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[–] 90 points 1 month ago (11 children)

The hardware itself was never particularity novel. The strength was in the software, support, and community which made the barrier to entry low and learning new skills easy.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Apples and oranges hardware-wise (and maybe having actually taken an intro to C++ course and not python plays a bias), but I found Arduino more approachable for a noob, given the Arduino has example code and a library manager within the IDE. RPi felt less guided to me and required a lot more external reference. That said, there's something to be appreciated about just saving the .py and having the program run without having to wait a minute to compile.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    In terms of GPIO only, Arduino is quicker to get started. Getting an LED to blink is easier on Arduino because you don't need to setup SSH or use the Pi's GUI. It's just that the Pi can do so much more than basic GPIO controlling.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    What I’ve used RPi for:

    1. Finishing masters thesis when my PC died at most unfortunate time possible.
    2. Controlling 3D printers.
    3. Connecting old boring paper printers to home network.
    4. Making my dumb TV smart (worth noting that RPi also supports HDMI-CEC, so no additional remote required).
    5. Hosting all kinds of stuff - websites, web-services, gaming servers, Discord bots, git server, VPNs, Pi-Hole etc.
    6. Controlling radio transceivers (SDR).
    7. Controlling robots.

    I’ve probably forgotten something. But yes - it’s a miniature miracle worker, that I used to throw at my problems. 🗿

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Ditto. I built a starship computer for my niece that ran on Pygame.

    Honestly, I'm surprised that there aren't more alternatives by now. It's been such a fixture for so many years I would've expected alternatives, but every few years I go looking and end up buying another Pi for my project.

    It's kind of indispensable for so many projects.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I’ve used some alternatives that are cool tho, like Pine boards (sadly, haven’t seen them in stock for quite a while now), NanoPi’s and BeagleBone’s (except “AI” models - their kernels are buggy unfinished mess).

    Sadly, today’s economy and decision of Raspberry Pi Foundation to shift away from enthusiast and education market made buying a used thin client more viable option for many things one would use RPi for.

    I’ve seen used Mac Mini’s on marketplaces at price tags comparable to RPi’s - you just can’t make this shit up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    That's interesting. What's a thin client? I'm not familiar.

    A Mac Mini seems like an interesting option. What OS do you run on it?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    A thin client is typically a low-end mini PC that doesn't run heavy applications itself, but rather connects to a virtual machine on a server.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Huh. Can you point to any good projects that demonstrate this? Because I don't see how this is a substitute for a Pi.

    Currently, I'm looking to replace an upgrade an instance of NextCloud running on a Pi, and I'm curious if this is an option.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I used HP Thin Client T430 to smart my dumb TV as it has HDMI (although it just has a chip that converts DP to HDMI inside the box). Used ones are easily found and very cheap. Requires additional adapter for CEC though.

    But for NextCloud instance I’d probably just go with ThinkCentre USFF rather than thin client (maybe 920q) as those are quite beefy for their size, while still being dirt cheap.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    Both are excellent devices. It's hard to compare them from a hardware standpoint because I think there are so few cases in which you would have to pick between these two.

    I think you could compare them in terms of fan appeal, in the same way you can compare Liverpool FC and the Greenbay Packers, not as rival teams but as two totally different teams that people love. But just like in that case, it would seem silly to argue that the Packers are better than Liverpool (or vice versa), you know?

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  • [–] 47 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    It used to be $30. That's why it goy popular. Broligarchs ruined that along with everything else too.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Now we have $7 esp32. Smaller, cheaper and does a lot of cool stuff.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The use cases are vastly different. And pretty sure I was using cheap ESP8266's a decade ago for everything I use an ESP32 for today.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Because of its documentation, community and software ecosystem. That makes it especially a good entry point for beginners. At least it was when prices were still acceptable.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago

    the Pi was never the important thing. the community around it was always the big draw. that community inspired a whole generation of DIYers and people interested in STEM. the impact of the Pi is understated, if anything, because that community branched out to other devices and tech.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I got a couple Pi Zeros for $5 each. For years they both have been significantly contributing to my quality of life by blocking ads on two networks with Pi Hole software.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    The Pi was revolutionary when it first came out, there had never been a device with its combination of small size, compute capability and low price before. But over time other devices have caught up if not exceeded the Pi's capabilities and it no longer stands out in any particular way.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    I'm not sure what kind of links you're looking for, but there are plenty of sites with the history of the Pi series available with a simple search.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (8 children)

    But over time other devices have caught up if not exceeded the Pi’s capabilities and it no longer stands out in any particular way.

