Anytime a company gets caught spying, it's pretty safe to assume they all do it but that company was just the first to get caught.
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How to tell if something is possibly spying on you:
- Can it connect to the internet?
- Is the firmware/software controlled by a corporation?
- Does it have sensors capable of surveillance, like a microphone or camera?
I'm concerned you may not even need to connect it to the internet. It may be enough for a neighbor to leave their WiFi unsecured. The TV may very well watch for one and use it to upload.
So what i'm hearing is I should spin up an open ssid and black hole the traffic
I mean it won't hurt. I don't think there's any evidence they do it, though, and if they did, they'd probably try every network they could until they found a way out.
Put a drill to the wifi chip – it's the only way to be sure.™
It can be even worse than that. It can use other TVs in the neighborhood that are connected to the internet and just proxy it through them. It’s called a mesh network.
Is there evidence of that? Or is this also like saying an unconnected TV might be slipped the WiFi password by a connected dishwasher through a series of ultrasonic beeps? Sure, not impossible, but also not likely in every home.
I recall seeing an article about it a while ago but I couldn’t find anything via a google search so I guess take it with a big grain of salt.
Right. So, I'm a privacy advocate, and there's a looooooot of conspiracy theory stuff like this out there. Yes, there are real versions of this, but companies are also notoriously cheap. There's a point of diminishing returns on how many components they're going to slap on a board in hopes of netting data on 1000 more users. Something that costs 2 cents more per board will go into millions of devices and cost hundreds of thousands over a production run... To net $30,000 of data? Experiments usually fizzle based on that math. They're very often glad to have the fools that connect the TV themselves, which is an increasing proportion of consumers, I think about 65%+ of them last I checked. They're already eating well without getting overly silly and crazy about how these things work.
Bro you're researching privacy with Google wyd
May be. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a case of that happening, because I've been unable to find one.
Cellular modems are getting cheaper. Maybe in a few years they're looking for Meshtastic nodes.
Wdym by unsecured? No password?
Solid article. Definitely recommend the read.
Here’s the video by Gamers Nexus the article is talking about. It’s 2 hours and 15 minutes long.

Oh shit I accidentally clicked accept on the terms for voice and I'm incredibly inebriated.
This is why I thought the "talk to your TV remote" things were all garbage...Involving a fucking microphone and a speech to text algorithm and potentially cloud bullshit just to fucking change a channel? Change the volume level? STUPID. It's much worse than just pressing a fucking button and having the volume / channel change immediately, as well as a needless sacrifice of what little remains of your privacy.
I don't get it with smart switches / smart fans and shit either. Like a light switch already works completely fine guys. I don't know why we need to be able to talk to this shit.
Personally I have a smart litter box triggering an exhaust fan for 10 minutes every time it cycles.
My A/C turns off if you leave the patio door open for a couple minutes.
I have a light upstairs that I turn red when I'm in an important meeting, like an On Air button.
The foyer light turns on when you open the front door at night.
There are useful things to be done, and most of my info doesn't leave the house.
None of these use cases require modern "smart" things.
Sure, you can tie a string to one end, and, uh...
Sensors, timers, and other tons of non-ip networked solutions exist. I have lights that automatically turn on with bulb sensors and it does not require that they be IP networked with each other. Your red light could be wirelessly triggered on a lamp in another room if you wanted without IP networked devices. Many of the "dumb", working solutions for these problems are cheaper and less complicated than using their networked equivalents.
I have motion sensing, magnetically attached wireless lights that turn on when I go down the stairs. I even have things that can use a single light switch to trigger multiple lamps without rewiring that required zero IP networking.
There are wireless light switches that have no battery because the switch sends a signal using the power from the force exerted on it. There are many types of automation that do not require IP networks.
Link to these devices? Sounds neat
Main one (which is a little pricey) is the switcheroo. Comes with a lifetime warranty: https://www.switcheroo.com/
I was thinking of the RunLessWire ones with the switch with no battery required, but it looks like they got sold to Philips. Nowadays it looks like several brands make a similar item: https://www.amazon.com/Self-Powered-Required-Wireless-Receiver-Lighting/dp/B0BRPKLL1Y
These are the stair lights I have: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DZ4SQNZ.
There are a whole lot of wireless outlet / light switch kits at low prices if you're looking to have a lamp somewhere a distance from the switch source.
I like to be able to turn the fan/AC/heat on and off without getting out of bed, or when I'm on my way home.
Right now they're all just on isolated smart plugs, but if I was to set up more then I'd use homeassistant or something.
