And a Boston globe article that had a paywall and the title wasnt as fun:
https://archive.li/Bh47J

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[–] 47 points 1 month ago (1 child)

A community meeting on 11 September was held to address the controversy, with some participants joining via Zoom to voice their opinions on the new mask mandate.

During the meeting, Jackie Matellian, the bar’s last remaining owner after the other two owners quit months earlier, became emotional while speaking about the pressure she was under.

“It was not my passion project,” Matellian said. She said she had been left responsible for a $50,000 business loan, and had been living in a car for six months while working four jobs. “I never really wanted this,” she added. “I don’t think I’m doing a very good job.”

This community meeting was not able to bring forth a resolution.

This really says more about the community than anything else.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 month ago

    Its honestly tragic that people can be this vitriolic over someone who impacted their own life so hard to provide the kind of third space that people beg for.

    Literally a group of J Jonah Jameson's.

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  • [–] 84 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Making masks optional one whole day of the week hardly seems like something that deserves a boycott, especially if the alternative is the bar going out of business.

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  • [–] 123 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Context a lot of people seem to be missing by only reading the title:

    This bar was catering to immunocompromised patrons. Not just women but women who can’t go to other public venues. This seemed to be a big part of the bar’s success.

    It would be like a board game pub not letting people play board games one night a week.

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  • [–] 112 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    But then if you actually read the article, the bar has only been open since last year and has been failing horribly, while the owner is working several jobs and lives in her car to try and keep it open. This was pretty much a last ditch effort to try and make enough money to not have to shut down and now the community members who have wanted a place like this to exist the most are getting all pissy and boycotting it. Essentially guaranteeing it's closure.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I think the mistake was trying to run a bar instead of perhaps renting an event center or something a few nights a week. You just don’t have a community large enough to sustain that kind of space, which is the endless tragedy of queer spaces that aren’t in like New York, Los Angeles or London.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago

    Considering how deep in the red the bar is that it's relying on volunteers, success might not exactly be the word. Since it's got on one remaining owner who was only in it to support two owners who've left, the bar is not going to be around much longer without a dedicated, forgiving customer base. I have seen similar establishments with much more accommodating followings close.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    This is such a niche demographic that I have to wonder how it was ever viable. From the article, it sounds like it was specifically targeted towards lesbians (not the broader LGBTQ, or LGBTQ-friendly), who are immunocompromised, and want to spend time at a bar socializing with other immunocompromised lesbians. That's going to be a vanishly small percentage of any community. I'm betting that total population in the city is what they would need to have at the bar every weekend.

    As a business model, it would probably even be a stretch to target that one day per week.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The apology post didn’t land well with their followers due to a lack of alt text. Comments included: “This is not an accessible post,” and: “It indicates the lack of care or interest in Disability intersectionality.”

    Are these people strawmen? Because they sound exactly like the kind of people chuds make fun of.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    … this sounds like classic taking an axe to your own leg scenario. I don’t think there’s that many lesbian dive bars left there for the patrons to decide to financially wreck a bar to be a good decision.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    According to the article, there are plenty in the area.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Could you quote that line of the article please? I'm not seeing it.

    Lesbian bars have sharply declined in number across the US over recent decades, making surviving venues culturally and historically significant. Queer bars often function as informal community centres as well as nightlife venues, hosting mutual-aid events, fundraisers and political organising. COVID-era safety norms have been especially prominent in some queer and disabled communities, sometimes creating friction with commercial realities, and online call-out culture can rapidly affect small hospitality businesses.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    In the Pioneer Valley, “every bar is a lesbian bar,” a friend who lives there told me.

    From the archived Boston Globe article.

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    i wondered the same. seems like that's a thing with those bars

    COVID-era safety norms have been especially prominent in some queer and disabled communities, sometimes creating friction with commercial realities, and online call-out culture can rapidly affect small hospitality businesses.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Some conventions (mainly furry ones) still require masks in their dealer halls.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago* (23 children)

    The pandemic didn't end, the numbers just got low enough that most are willing to accept the remainder. Some communities have kept making the effort to stay away from the "acceptable losses" mentality which for those most immunocompromised may be their last lifeline to any in person contact with the rest of humanity.

    So thanks for making a facetious joke I guess, but both sides of the issue in the article are real and there are no easy answers.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    There were and likely always will be diseases out there that kill people or significantly degrade their freedom in life. It's not just Corona.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Yes, it's a bit sad it took this long for enough people to reconsider if that's ok or not. You're free to continue choosing and calibrating the acceptable death rate of your actions. Just don't be surprised when others do not choose the same rate you personally consider acceptable.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Nobody is choosing a death rate. The acceptable death rate is obviously zero but live does not work that way. Come down from your high horse.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    Numbers going down to levels comparable with numerous other diseases is very much the pandemic "ending." By your logic, the Black Death never went away. Some people still die from Yersinia pestis each year.