    If this is true, it's great news to me, and I'd like you to show me where I can get a nice, cheap, well-supported single board computer.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Nothing is cheap any more, not even (perhaps especially) the Raspberry Pi, but there are plenty of options out there with similar specs, sizes and prices. The Raspberry offerings are no longer unique as they were when it first released.

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  • [+] -22 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Okay great. Please share examples.

    (If you don't respond or reply without examples, I'm not going to reply to it, but everyone reading this is gonna know that you're talking out of your ass.)

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    http://www.orangepi.org/

    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/autonomous-machines/embedded-systems/

    https://www.friendlyelec.com/

    https://radxa.com/

    https://pine64.org/

    https://www.hardkernel.com/

    Many people are going for Mini PCs now, which are obviously larger than the Pi, but can be found for similar prices and offer x86-64 rather than ARM as most SBCs do.

    Happy?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Do you have a preference among these? Particularly for light-weight home servers and simple networked devices like a security camera?

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I thought we all agreed two years go to let this meme die because Steven Chowder (a well-known grifter) is the guy in the photo.

    I digress; how old are you OP? Do you remember when the Pi first launched? As everyone else already pointed out, it was revolutionary for its time.

    Edit: And yes I spelled his name incorrectly on purpose; fuck him

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    It used to have its use cases and still can if you can get one cheap. I bought a 2GB Raspberry Pi 4 last year for €35. It runs Home Assistant and Pi-hole. I prefer it over leaving my media server running all day since it uses vastly less power.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Yeah nowadays they’re like $100 for even the most basic unit

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Raspberry Pi B+ on AdaFruit for $29.95

    I agree with you that it sucks that the latest gen aren't $45 anymore, but they still make and sell a $30 computer. If anyone can do better I definitely want to know.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Enterprise thin clients are cheaper and faster, though they use more power with x86/64 cpus

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Where do people buy thin clients for cheap? Ebay?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Yep. I was just looking at a (dell) wyse 3040 and wyse 5070.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    Overrated? No.
    Overpriced? Yes.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    I agree that it is overrated, but I do also think that it still has value and is legitimately pretty cool. It's nice that it's so tiny and cheap and easy to set up in like under an hour. Low power consumption for simple things that are nice to run all the time makes it feel pretty friendly on the environment versus running a whole desktop computer or server 24-7.

    Yet, like many things that are really good, there ends up being a lot of people who want to sing its praises from the heavens as being not just really good, but the greatest thing ever. And so indeed the Pi is also overrated despite being really cool

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Kinda. I'm self-hosting on a computer that, if it were a human child, would be in third grade. Didn't need to buy a Pi with worse specs to do the same job at twice the hassle.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Yep.

    Using a 2019 small form factor Dell desktop as an ESXI server running a handful of VM's: Windows, Debian, DietPi, etc. I hammer the VM's sometimes doing video conversion and everything just works.

    Best part is it consumes less than 20 watts at idle, and maxes at 80 watts. Hard to beat.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I think the original affordability with the addition ready made projects and easy accessibility made it really stand out in peoples minds.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Yes, you do wonder. Glad I could answer that for you.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I just started with my new project, a table top retro arcade machine. Using a raspi 5 is the best I can get now, even overpriced. The prices are through the roof for thin clients or mini PC so my planning shiftet to raspi again.

    If you have another suggestion I am open for it. I should be capable to run under Batocera and emulate up to Gen 6.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I'd be all about those things if you could buy 20 of them for 50 bucks.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Get a new meme format, or I'm going to continue to assume you like Steven Crowder and are, in fact, an ignorant bigoted crybaby nepo-turd.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago
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    [–] 45 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    When Raspis first came out they were genuinely a massive innovation in having small computers people could learn on or build hobby projects from very cheaply.

