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[–] 3 points 1 week ago (17 children)

And now he's getting skewered by social media for not obeying the loudest people on it. We're all free to have non-conforming opinions, as long as we don't express them.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    And now he’s getting skewered by social media

    He's getting skewered for standing by someone with dozens of allegations of sexual and domestic abuse against them.

    Let's be real here.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    When you've known a person for years and truly doubt they're guilty, it's completely normal and natural to want them to be innocent, want to support them emotionally, and stick up for them. I hate people's compulsion to jump into righteous avenging angel mode at every opportunity.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I hate people’s compulsion to jump into righteous avenging angel mode at every opportunity.

    Weird because you seem perfectly fine jumping to righteous defense of sexual abusers against the "loudest people on social media" without a second look at any of the very real allegations.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Sigh. No, I'm defending Corgan for standing by a close friend and giving them the benefit of the doubt in spite of all the shit that's getting thrown at him (Corgan). He (Corgan) shouldn't be crucified for that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    He’s getting skewered for standing by someone with dozens of allegations of sexual and domestic abuse against them.

    Let’s be real here.

    And I'll repeat my comment from elsewhere in this thread.

    Corgan is welcome to stand by Manson, but that doesn't mean he's immune from public opinion. Defending people who defend abusers doesn't have much of a distinction.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. I do not have to be nice to the Westboro Baptist Church even though they are free to say the things they say. I do not have to be welcoming to homophobes, racists and war profiteers even though they may say things in scope of the law.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (10 children)

    yeah that tends to happen when you stand with abusers. let me know when corgan gets arrested for it, until then maybe you want to google "free speech" and stop implicitly advocating to take away people's speech just because it's on social media. you aren't free from criticism.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago (9 children)
    1. Criticism, involves discussion. Nonconforming comments are frequently submerged by douchevotes so people won't see them, with no engagement at all. To me that's more like vandalism or plugging your ears and saying "na-na-na-na-na-na..."

    2. On social media an accusation is usually treated like a Guilty verdict. I have no idea what the Marilyn Manson thing is about, but on social media it really doesn't matter. People like to take in minimal information and make an instant, irrevocable binary judgement - good or evil, swipe left or right. Mentioning nuance means you're automatically on the wrong side. That's junk thinking - organic brain "slop" - and the fact that it's becoming more and more the standard is MUCH scarier than AI or any other external boogyman.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Since you were too fucking lazy to look into this at all before casting doubt on the victim's stories:

    The identities of the women police and prosecutors spoke to were not revealed, but “Game of Thrones” actor Esmé Bianco — who sued Manson in a case that has been settled — said she was part of the criminal investigation.

    Bianco said she gave investigators evidence, including photos of her body covered in bites, knife wounds and bruises, as well as access to emails and text messages in which she said Manson threatened her immigration status.

    In her lawsuit, Bianco accused Manson of sexual, physical and emotional abuse and said Manson violated human trafficking law by bringing her to California from England for nonexistent roles in music videos and movies.

    Another woman sued Manson in 2021 with similar claims. Ashley Lindsay Morgan Smithline, a model and entertainer based in California, claimed Manson carved “MM” into her thigh, spewed antisemitic language at her, and isolated her in his home, where she was forced to work. She said Manson lured her into his home with the prospect of producing a film, only to be ensnared in a cycle of sexual and emotional abuse, forced confinement, and indentured servitude.

    In addition to Bianco and Smithline, Manson was sued by dozens of other women, including his former assistant Ashley Walters, who claimed in a 2021 complaint that Manson offered her up to sexually please his famous friends and business contacts, including an actor and a director, between 2010 and 2011.

    Wilson also claimed that Manson physically abused her with a whip and forced her to stay awake for 48 hours straight while force-feeding her cocaine.

    Walters’ suit was dismissed in May 2022 by a Los Angeles County judge before a state appellate court revived the claims in 2023. Walters’ attorney told Courthouse News at the time that he expected the case to go to trial.

    Manson was also accused of assault by his former fiancée, actor Evan Rachel Wood, in 2021. Wood claimed Manson groomed her when she was a teenager and raped her on camera at one point. The accusations led to Manson being dropped from his record label, and Manson sued Wood for defamation in 2022.

    Singer Ellie Rowsell claimed in a series of tweets in 2021 that Manson filmed up her skirt with a GoPro when they were backstage at a music festival.

    “There were no repercussions for his behavior, his tour manager simply said ‘he does this kind of thing all the time,’” Rowsell tweeted.

    Singer Phoebe Bridgers, in since-deleted tweets from 2021, said she visited Manson’s home as a teenager and that he referred to a room as the “rape room.”

    “The label knew, management knew, the band knew,” Bridgers said in a tweet deriding Manson’s circle for “pretending to be shocked and horrified” by the allegations.

    More women came forward with accusations and lawsuits against Manson after Wood went public with hers. Not all of the women’s identities have been made public.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    You could have saved all the effort of writing that essay if you didn't imagine my support for Corgan was defending Manson. I'm defending Corgan for sticking up for a close friend he believes is innocent, in spite of all the shit he (Corgan) is taking for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago*

    Corgan rightfully should take shit for sticking up for a person with dozens of allegations of abuse against him.

    He didn't have to say anything publicly about it. He chose to do so.

    And the public is allowed an opinion.

    (PS it's super funny that you mistook a whole article with a source linked as me typing up an essay hahahaha)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    On social media an accusation is usually treated like a Guilty verdict. I have no idea what the Marilyn Manson thing is about, but on social media it really doesn’t matter. People like to take in minimal information and make an instant, irrevocable binary judgement - good or evil, swipe left or right. Mentioning nuance means you’re automatically on the wrong side. That’s junk thinking - organic brain “slop” - and the fact that it’s becoming more and more the standard is MUCH scarier than AI or any other external boogyman.

    The fact that you'll defend Marilyn fucking Manson without looking into the allegations at all just lays bare that you don't believe victims ever.

    Much more of an indictment of you than anyone throwing side eye at Marilyn Manson.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Reading comprehension, Velma. I'm not defending Manson, I'm defending Corgan for standing by a close friend he seems to believe is innocent.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Nah, your comment was directly defending Manson:

    I have no idea what the Marilyn Manson thing is about, but on social media it really doesn’t matter. People like to take in minimal information and make an instant, irrevocable binary judgement - good or evil, swipe left or right.

    That's a direct defense of Manson, sweet Lovable Sidekick. Maybe the reading comprehension needs to be strengthened on your side of the aisle here.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    The hell it is. All I've said is that Manson hasn't been found guilty by due process, and it's totally normal and human of Gorgan not to give up on a close friend. Somebody here told me to be real. That's real. Either you're human enough to see it or you're not.

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