all 3 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 2 points 1 month ago

Absolute majority or nothing

  • source
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I can't believe half still think they're better off not being in the EU.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    There is a valid argument that the EU is not a perfect system, particularly from a democratic standpoint.

    But at this point its like saying the local supermarket is bad so I have chosen to go without food for two weeks. Its just not working out how you hoped.

  • source
  • parent
  • 40 comments in c/world@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    Even the majority supporting it quickly goes away though if you tell them that they wouldn't join with their previously privileged status

    Edit: Spelling

    💯 1
  • source
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Yup. The survey should have a few simple questions:

    1. Are you willing to switch to the Euro from the Pound?
    2. Are you willing to support open freedom of movement (Schengen zone)?

    If they answer no to either of those, then they’re not really wanting to be part of the EU. They just miss the benefits from the sweetheart deal.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Not all countries in the EU has the euro, so that is a silly requirement.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    All new joiners officially has to work towards getting the Euro, I believe Sweden and Poland both have that deal. But there's plenty of ways to delay the adoption for eternity.

    There's a few member states which hasn't agreed to adopt it, but that's because they joined before it existed

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    There's a few member states which hasn't agreed to adopt it, but that's because they joined before it existed

    Yeah, like our little country, Denmark, where we just have this even worse deal of pegging our currency to the Euro. So we get none of the benefits of having the Euro, and all of the downsides of not having our own currency. Pay exchange fees every time we buy from other countries, can't manage the valuation of our currency..

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    There is one factor you're forgetting, Danish mortgage rates have been .5-1% below the eurozone. Due to the Danish currency being stronger than its valuation, ever since the debt crisis of '08.

    If we didn't have a peg, our mortgages would be a fair deal higher - As European investors considers the DKK safe to park money in

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    And in the sum of everything, does this make up for the money we all lose when making transactions into the Eurozone? From someone buying from a German webshop to Netto importing products, everyone pays an exchange fee.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Yeah, I really don't think that The Guardian is doing Labour any favors by running articles of this sort without covering that important tidbit.

    If it were off trying to convince people that the UK should rejoin, whether-or-not previous opt-outs were granted, that'd be a different story; then there's a serious, pro-EU policy end goal. If the UK is going to do a Rejoin at some point, then I expect that that's probably the public opinion bar that's going to need to be met. Probably not a bar that's going to be met overnight, so might as well start on it now.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    Half the country didn't want to leave in the first place.

  • source
  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago

    Don't take this badly but judging by what Labour is doing to anti-Genocide demonstrators, the UK nowadays is even more Fascist and authoritarian than it was back when it left the EU.

    The country is so Far-Right that even the Brexiter Tories aren't Far-Right enough for a significant fraction of its population and Reform UK emerged and has significant support

    Now that the Poles and the Hungarians have solved that specific problem in their countries, if Britain was to rejoin the EU it would be the most Far-Right and authoritarian country in it and, worse, it the weird American-style Fascism with its thick strain of hateful preachy moralism such as transphobia.

    IMHO, Britain needs to change its politics and popular mindset before it rejoins the EU.

  • source
  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    half of the UK never wanted to leave

    the groups that voted to leave are now dead/retired or moved abroad probably anyway

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    They are blaming immigrants for our problems now instead of the EU. If you stop immigration they will just move onto blaming the ones already here. Remove them and now second generation immigrants are a problem. Repeat until death camps get built.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago* (8 children)

    This assumes the European Union is open to the idea of the UK rejoining. And I'll tell you what: after all that needless drama, I don't think Europe wants to deal with the drama queen for many years to come.

    In any case, even if the UK does rejoin, it certainly won't get the special treatment Thatcher got it the first time around.

  • source
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Nobody in the EU is enjoying all the extra paperwork for shipments to and from there UK. All it is, is a head ache.

