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[–] 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So former smokers who are now vapers (where 'now' is 2018) develop lung cancer 56% more often than former smokers who are now non smokers.

Former regular smokers who do have a family history of lung cancer, who formerly smoked half a pack a day for 5 years, who have not smoked in 5 years, are white, who have a BMI of 25-30... have a statstically indistinguishable from 0% risk of developing lung cancer.

https://shouldiscreen.com/English/lung-cancer-risk-calculator

So... 56% more than 0% is 0%.

Yeah there's gonna need to be more and better studies on this. There are tons of important factors and differences this study doesn't seem to control for.

The study itself stresses that it is an early study and insufficient to establish causality, it is a broad, top down epidemiological observational study, and is unfortunately not publically available (beyond a portion of the abstract) without a subscription.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
  • [–] 36 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    If it's the same study s few weeks ago, then no, or rather, the study isn't about that - it's comparing ex-smokers who quit cigarretes for good vs ex-smokers who switched to vapes.

    There, vapes have higher lung cancer risk than not smoking at all, according to the study. Which isn't really surprising.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    In all, scientists found that those who had turned to vaping after quitting traditional cigarettes developed lung cancer at a rate about 56 percent higher than those who quit entirely. Alarmingly, incidents of lung cancer death among vape users nearly doubled, with a lung cancer-specific death rate 91 percent higher than non-vape users.

    Of course, there’s an important group that falls outside the bounds of the study: anyone who got hooked on vaping without trying cigarettes first. It’d be fascinating to learn more about their fates, but the implication of the study — that vaping is turbocharging the chances of cancer among former smokers — is almost certainly cause for alarm.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    vaping WHAT tho? nicotine? cannabis?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    the use of non-tobacco devices like vapes and e-cigarettes to help quit smoking carries a strong link with the development of lung cancer.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Makes sense. Nicotine is still a bad chemical that does bad things and I'm sure regularly inhaling hot, thick vapors does its own damage. Better than smoking tobacco, still a half measure to just quitting.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    I wonder if it's because of all the very tiny particles in it. But don't worry! I just discovered Radon! Radon is simple. Wear it every day, smell it, lick it, make it yours. You're in control of your cancer. And it's free in basements!

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Finally scientific proof to what everyone with a brain already figured out.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago

    For the people who need this proof, this won't change their mind. It's going to take getting lung cancer for even half of them believe vaping isn't harmless. Not long ago some idiot was telling me adamantly that nicotine, a known carcinogen, is harmless.

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    [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Of course, there’s an important group that falls outside the bounds of the study: anyone who got hooked on vaping without trying cigarettes first.

    Hmm

    Edit:

    I checked other sources because the article is just bad

    https://www.oncologyrepublic.com.au/e-cigs-linked-to-increased-lung-cancer-risk-after-quitting-real-cigarettes/6075

    They have these quotes from the researchers

    Taken together, these findings suggest that, while e-cigarette use after quitting smoking may attenuate lung cancer-specific benefits of cessation, the broader health benefits of quitting conventional cigarettes are not eliminated

    Although e-cigarettes contain potentially carcinogenic substances, dual use may nonetheless be associated with lower cumulative exposure to toxicants than exclusive combustible cigarette smoking

    So it's not quite the "wow" finding "futurism" seems to claim. It just reinforces the consensus on vapes: If it's that or smoking, then vaping is better. That's not news, that's what doctors have been saying since vapes started becoming mainstream more than a decade ago.

    IMO that kind of article is extremely damaging: it convinces smokers that vaping isn't better, so they might as well keep their current habit.

    Especially if the article is trash enough to warrant reading about the study specialized journals that take their job seriously to dispell the sensationalist headline. As we know people always read past the headline, and love to dig into jargon-heavy medicine journals to get a proper grasp of the underlying study.

    Shame.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    GROUND BREAKING STUDY!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    At this point I do not fucking care one way or the other. The world is actively burning down with no signs of it getting any better. It’s either vaping or go back to cigarettes because I’m enjoying as many vices as I can during the crumbles

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