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[–] 143 points 3 weeks ago (60 children)

You can be the safest driver on the road, but what about the OTHER driver who messes up and ruins your day...

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Yup. If you're the best driver on the road, everyone else is automatically worse than you are.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I'm probably not the best, but do appear to be a local maximum.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    100% why I never got into motorcycles. Not judging people who choose to ride, but that's not a risk I feel comfortable taking on myself.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    I really wish there was such a thing as a safe motorcycle, but they're just outside my risk profile. They look so fun

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    You get a a motorbike or ebike and ride it where there are no cars, eg mountain biking

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    i know two people personally who almost died on dirt bikes alone offroad

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    People die skiing, swimming, cycling or even running. At some point you need to live your life and accept some level of risk.

    Or live in a padded cell and die of heart disease from never leaving the house.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    or just don’t ride non enclosed vehicles at high speeds

    every motorcycle rider i’ve known has had at least a major close call

    easy half dozen, father spent a month down on road rash

    father in law died due to weight complications after a bad harley accident and pain meds

    highschool buddy ran off the road doing like 40

    anway list goes on

    uh cosin was one of the kids on the dirtbike

    his step dad is a major x games biker and he at like 14 was going too fast

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Like 2 cunts I saw just this past month while cycling to work.

    I only cycle down like 100m of road shared with cars and its far worse than the nearly 8km shared with buses. Almost smashed someone's door in the other day because they didn't bother looking before turning.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    It doesn't excuse not using a seat belt.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    That.... was exactly their point.

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  • [+] -18 points 3 weeks ago (34 children)

    Not saying that people shouldn't wear seat belts, but this is something you shouldn't worry about. Seat belt laws work because if 350,000,000 people wear them, then you save thousands of lives each year. But getting killed in a car accident is still exceedingly rare. I could bet 10,000 people $200 that if they don't wear a seat belt that they'll still be alive at the end of the year and come out a millionaire.

    So wear a seat belt. But don't get paranoid.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Always wear a seatbelt there's absolutely no upside to not wearing it.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Naah, this is bullshit, seatbelts have saved my head from concussion quite a few times just from having to brake unexpectedly for traffic.

    Ironically, it's a no-brainer. Wear the seatbelt.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    This is starting to smell fishy. It's like you're all having a hard time parsing what I'm saying and jumping to spitting out the PSA.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Because your dumbass just told a public forum that we shouldn't be afraid of car crashes.

    Literally the dumbest possible thing one could add to the conversation.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Are you being serious?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    You typed words onto a public forum. Then you told the people reading them you didn't say that, when they can just scroll up and see you say that.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Are you talking about this post?

    Not saying that people shouldn’t wear seat belts, but this is something you shouldn’t worry about. Seat belt laws work because if 350,000,000 people wear them, then you save thousands of lives each year. But getting killed in a car accident is still exceedingly rare. I could bet 10,000 people $200 that if they don’t wear a seat belt that they’ll still be alive at the end of the year and come out a millionaire.

    So wear a seat belt. But don’t get paranoid.

    Where I start with "Not saying that people shouldn’t wear seat belts" and end it with "So wear a seat belt."

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (20 children)

    if 350,000,000 people wear them, then you save thousands of lives each year.

    getting killed in a car accident is exceedingly rare.

    Also, there are gradations between ‘fine and dandy’ and ‘dead’, how about you factor that into the benefits of seat belts.

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  • [+] -8 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

    The worst year for car fatalities was 1938. You had a like 1 in 3000 chance. That's exceedingly rare in my book. Again, I'm not against seat belt laws. I'm just saying they work just as well if you don't live in constant fear of death.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

    1 in 3000 per km travelled? Per year? Every time you get in the car? Per day? Per crash? What are these numbers.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

    First, again, I am not arguing against seat belt laws. Repeat: I. am. not. against seat belt laws. I’m assuming this is the misunderstanding and why I keep getting downvoted into oblivion and getting weird replies. If not, then why? I’m not understanding this push back.

    What I’m saying is that it’s not psychologically healthy to think your daily commute is a war zone and obsess on worst case scenarios like the comments my original comment was in response to.

    Now with the numbers.

    In the US, during the 30s, about 1 out of 3,000 people died in car accidents each year. By the 70s, with road safety improvements and such, this was down to 1 out of 5,000. Then in the 90s with seat belt laws, it was about 1 out 6,500. Today, with a half dozen air bags in each car, it’s 1 out of 10,000.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (10 children)

    If not, then why?

