I’ve just published my time with the Anbernic RG DS Plus, the bulk of this is the usual review things, but of some note was that I got to chat directly with Anbernic about the device and their take on it: why they revisited the original RG DS, the new NNDDSS emulator and some of the design decisions behind the Plus.

The RG DS Plus itself is Anbernic's second iteration of making a NDS-focused retro handheld. I love this one so much.

I also spoke with the devs behind Cocoon, who are working on bringing Cocoon (a super 3DS-ish front-end/launcher for dual screen handhelds) to the RG DS Plus very soon. Just a bit of a chance to look a little beyond the hardware itself and at what this could mean for dual-screen Linux handhelds going forward, Cocoon for the DS Plus isn't far off now (they're moving from being Android-only to both Android and Linux!)

If you’re interested in the RG DS Plus, DS emulation or where these weird little dual-screen handhelds are heading, you might like this one!

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[+] 19 points 1 month ago (5 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Interesting concern, I hadn't considered that! A lot of games expected you to use the stylus, can't imagine pressing tiny buttons without it

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  • [+] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    And ones that rely on a resistive touchscreen, like the bit in Hotel Dusk where you have to flick both breaker switches at the same time.

    I doubt a "mushy" stylus would be a great experience for quickly answering math problems in Brain Age, or… doing basically anything in either of the two Zelda games. 😅

    I know a lot of people with dual-screen handhelds use styluses (styli?) with a disc tip:

    Which I guess would at least help with the friction. 🤔 I wonder if someone will make one that can fit into the slot on the Anbernic.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Thoughts on the pen's quality? It looks a bit thick and flimsy from the pictures but I'm interested in hearing from someone who tried it. Also, is the thick tip accurate enough for DS games?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 month ago

    It works fine for me!

    The original RG DS had a double ended stylus, with a cap over the flat circular...thing for the more detailed games which might requite it. But that's the nature of modern screens: capacitive VS resistive.

    The new DS Plus' stylus is a thinner point on it, it is actually far better. Smaller and 'pointier' than others you might be used to, but naturally this is just the nature of the screen and the tech, it might be a huge dealbreaker for some, but no game I've played with it has left me wanting so far.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Nintendo DS I think have more stylus heavy games than the 3DS, and the DSi is still pretty reasonable in price. So I think getting a DSi is worth it. And seems to go around the price of a new triple A title and is easy to mod. There's open source flash carts like the DSpico available, and a DS Pico with IR and PicoWalker said to be coming out too so you don't have to get the official pokewalker and Pokemon cartridge. Those Pokemon cartridges are insane in value so it'll be nice when the DSPico IR version is available for those wanting to utilize pokewalker with it.

    If you are just playing Pokemon than stylus responsiveness doesn't matter much, but if you are planning to play stylus heavy games then I think the actual DS is the route to go. DSi XL has the best screen among the DS line with it being dual IPS.

    3DS can play 3DS and DS games, but those are like double to triple the price.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Can somebody tell me personally if handheld consoles like this worth the buck for someone who mainly plays on PC? I have some portable consoles but they are too fucking big to move around, even the Nintendo Switch OLED doesn't fit in your pocket, but I remember that the Nintendo DS/3DS was a beast, should I buy it?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I can't speak to this model specifically, haven't tried it, but my impression is that if you are specifically looking to play DS/3DS games, original hardware is still the best way to go, especially since they're so easily moddable.

    If you're looking to emulate other platforms though, there are quite a lot of great pocketable devices on the market. I bought a Miyoo Mini Plus three years ago and joked that I liked it so much I wish I'd bought a more expensive model with analog sticks.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago

    The problem with original hardware (I collect it obsessively!) is that the age is starting to work against it. Screens yellow and condition gets worse. The cost of original units is skyrocketing too (esp the 'New' Nintendo 3DS and 3DS XL line, the price on those is obscene!)

    The benefits of save states, upscaling (upscaling something like Zelda on my AYN Thor by 5x is crazy), it is just hard to argue against. That said though, emulation of 3DS specifically isn't 100% there yet, it has a long way to go. DS emulation though is perfect!

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This is a deceptively 'easy' one to answer.

    I spent a few years exclusively covering the Steam Deck. It was my travel handheld until I got into retro handhelds (and then since then...reviewing them!). Carrying something like this around is a breeze. While it is bigger than the original RG DS, it is inherently portable (and protects its own screens by design, too!)