    Everyone I've spoke to, at least in Germany, is completely fine with the UK rejoining. Just under the assumption that the UK won't get special treatment.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Its a major market for goods, services and labour, and it would simply arrangements in Ireland. Its military would come in handy too.

    Negotiations would be hard, but I see a few smaller concessions around say exemption from the eurozone.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    If the EU opens exceptions for the UK it needs to open exceptions for all new members, and rewards bad behaviour.

    At most there can be a tacit agreement that the EU will ignore the UK monkeying around to not be eligible for the Eurozone like Sweden does.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Well I guess we need more countries that ppay more into the EU than they get out of it. With the dumb aggressive plans to expand the EU into the balkans (countries which for sure would get more money than they would pay into the EU), we need more economically strong countries in the EU.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    We're not rejoining the EU any time soon.

    Andy Burnham deliberately did this to distract the right wing press from his proposals to abolish the "Triple Lock" on pensions; an expensive policy that benefits older people only by guaranteeing pensions rise by the highest of average earnings, inflation or 2.5% a year. He wants to make it a "double lock" and use the savings to fund social care.

    By talking about possibly rejoining the EU (alongside other options - he effectively said he wouldn't rule out rejoining) he's managed to get the right wing eurosceptic press up in arms talking about this instead of the triple lock.

    He is not going to actually follow through on the EU because that would be a gift to reform to fight the next election on that issue. Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt Burnham does want us to rejoin the EU long term, but there is no way that is going to be a major issue in the next election. Expect any government proposals to be quietly displaced "until after the next election" as is the standard practice in UK politics to ignore a major topic.

  • source
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    cabinet ministers concerned about reopening Brexit divides are privately urging him to proceed with caution.

    I think they have a valid point here, although it may not be the point they intend. The process of getting people onboard with rejoining, and the negotiations themselves will have to be approached with caution, as screwing them up now will mean an even longer delay, and even more harm, before rejoining.

  • source
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    it’s gotta be a lot higher than half. it was just over half for the referendum. now we’ve witnessed the devastation first hand. the few idiots i know who voted to leave have all very much changed their views. is there really anyone who still thinks our economic suicide was good???

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah this won't happen; it needs to be 60% before any politician would seriously consider risking everything over a referendum on this again.

    This is just a distraction to annoy the right wing press and get them talking about Europe instead of the abolishment of the triple lock on pensions.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    a referendum on this again.

    It wouldn't be a referendum on that again. What once was is now gone for good. It could be a referendum about joining the EU, but on very different terms than the last time.

    UK won't be rejoining without switching to the Euro and joining the Schengen area. I don't see its people wanting those two things for the next two decades at least.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    is supported by almost half of all voters

    Almost

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Half of UK doesn't want to. Same as always.

    We should have defaulted back into EFTA where we came from.

  • source
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    A lot of the people who supported it are either dead or changed their mind when they realised brexit was moronic.

    I hope we do rejoin

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    almost half of all voters

    If almost half support rejoining, as in under 50%, it doesn't seem like all that many died or changed their mind.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Good thing there's an infographic in the link, the for and against are as follows.

    Topic Pro | Against

    Rejoining EU 50 | 28

    Customs union 47 | 21

    Single market 45 | 23

    Associate Membership 45 | 21

    The rest remain undecided/don't care/whatever it's politics.

    So going forward with an associate membership seems like something that'd garner support for a PM rather than abolish them. If they'd be master negotiators, they'd aim for a Swizz or Norwegian type deal.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Come back guys, we still like you.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I wonder what kind of deal Scotland would get if they joined... independently

  • source
  • 7 comments in c/unitedkingdom@feddit.uk view that post
    [–] 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Half of the UK didn't want to fucking leave in the first place.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Lots of words but the EU is probably not going to fall for it a second time.

  • source
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Labour is a dead dinosaur party chasing the fascist reform vote.

  • source
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    They should just put it in the manifesto and do it - no referendum required. After all most of the stupid old twats that voted to leave are dead now.

  • source