    I didn't downvote, but I already mentioned my objection that ‘dead or alive’ aren't the only two possible outcomes of a car trip. So the calculation should be different.

    The person who put her legs up on the dashboard and ended up with said legs way in her pelvis, has lived iirc.

    Also, this is a prime example of a ‘black swan’ event: happens rarely, but when it does, you really fucking wish it didn't.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    You’ll drive yourself insane thinking like this. And that’s my concern about modern society. When seat belt laws were passed half a century ago, we never thought about our legs being shoved up into our pelvis. We understood that it was a “carpet bombing” law. If you force a quarter billion people to wear seat belts, it’ll prevent thousands of deaths and injuries. But me personally, whether I wear a seat belt or not, I am just as safe. People have lost sight of that today.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Your attitude is completely backwards. I won't drive myself anything at all, because I learn this once and then I don't think about any of that, but I follow the best practices every time — as in, I sit upright and strap in. I don't ever drive without the seat belt and don't put my feet up on the dashboard, and that's it, I've reduced my chances of being mangled while on the road a hundredfold.

    It's the most Zen approach possible. Just do the best thing every time, and you'll get the best possible chances.

    Repeat the mantra:

    • sit upright
    • strap in
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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    So I work in the trades. Most of my coworkers don’t use PPE because they are too tough or whatever. They say the exact same kind of stuff you say.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure where you work, but it sounds like it's dangerous if you need PPE. I'm being rational. Driving isn't as dangerous as something like a construction site.

    I'm not being tough. I'm genuinely concerned that the PSA terror campaigns of the past half century have warped the younger generations. You're suffering from Super Duper Mean World Syndrome.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Are you sure? Construction workers are statistically far more likely to die while driving to/from work than on the job site. Ever since OSHA/modern workplace safety standards in the 70’s, auto wrecks are the leading cause of amputations in our society.

    Since the end of WWII, more American soldiers have died in on-base car crashes than in combat with enemy forces. The whole reason we have paramedics is because they realized people were dying at a higher rate on California state highways than on the frontlines of the Vietnam War.

    I really don’t think you appreciate how dangerous car driving is. I also dgaf and love driving and working on my carS, but you gotta be realistic. For most people, driving is the riskiest thing they do. Unless they ride motorcycles or fly small aircraft.

    Also I know more people who have died in car crashes than any other single cause. That’s anecdotal; but it lines up with the statistics. What I’m not sure of is why you think car driving is so safe. I also don’t appreciate, on a personal level, the implication that I’m an anxious/mentally ill wreck when you’re the one who appears to have an unrealistic view of the situation. Peace!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You’ll drive yourself insane thinking like this.

    Also btw, your general attitude regarding any kind of black-swan event should be 'huh, perhaps I should avoid that at a small cost, in case it fucks my entire family for three generations', and not 'who the fuck cares'. That's wisdom.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Again. I was not saying don't wear seat belts. I was saying prepare for black swan events but remember that they are black swan events and not the norm.

    I'm feeling like Not Sure trying to explain that I'm pretty sure plants need water.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I just have an issue with misuse of statistics. "1 in 3000 people died in car accidents each year" is a useless number that gives you no information you can base a decision on, though granted, it's at least more info than before. But still, what do we get from it? Assuming it's correct, is it saying that for every 3000 deaths 1 was in a car crash? If so, seeing as that figure was around 2.2% in 2017, with much better traffic laws, infinitely safer cars, better road design, construction, and materials... You can draw exactly zero conclusions from that stat. Were a lot more people dying in the 30s from other preventable causes? Are people now a dying much less? No idea. There's so much noise, how do you even factor in seat belts?

    If you want to draw conclusions from statistics you need to use the right ones. If we're comparing traffic safety then at least start here: how do injuries+deaths/km travelled compare from the 30s to now?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    1 out of 3,000 people died in car accidents each year

    for every 3000 deaths 1 was in a car crash?

    I think it's rather that 1/3000th of the total population died in car crashes each year, and your job as a voter was to judge if that's acceptable.

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    • [–] 98 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

    Uh yeah we feel that way too. I don't think anyone is glad to feel overwhelmed by basically everything.