    The question is what kind of systems you want to emulate? DS & 3DS? PS2/Game Cube and below? Switch?

    I really, really love this DS Plus, it feels 'right' to me, it really is like if Nintendo took another swing at these. I'm testing some custom firmware for it now, called GammaOS (he just released it a day or so back, and has updated it thrice since then!), so you've got options. If you want to ask me anything about any retro handheld though, I'm on Discord with a username of perfecteddark if you need any advice!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm really interested especially because I really loved the Nintendo DS era, I'm fine emulating from DS backwards (some Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo would be nice too), does it fit in your pocket like your phone? I think that's basically my main goal, to be able to walk somewhere and start playing like the ol' DSi, because you can't do that with current mainstream portable consoles nowadays :(

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I love my DSi XL and it is actually pocketable and the dual IPS screen looks nice. I have a 3DS too but I use my DSi to play DS games, since it looks blurry on the 3DS.

    I like stylus heavy games like The World Ends with You, Elite Beat Agent, Under the Knife, so I'm going to need the stylus to at least match the quality of the apple pencil or spen and have a pointy end before I consider replacing the original hardware for an emulation device.

    Open source flash carts like the dspico are available too now, but not necessary with sd card all that is being needed to play on the DS after jailbreaking it.

    DS isn't too expensive with it being around the price of a new triple A title, but the 3DS has shot up in price. I haven't touched my switch in over a year but play with my ds or 3ds on a weekly basis.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    No second joystick to emulate the circlepad pro? Wild to me they removed a feature from their origonal model, that fixed the only big fault with the legit nintendo.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago

    This is directly on the market to emulate original Nintendo DS games. You can tell by the matching 4x integer screens (that's the biggest giveaway - big screen smaller bottom? 3DS! Matching size? NDS!)

    While some 3DS games are emulateable, the second thumbstick is quite useless on this one when it comes to Nintendo handhelds. I love that they took it out, and haven't missed it once!

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    [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm super tempted to buy this but I know it wouldn't get used enough to justify purchasing.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 month ago

    Super understandable!

    At least it occupies the lower end of the retro handheld price bracket. Some of the handhelds I've reviewed have been worth a stunning amount, I just love how the lower end with a niche laser focused specific purpose like this one can be a more approachable price. You could wait for the 11/11 sales coming up soonish on Aliexpress, they're famously pretty good for discounted prices :)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Thanks for this. Does the system use the exact same physical gap between screens? I know some games do fake a continuous play area and were designed for the exact dimensions of the DS including screen gap.

    That is always the litmus test for me, if those games naturally show the backgrounds and sprites scrolling between screens in a way that accommodates the exact same gap.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I'm not entirely sure if it is the exactly same gap size, but the screens do match with the action. The best example is Sonic (Rush, I think it is called?). The action matches sync on both screens, there's no Hz misalignment as we saw on the RG DS back last year before release (and the patch which fixed it!)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Cool, thanks! Have you tried Contra 4? With the bullets and enemies between screens, that may be the hardest challenge for a DS system.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I can test it for you! Let me get back to you on that (just making a coffee right now!)

    They had it already on the pre-loaded ROM list with the micro SD card, so I'll take a pic or two (if that translates well), and let you know.

    Quick Edit:

    Works perfectly. All the bullets coming from the bottom rise through both screens on the proper angles, there's no slowdown that I can see. It matches perfectly. This really isn't something I can photograph since it all moves so quick, but I'll try my best and update this again with some pictures. That said, not one issue. Perfection!

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I’ve just published my time with the Anbernic RG DS Plus, the bulk of this is the usual review things, but of some note was that I got to chat directly with Anbernic about the device and their take on it: why they revisited the original RG DS, the new NNDDSS emulator and some of the design decisions behind the Plus.

    The RG DS Plus itself is Anbernic's second iteration of making a NDS-focused retro handheld, a modern take on being able to emulate all of the original DS games. I love this one so much.

    I also spoke with the devs behind Cocoon, who are working on bringing Cocoon (a super 3DS-ish front-end/launcher for dual screen handhelds) to the RG DS Plus very soon. Just a bit of a chance to look a little beyond the hardware itself and at what this could mean for dual-screen Linux handhelds going forward, Cocoon for the DS Plus isn't far off now (they're moving from being Android-only to both Android and Linux!)

