe victims ever.

Much more of an indictment of you than anyone throwing side eye at Marilyn Manson.

Yes, absolutely there are limits, and you have to weigh your personal investment and history with the friend and if it's something you even want to (or can) move on from if they change.

I don't know much about the Manson or Corgan stories, I was just responding to the question of 'well what happens when these people lose all their friends, is that going to help them learn and grow?'.

Ive watched so many friends fall. I used to try and help in my youth. Now I burn bridges like it's the only option. Id rather not have friends then be surround by folks who dont carry respect of lifeforms outside themselves. .. or dont respect themselves not to get stepped on by the former type. I actually cant deal with it.