    It's one thing to mask up in a real pandemic. It's another to advocate for a position where humanity will have to remained masked from now until the end of time.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    That is call an endemic disease. Which is where most pandemics wind up. Diseases didn't suddenly come into existence in 2020, it is myopic to think that covid is exceptional. To the immunocompromised all transmittable diseases are dangerous and there are thousands of them that are endemic. The people claiming there is still a covid pandemic are uneducated conspiracy theorist on the same level of the anti-vaxxers.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Masks don't just inhibit the spread of Covid. They caused a precipitous drop in influenza, another potentially deadly disease, during the height of the pandemic. And other respiratory diseases were diminished as well. People with compromised immune systems were ironically safer in public places than any other time in their lives. Now these spaces which continue masking provide social interaction and emotional support for them and their friends. I didn't know it was a thing but I think it's great, I hope they make enough business to continue. I mask when I'm in indoor public places because my vulnerable spouse is recovering from their second pneumonia hospitalization this year, but I'm aware masks are better at containing germs than keeping them out, which is why the group effort is more effective.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Similarly COVID doesn't just spread COVID, it weakens the immune system in ways that permanently make people more vulnerable to other illnesses and more likely to develop autoimmune disorders. Many endemic diseases like flu are still seeing higher rates of hospitalisation than before.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Im sure getting people to practice basic hygiene would also help, people are nasty.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I don't know about you but I find wearing a mask helps remind me about washing my hands before touching my face.

    I do think it could lower profits in a bar because you'd be more conscious about drinking and eating.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    If you are were a mask while not sick, you are delusional. It is hygiene theater. Unless it is a properly fitted N95 mask you are doing nothing than giving yourself false security. Having a venue specifically for the immuno-compromised is fine and all but if there are not enough of them to keep the business afloat, boycotting them wont change that. Maybe having specific events hosted at the bar would work better than expecting everyone at all times to cater to a specific demographic. Also the sorts of people that dont wash their hands and cover their mouths with their elbows while coughing dont care and infact actively try to negate the efforts of others.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Who said it's not a well-fitting N95? I don't mask for appearances. It's snug around my nose so my glasses stay clear.

    As for the bar, there's obviously a large supportive community or they wouldn't be trying to get the bar to continue the ongoing protocol, or their boycott wouldn't threaten the bar's finances. Anyone trying to negate the efforts is gonna regret angering the lesbians.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    N95's are considered the best but even a cloth mask is actually better than no mask. Don't make perfection the enemy of good.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Cloth masks protect others from you, they do next to nothing to protect you from others.

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    Cloth face masks were found to have significantly poorer filtering performance than medical/surgical masks and N95 masks, but only if non-cloth masks were properly fitted. Our results illustrate the necessity of using well-fitting medical/surgical or N95-typed masks to prevent viral spread, although some allowance should be made in circumstances where higher compliance with cloth mask mandates are expected.
    
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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    ahh.... so thats what the daily show joke was about

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Shit identity politics like this is one of the major reasons the left is so fragmented. Calling out this kind of mental illness is considered rude now. I guess we'll just have to burn it down and start over.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Why do Massachusetts lesbians wear masks in the bar?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Because it's a bar for immunocompromised women and they don't want people to die.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    So.... don't go on the mask-free night....

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    That kind of defeats the purpose of it being a safe place for immunocompromised women.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Yeah. You know what else defeats the purpose? Getting it shut down because the owner doesn't wanna be homeless anymore.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Having a mask free night isn't going to save a failing business. Having vulnerable customers get sick and die there most definitely WILL.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Right, so fuck that woman. It's her fault for trying to start a business. Let's not put a sign up telling compromised not to come in that night, let's just let it go under without trying anything, and condemn that fucking whore to the streets possibly for life, because she dared do something for the community. And don't forget to be a petulant toxic asshole so the rest of society never stops mocking you.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    And the community is allowed to say "we don't want to come to your bar any more", and that's EXACTLY what this boycott is. They aren't telling her she has to change, just that they won't be coming to her bar any more if she doesn't. People are allowed to choose not to visit a piece. And you somehow have a problem with that??? You seem to think a boycott shouldn't be allowed and that people should be FORCED to visit her bar? WTF is wrong with you?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    What the fuck do you think a sign is for? Who the fuck said anything about forcing anything on anyone? A boycott is not just choosing not to patronize a business, it's trying to rally the community to ruin a business and ruin the owner, usually because they did something evil. You advocate ruining a person because she doesn't cater exclusively to you, and only you. What the fuck is wrong with you?

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