    If you’re interested in the RG DS Plus, DS emulation or where these weird little dual-screen handhelds are heading, you might like this one!___

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I ordered one. Looks real sweet

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Just wanted to say thank you for the blog post. It was quite interesting to read.

    And it being on your own blog instead of reddit is a nice fresh breeze.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    For me to pick this over just using a ds with a flashcart, it needs retroachievement support

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Any insight on how it compares to the ayntec Thor?

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    They're super different handhelds, despite being ostensibly the same thing!

    I have two of the Thors from AYN. One is the Thor Pro they sent me back before release to review, the other is the low-end entry model, the Thor Lite. And to me they perfectly nail the 3DS requirements. Obviously you can run DS games to your heart's content as well, even the Lite model has more than enough power to run them.

    The DS Plus has the advantage of two screens matching size (the original DS had the same size top and bottom screen), and the resolution is exactly 4x that original size. So (this isn't upscaling), what you get is 4x 'integer scaling'. It will present the pixels perfectly!

    The Thor Pro will run anything from Switch to the WiiU, PS3, PC game emulation, 3DS upscaled like you wouldn't believe. But it is designed to be wonderful at everything, and has a price to match that. The DS Plus is super affordable and perfect with DS games. The included stylus you store in the body is the icing on the cake to me!

    Power? Upscaling? Emulating any and all systems? AYN's Thor. DS? Older low performance systems like PSX, GBA, SNES and so on? DS Plus.

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    [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Please God almighty, make someone recreate the 3DS screen.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I loved my DS lite, and this looks like a nice premium version of it. But I refuse to sink any more money into these cheap retro handhelds.

    I've had 3 Anbernic devices, and 1 powkiddy. Only have one left working. The powkiddy v90 stopped working (can't figure that one out), and two of the Anbernics got inflated batteries.

    As much care as I tried to take with having the right usb cord, the right amperage charger, Only charge it when I can have it sitting next to me to check in it, never unattended or over night.. I do love these things but they need some sort of proper battery management hardware or something.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago

    Really interesting that you've got issues! I've got...far more than I care to admit (since I review them though, that's a handy excuse!) and I haven't had any issues with the batteries or any system failures. I'm sorry to hear you do!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    So i just bought an RG DS a few months ago and i love it. The battery life sucks, but it's dual screen, that is to be expected. This Plus version has the exact same chip and just a slight redesign to integrate the stylus and have nicer screens. So i have no reason to upgrade, but i can see why this would be the better option between the 2 considering they are the same price.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    How is 3ds performance? That kept me of the last rg ds

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 month ago

    This isn't build for the 3DS. It is marketing specifically as a DS handheld, and with good reason. The screens matching in size give it away (both the same size = DS! Large top, small bottom = 3DS!). While it runs some, they're not ideal on here.

    You'd be better looking at AYN's Thor or Retroid's Duo (coming up soon)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    It's still early days with the dual screen handhelds so I'm not going to bother getting one myself for a while yet. I was very tempted to buy the original RGDS but instead it inspired me to hack my kids 2DS's instead and buy a DSpico :D

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I really want one. It's a little cheaper than the original RG DS, has larger screens, ships with Linux OOTB (and sacrifices the memory needed by Android, which never ran well to begin with), has an integrated stylus, and comes in pink too! (I'd rather have a lilac, but you take what you get)

    The only thing I'm waiting on is Rocknix support. It looks like the new NNDDSS still needs a bit of work too (can you change it to Drastic in stock firmware?). GammaOS Nano is also able to run on this apparently, which is pretty exciting. Will definitely wait for CFW, since Anbernic's stock OS is never all that great.

    If I do get one, this would be my first dedicated handheld (I've mostly used my laptop and phone for it right now), and I'm eyeing a dual-screen option since it will fulfill a use case that neither device does very well. The candy bar devices are all excellent, but they're essentially smartphones with a controller attached to them (smaller ones, but an extra device that fulfills a similar function nonetheless)

    I think the RG DS is better if you want a smaller device that can do more RAM intensive stuff (like Android or PortMaster), or perhaps you just like Turquoise or the Red/Black dualtone over the Deep Blue or Pink (white is present on both), but for me, I would take the Plus any day.

    I am moving to Piefed at scallisto@retrofed.com (https://retrofed.com/u/scallisto)

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    another reviewer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIJwoj87qnE

    I like these sort of things.

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