Typing on a TV remote is a miserable experience but we've already solved that problem just put a damn keyboard on the remote already
Matter over Thread with Home Assistant is the smarthome tech I'd recommend.
With that setup it all stays local. You can even block everything from the internet, unless you want to do an update.
It will work with Google/Apple/Alexa, but of course as soon as you do that... well, that's the point of running Home Assistant instead.
There are smart switches and fans and other switchable devices that are controlled through schedule and manual BT switches and ir sensors - rather than voice. I can use voice to control things but I prefer the lights to match my day without my interactions being necessary.
Some applications make more sense to me than others. I haven't fully dipped into the bluetooth controlled stuff, but I have used other various wireless solutions for things. Funny enough, I've been thinking about adding a wireless power switch to my TV so that I know it isn't snooping on me when it's off. Can't snoop on me if you don't have any power.
people are stupid and lazy. that's it. they want the easiest way to do anything because their 'time is valuable' apparently... like cooking... people use Uber for some dumb ass reason, then wonder why they are always broke. but ya know... they saved 30 minutes which was wasted doing fuckall but doom scrolling shitty websites
Need to put them in a faraday cage.
In fact, maybe your entire house should be a faraday cage
My Samsung tv literally phones home and Netflix 24/7 even when it is off. My “Sniffet” app screams with nothing but Samsung and Netflix garbage URLs. So does my pi-hole. It’s insane how any of this is actually even legal.
FYI the default blocklist included with PiHole does not block smart TVs. Strongly recommend Perflyst SmartTV List:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Perflyst/PiHoleBlocklist/master/SmartTV.txt
Can they be rooted? I'm honestly about to throw them out.
I know LG TVs can rooted, but I don’t know about Samsung. It actually won’t matter anymore until the government legislates something to make this shit illegal. All of this actually go against the 4th amendment in the US. I that LG has been talking about putting a little modem in their displays that gets its internet from the whole neighborhood’s routers after some deals with AT&T (I think). So then disconnecting the tv from your home network won’t matter.
Doesn't the fourth amendment apply to the government, much like the first?
The fourth amendment only binds the government, not private individuals or companies.
True, but how many of these companies don’t actually give that data to the government?
Well that's the loophole in the Fourth Amendment, as long as anyone gives the data willingly the government is off the hook, even if the person who gave it stole it illegally. As long as the govt didn't force someone to without due process, they're in the clear.
I was thinking of taking the Wi-Fi board out entirely
See the same on my pi-hole. Chromecast is especially evil.
They can get around your Pi Hole with DNS over HTTPS these days. I don't have one. Do you find yours still works well?
I've censored so much traffic that it has issues with certain things. If there wasn't a price crisis I had planned to build my own Android TV box with an old Intel NUC or such but not at these prices. I've not looked into anything about DNS over https. I am behind a VPN at the router though not sure if that helps.
I once tried to connect my Galaxy phone to my Samsung TV that is not connected to the local network. And the phone not only connected via bluetooth to share the video I was trying to project, it also silently passed my wifi credentials from the phone to the TV and connected itself to the internet.
Got rid of the Samsung phone soon after, and I won’t buy another Samsung TV either when this one dies.
Oh the irony

What the fuck is with all this new jargon: pixels instead of tracking-pixels? Pixel technology! You mean loading of a image with a resolution of 1x1. What technology?
Samsung Privacy. Download or Delete your data and opt out for all Samsung apps and Services.
My request is processing for the last 6 hours....
These 'options' fundamentally don't work. Even if they were in good-faith one of their partners will still collect and transmit data you've generated. The whole industry is built on a no-consent model: it's software; people can't see or hear what software is doing; keep it in the background. Any attempt to revoke consent in a no-consent industry is futile. What's not futile is taking control of your computers and not running their proprietary spyware software in the first place.
It prompts you to accept all cookies, with no options. Ironic.
Want to delete my data... log in to my account to do it... phone number required before allowing me access to delete my data 😑
I guess it goes the slow way too by sending them an email with your info and that you dont have any number or email access, requesting them to delete everything.
In EU they are obliged to respond and do it (don't know the timeframe), or you can sue.
Sigh... it never ends.
All people had to do was say no to "smart tvs" But "Android pretty" I'm not innocent because I have a Bluray player with apps, but it does require an Ethernet cord so that's helpful.
Oh that's all? Really? Have you tried to buy a "Not Smart" TV lately? Not exactly any options that are branded as TVs. I tried. I would have had to sacrifice quality and pay more for the privilege to buy a device intended to be used to display mostly static images as a menu board not be great at playing movies and high FPS video games. As a consumer, I was never really get a choice or a vote in this smart TV switchover decision.
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