In my 20 year career I've witnessed 1 (one) person get promoted into a tech role after holding a different position at the company.

Job opportunities for junior and intermediate software devs were not great 5 years ago and now ai killed them entirely. My previous employer not only stopped that kind of hiring but fired ~20% of the staff and told seniors to make up the difference with ai.

Companies generally like to hire from within because they can often pay below market average. Just treat those jobs as an internship, pad your resume, then start looking for better opportunities.

That works sometimes and backfires others. No shortage of companies that make the exact opposite call. "well the guy working in department A is more qualified than this outsider... but then we have to find someone to do the job in department A, an outsider lets us just replace the one piece that's missing".

I mean maybe it can work, I'm a 40 year old IT vet, every upward move I've ever made in my life involved switching companies. Bosses always tell me I'm too good at what I do for them to want me to move up.

Now maybe some do. obviously no matter what the advice we can find someone it worked for, and someone it worked against.

If that's the article I think it is, it's almost all entirely charity/NGO work, and it also excludes analysis of the current job market which could be hitting younger workers the same.

I definitely think ageism is a real factor, 100%, but pointing to a series of anecdotes inside one industry is about the worst possible way to demonstrate it.

COmpsci, is probably the worst of the stem majors, aside from physics which has higher rate of Unemployment. biotech/bio(not health) was always bad because of how limited they hire for most of the jobs.

I graduated in 2022 with an MSc ComSci and have been without a job since new year. I think my ghost rate on applications have been around 60-70%. And let's not even talk about how few job posts there are in the first place...

The few I do hear from replies "what an amazing resume! We have though decided to continue with other applicants." Number of first interviews: 1. Number of second interviews: 0. Number of applications: I lost count.

Yeah, all the tech jobs dried up where I'm at. If one pops up it is a help desk position.

When I applied to one those help desk position the hr person asked me why are you applying to a job underneath you?

I have 10 years working as a Software Engineer that did mostly ETL tasks

At work they haven't hired since 2022.

Honestly, its just a boom/bust cycle out of the pandemic. They overhired in 2021/2022. Hang in there, it'll sort itself out.

You really need to move into leadership or project management roles or do something to distinguish yourself like also studying applied math so that you can do data science. There have, for a very long time, been far too many CompSci/ComEng graduates out there. The market is saturated.

And it doesn't even have to make anyone more productive, it just has to convince leadership they can get by with less in the short term.

For the compsci industries at least, it's a productivity boost with moderate to extreme consequences in the middle to long term.

Not that that is a problem for CEO's and companies that work quarter to quarter, but it will be a problem in 5-10 years when they have no senior workers to pick up/fix the problems that LLM's introduce.

Or for the particularly dim-witted few in the short term who throw money at a problem they don't understand while ignoring the people they are paying to advise them, thinking they can remove the "unpredictable" human element.

Unless, of course, the LLM's improve so much in the runway each company has left, so as to eliminate these issues, i think it unlikely, but we'll see.

Almost like there's trend there.

gen alpha. gen z had it so easy. they could get a hit of smack for just one blowjob.

"allow me to explain this quarters earnings in interpretive dance."

I'd think plumbing, electrical might be even better. 😄

not necessarily as a major although Im not even sure you can do it as a major. Most science including computer where in LAS in my experience.

Probably depends on the location. I'm in Toronto, Canada and pre-pandemic anything that moved got a job, even without a degree. That continued till 2022-23 till the mass layoffs started. In a broadar sense however this is similar to the outsourcing wave in the late 2000s to mid 2010s. For many who graduated after 2015 it is a new experience.

I'm a senior struggling to find a job next to me right now, I haven't seen that before. I even had an interview where a recruiter told me that they were looking for "seniors with 3 years of experience." They were literally looking for seniors out of school.

The job market is fucked for everyone and I don't even know when it will be normal again, if ever. Or if I have to find another kind of job that is the opposite of what I have done for 20 years.

Computer scientists are among the most libertarian there are and will never work together in that way. They genuinely believe that, in the face of decades of layoffs, that they can do better alone.