    Edit: apparently people hated this comment? I was just saying that the comment at the top was a little dismissive because yes some of us have mental health issues that cause us to be overwhelmed. At no point did I think "bludgeoning over the head" was the correct move either.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Being unhappy about being overwhelmed is not the same as bludgeoning everyone over the head with the diagnosis in their best attempt to emulate an invalid.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Don't bottle up your feelings like that.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    If I didn't bottle up my feelings I'd be in jail for killing conservatives, I don't think that puts my girlfriend or my mom (who both depend on me) in a better place. I think I'll keep doing my thing.

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    • [–] 49 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeah, so, wearing a seatbelt is overstimulating to me. As is clearing the snow from my roof. And I need my headlights as bright as possible because of my bad eyes - i mean astigmatism. The radio also needs to be as loud as possible. And my adhd makes me forget to turn off the high beam. I also have jittery hands because of my arthritis. And there is a bomb that explodes if I drive less than 80mph.

    You really ought to consider that the other person might certain conditions, but still needs to get to work. And don't say I shouldn't drive and maybe should take public transport instead, I'm not a chump! /s

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago

    "public transport" you lucky chump! I'm taking a piss at you lol.

    Though I do think your take is a bit funny, the speed "limit" is 80 in Colorado so yeah it's 100+ an hour; I guess Speed would have been a comedy. And snow is the least of your concern lmao. Imagine waking up and it looks like an apocalypse where everyone left their cars in the street--everywhere--because of ice. And public transport is a myth in most places in the US; don't worry I love public transport overseas. But yeah at 100+ your seatbelt saves the fire department from cleanup duty.

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    • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    The shape and height of my body means the seat belt digs into my neck, instead of going across my chest and over my shoulder. Low key, sometimes I wonder if I would be decapitated in a crash because of it

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  • [–] 50 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Safety features are designed for a 5’9 man.

    A lot of people don’t know that the seat belt anchor on the B pillar is adjustable (in some cars).

    If it’s not, the only safe way to fix the problem is to raise the seat or use booster cushions, and then pedal extenders if your feet don’t reach.

    The clips make it more comfy, but also more dangerous in a crash.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm 5'1" and even though I slide the seat belt anchor all the way down and sit on an extra cushion the belt slides towards my throat as I drive. I think shoulder width and boobs have an effect also, (mine are sort of medium) and of course when I was heavily pregnant that raised other issues (put it across your hips, not your belly! And drive carefully so you don't have to slam the brakes because your bladder is already ready to burst!) but of course manufacturing engineers take the lazy misogynistic way out by pretending women don't exist.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It was all of last damed year that the first explicitly designed female crash test dummies were approved for use.

    So yeah.

    Hopefully we’ll start to see better outcomes for women in the near future.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    get a 4 point racing harness

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    From a quick search, it seems like it's not as simple as getting a harness and using it in my car, I'd have to also get aftermarket seats and possibly further alterations to the vehicle. Not a bad idea, though, and something to keep in mind when I'm ready for a new car.

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    [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    When me and my wife first started dating she'd pretty much never wear her seatbelt. I had to ride her so much to wear it. Started not even putting the car in gear until she put it on. Finally she got the message when I asked her if she wanted her son to grow up without her.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    My friend would never put hers on in my car. I initially rode her, then found intentionally hitting a sharp corner at high speed to be much more effective. She made a habit of wearing her belt in my car lol.

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    • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Do they do pre-prints for Darwin Awards?

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    [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (12 children)

    In the past children were taught fire is hot by intentionally giving them a small burn.

    In much the same way, one can end non seatbelt usage by using your break pedal to engage your non compliant passengers forehead with the dashboard, in a controlled setting. (Empty road/parking lot)

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (11 children)

    This is the way.

    I'm usually pretty good about seatbelt usage.

    >90% as a passenger, 100% as a driver.

    Recently I had a carload of people, we were doing 55mph, and a car pulled out in front of us, crossing the road. I have no idea how we didn't hit them. I absolutely stomped on the brakes, thank goodness it was dry pavement, the wheels still locked up (ABS pulsing), but it was a very aggressive maneuver. Had it been winter we'd have t-boned them at-speed.

    Also thankfully, everyone in the car was wearing their seatbelts. So while all the drinks and papers and random stuff around the car ended up on the floor, everyone was ok.

    This has renewed my convictions about passenger seatbelting, both mine and others. I'm back up to 100%.