    Over the years this has changed as they have gotten expensive to the point of being out of this price range these days. There are cheaper alternatives.

    I still think they are pretty cool pieces of technology for what they are but probably more niche than they used to be now.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Maybe? Idk, didn't the BeagleBone boards already exist? It definitely made an impact and got more people into it, but I can see how hobbyists might think they didnt add all that much

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    They existed at 4x the price.

    I think raspberry pi really shone on the software side of things. ARM boards often tend to be a bit of ship-and-forget. RaspberryPi OS still supports the OG 14 years later, while most other distros have left 32 bit support in the dust.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    Thats a really good point on both sides. I thought you might be overstating it on the price, but I looked it up and the XM in 2010 was at $150! BeagleBone in 2011 launched at $89 and in 2013 the BeagleBone Black came out at $45 so they were definitely playing catch up on the price. Raspberry Pi OS support has also been fantastic, with a bunch of flavors still hanging around. I used to use Arch for Pi because Debian didn't have MongoDB packaged in the version I needed 😄

    EDIT: For clarity Raspberry Pi launched in 2012 at the famously cheap $35

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Personally I got into hobby electronics and self hosting stuff when I got my first raspi in high school. My first server where I learned so much was a raspi!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I've learned a lot from the pi too! I think its a great little machine, but also it looks like the BeagleBoard beat it to market by about four years, so maybe it wasn't the pi itself that was so revolutionary and more the cultural movement around it

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    for the current price, yes

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    when you gould get a decent tiny computer that is capable of real tasks for $60 it was great. $200 not so much. especially when you can get a used enterprise thin client for the same price

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Agree with the revolutionary access to simple computers for hobbyists.

    I haven't used them much myself but now that I am thinking more about automation at home I'm realizing there are much cheaper and safer (lower current) options for things I want to achieve as compared to electronic or electromechanical control systems I am familiar with from industrial settings.

    I think Raspberry Pi played a big part in creating the environment where there was a market for all this other innovation.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Esp8266/Esp32-gang-with-asneeded-add-ons riseup!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    ESP32 + Arduino + Raspi: The ultimate dustgatherer collection because they’re cheap and you realize you don’t really need em

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Wait… less memes, more info. what can I do to avoid such items? What are better options?

    Like I’m genuinely asking as a hobby tinkerer who only brushes up against this stuff with my career

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    I managed to get one second-hand from a friend who had upgraded. It was my first entry into self-hosting and running 24/7 automations, like public media archival scripts. Due to the popularity and forum support, it was pretty low-friction which allowed me to dive in easily without a mentor or excessive barriers. I had no hardware experience beyond assembling a PC from parts, so the accessibility was what gave me confidence to start.

    A mini-PC would have been far more than needed, to the point it's wasteful for this kind of work, and the better embedded options (I'm sure there are plenty, and cheaper) were just too intimidating or manual to have drawn me in.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Ancient cat at least walked into your home and killed pests

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, I gave up on Raspberry Pi when they prioritized volume commercial customers over long tail users like me that needed just one.

    The real question is "what's next?" The niche is "a single board computer for hobby or technical experimentation". So:

    • low cost
    • low power
    • as much compute as you can get for that low power
    • built-in standard peripherals, ditto above — with respect to radio you can get for that low power
    • extensible (I/O pins are nice but what's really needed is a standard bus people can build on)
    • wide support infrastructure (IDE, libraries, circuits, hats, etc.)
    • hate to say it, but "AI ready" in the hushed tones of people running 28.9M parameter Large Language Models (LLM) on an $8 microcontroller (ESP32-S3) https://github.com/slvDev/esp32-ai/tree/main to push the inference to the edge

    I'm thinking it will be RISC-V and not based on proprietary System on a Chip (SoC) technology.

    I'm keen to learn what readers think it will be.

    Change my mind.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It's cool because it draws next to no power at all.... Unless your specific use case needs to survive on a bare trickle of electricity there is no reason anyone should be buying a pi over an off-lease 1L mini-pc

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