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[–] 143 points 3 weeks ago (60 children)

You can be the safest driver on the road, but what about the OTHER driver who messes up and ruins your day...

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  • [–] 27 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Always wear a seatbelt there's absolutely no upside to not wearing it.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Naah, this is bullshit, seatbelts have saved my head from concussion quite a few times just from having to brake unexpectedly for traffic.

    Ironically, it's a no-brainer. Wear the seatbelt.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Because your dumbass just told a public forum that we shouldn't be afraid of car crashes.

    Literally the dumbest possible thing one could add to the conversation.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    You typed words onto a public forum. Then you told the people reading them you didn't say that, when they can just scroll up and see you say that.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (20 children)

    if 350,000,000 people wear them, then you save thousands of lives each year.

    getting killed in a car accident is exceedingly rare.

    Also, there are gradations between ‘fine and dandy’ and ‘dead’, how about you factor that into the benefits of seat belts.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

    1 in 3000 per km travelled? Per year? Every time you get in the car? Per day? Per crash? What are these numbers.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (10 children)

    If not, then why?

    I didn't downvote, but I already mentioned my objection that ‘dead or alive’ aren't the only two possible outcomes of a car trip. So the calculation should be different.

    The person who put her legs up on the dashboard and ended up with said legs way in her pelvis, has lived iirc.

    Also, this is a prime example of a ‘black swan’ event: happens rarely, but when it does, you really fucking wish it didn't.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Your attitude is completely backwards. I won't drive myself anything at all, because I learn this once and then I don't think about any of that, but I follow the best practices every time — as in, I sit upright and strap in. I don't ever drive without the seat belt and don't put my feet up on the dashboard, and that's it, I've reduced my chances of being mangled while on the road a hundredfold.

    It's the most Zen approach possible. Just do the best thing every time, and you'll get the best possible chances.

    Repeat the mantra:

    • sit upright
    • strap in
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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You’ll drive yourself insane thinking like this.

    Also btw, your general attitude regarding any kind of black-swan event should be 'huh, perhaps I should avoid that at a small cost, in case it fucks my entire family for three generations', and not 'who the fuck cares'. That's wisdom.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Again. I was not saying don't wear seat belts. I was saying prepare for black swan events but remember that they are black swan events and not the norm.

    I'm feeling like Not Sure trying to explain that I'm pretty sure plants need water.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    So I work in the trades. Most of my coworkers don’t use PPE because they are too tough or whatever. They say the exact same kind of stuff you say.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure where you work, but it sounds like it's dangerous if you need PPE. I'm being rational. Driving isn't as dangerous as something like a construction site.

    I'm not being tough. I'm genuinely concerned that the PSA terror campaigns of the past half century have warped the younger generations. You're suffering from Super Duper Mean World Syndrome.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Are you sure? Construction workers are statistically far more likely to die while driving to/from work than on the job site. Ever since OSHA/modern workplace safety standards in the 70’s, auto wrecks are the leading cause of amputations in our society.

    Since the end of WWII, more American soldiers have died in on-base car crashes than in combat with enemy forces. The whole reason we have paramedics is because they realized people were dying at a higher rate on California state highways than on the frontlines of the Vietnam War.

    I really don’t think you appreciate how dangerous car driving is. I also dgaf and love driving and working on my carS, but you gotta be realistic. For most people, driving is the riskiest thing they do. Unless they ride motorcycles or fly small aircraft.

    Also I know more people who have died in car crashes than any other single cause. That’s anecdotal; but it lines up with the statistics. What I’m not sure of is why you think car driving is so safe. I also don’t appreciate, on a personal level, the implication that I’m an anxious/mentally ill wreck when you’re the one who appears to have an unrealistic view of the situation. Peace!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I just have an issue with misuse of statistics. "1 in 3000 people died in car accidents each year" is a useless number that gives you no information you can base a decision on, though granted, it's at least more info than before. But still, what do we get from it? Assuming it's correct, is it saying that for every 3000 deaths 1 was in a car crash? If so, seeing as that figure was around 2.2% in 2017, with much better traffic laws, infinitely safer cars, better road design, construction, and materials... You can draw exactly zero conclusions from that stat. Were a lot more people dying in the 30s from other preventable causes? Are people now a dying much less? No idea. There's so much noise, how do you even factor in seat belts?

    If you want to draw conclusions from statistics you need to use the right ones. If we're comparing traffic safety then at least start here: how do injuries+deaths/km travelled compare from the 30s to now?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    1 out of 3,000 people died in car accidents each year

    for every 3000 deaths 1 was in a car crash?

    I think it's rather that 1/3000th of the total population died in car crashes each year, and your job as a voter was to judge if that's acceptable.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Yup. If you're the best driver on the road, everyone else is automatically worse than you are.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I'm probably not the best, but do appear to be a local maximum.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    100% why I never got into motorcycles. Not judging people who choose to ride, but that's not a risk I feel comfortable taking on myself.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    I really wish there was such a thing as a safe motorcycle, but they're just outside my risk profile. They look so fun

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    You get a a motorbike or ebike and ride it where there are no cars, eg mountain biking

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    i know two people personally who almost died on dirt bikes alone offroad

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    People die skiing, swimming, cycling or even running. At some point you need to live your life and accept some level of risk.

    Or live in a padded cell and die of heart disease from never leaving the house.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    or just don’t ride non enclosed vehicles at high speeds

    every motorcycle rider i’ve known has had at least a major close call

    easy half dozen, father spent a month down on road rash

    father in law died due to weight complications after a bad harley accident and pain meds

    highschool buddy ran off the road doing like 40

    anway list goes on

    uh cosin was one of the kids on the dirtbike

    his step dad is a major x games biker and he at like 14 was going too fast

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    That.... was exactly their point.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Like 2 cunts I saw just this past month while cycling to work.

    I only cycle down like 100m of road shared with cars and its far worse than the nearly 8km shared with buses. Almost smashed someone's door in the other day because they didn't bother looking before turning.

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