    Edit: formatting

    Edit 2: highlighting the relevant part people keep missing

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Anything below 100% is not pretty good

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

    You're right, the world is black and white, and I'm a horrible person 🙄

    This place is exhausting sometimes.

    Edit because people can't read: I'm not defending not wearing a seatbelt. I was never defending that. I made a comment admitting that I used to infrequently not wear a seatbelt, as a passenger. That was dumb. Then I had a near miss, greatly appreciated my belt, and had a revelation, and began wearing my belt 100 percent of the time, and increasing my insistence that my passengers do as well.

    Then this guy above me here made a zinger implying that I was trying to defend not wearing a belt, and instead of defending myself (because I thought it was obvious to everyone with eyes), I chose to complain about people being exhausting.

    Admittedly this added to the confusion, because those who didn't read the first comment, chose to interpret my second comment as a complaint about being rightfully chastised, when in fact I was complaining about being unrightfully chastised.

    And now I've spent even more time explaining myself than should ever have been necessary.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The world isn’t black and white, and you’re not a horrible person. But there is no advantage to not wearing a seatbelt, and some pretty extreme bad things that could happen

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    You're not wrong, but did you read my comment?

    I said I used to wear it more than 90% of the time, then I related a story about a near miss, and now I wear it 100% of the time.

    The other guy seems to have had an emotional response rather than a rational one.

    I'm pro seatbelt, always have been, always will be. Worst I did was admit to being not diligent enough in the past, but people seem to think I'm saying seatbelts aren't important? Or that if you wear them most the time that's good enough?

    Wild 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Well, it depends.

    You probably think 90% is pretty good because you're comparing yourself to the people around you. In actual fact, national (USA) seatbelt compliance is around 91%, with the great majority of people wearing a seatbelt ~100% of the time, and the skew being made up of a minority of people who are wearing a seatbelt ~0% of the time.

    Now, I can't speak for what the other person is thinking... but objectively, most people are doing better than 90%. So when you say 90% is pretty good, it seems to me that they're doing you a favor by telling you that it's not. If you go around thinking that 90% is pretty good, you might not change, right?

    It's not necessarily a moral judgement. It's just a fact. By telling you that 90% is not pretty good, they're helping you, as well as everyone you share a car with.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    That's fair, I didn't know those statistics.

    But I stand by the fact that their comment felt very much like an emotional response, rather than a rational one.

    It seems as though they ignored the context of my post, wherein I acknowledge that I was wrong, that >90% wasn't good enough, and now I do 100%. This realization coming at a direct result of a near miss.

    In the spirit of the comment I was responding to, I fail to see how anything I said was negative. Unless we're not supposed to admit we were wrong, and grow?

    Also, everyone seems to miss the fact that I used a greater than symbol, implying I did better than 90, and that the figure itself was a ballpark, likely much higher.

    I'm fully pro seatbelt. The worst I've done is admit that I used to be... Only average, I guess. Which according to the downvotes, is a sin 🤷‍♂️

    Oh well, what can you do.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You literally described a situation in which you were the driver and had to make an emergency braking maneuver and were thankful everyone in your car wore their seatbelt.

    And in the same breath admit as a passenger you don't always wear it and it's exhausting people hold you accountable for not wearing it.

    Pick a lane, Mr 100% driver.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    Did...? did you read my entire comment? The part where I said that didn't always wear it, not don't. Past tense, and even then extremely infrequently. I admitted it was wrong, and confirmed that now I wear it 100% of the time, driver or passenger.

    I literally can't understand how people are misunderstanding me.

    And that guy wasn't "holding me accountable", he also misunderstood me, and gave me a one line zinger to refute my "claim". That's the exhausting part.

    The part where I keep spending time explaining myself because people would rather be outraged than stop and consider that there is a real warm blooded human at the other end of the text window.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yep sometimes people need those real near misses to remind them.

    When I was learning to drive I was very careful about checking each way and blindspots before doing anything. After about a year I was pulling out of a gas station one morning and there was a truck blocking my view to the right. I got complacent and I thought well I dont see any cars and I rolled forward a bit about to pullout and behind the truck was a car going 60km. If I'd pulled out I would have died.

    Now im extra fucking careful to make 100% sure I'm pulling out safely.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Glad you didn't die, that's scary.

    Yeah like a kid who gets told a hundred times the stove is hot, sometimes they need to gently brush hot steel to realize they need to be a LOT more careful.

    It ain't the right way to learn, but it's dang effective.

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