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[–] 138 points 2 months ago

Fuck this 10 year old game and it's 200 linux players specifically.

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  • [–] 75 points 2 months ago

    Pff, do it. Fuck Ubisoft.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago

    Nobody is going to switch back to windows just to play their game

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ubisoft just keeps shitting on its baguettes, and the Guillemot brothers think it's a good thing.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago

    they should fuck off from steam then, sell their shit on their own store.

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  • [–] 71 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Direct link to announcement instead of low effort spam blog: https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/for-honor/news-updates/4WKJhG6v6C9sbCOZkFZ6wG/ranked-faq

    Relevant part:

    Competitive Update

    Warriors, we are happy to announce that For Honor’s competitive experience is leveling up with the launch of Ranked Dominion and the rework of Ranked Duel.

    The chance to prove yourself on a global level is here!

    To reinforce a fair competitive environment, the team is introducing additional player safety measures. We are removing For Honor from the Linux platform to ensure a safer environment for our players as we cannot meaningfully deploy protection on this platform. This means that For Honor will no longer be playable on Steam Deck starting September 10th. We will continue to investigate different ways to improve our anti-cheat with the possibility of reopening the platform in the future.

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  • [–] 110 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Their announcement rubs me the wrong way. It reads as though Linux is the problem. They’re doing Linux “to ensure a safer environment” and to “reinforce a fair competitive environment”

    Implying Linux is unsafe, unfair, and anticompetitive (i.e. promotes cheating).

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  • [–] 67 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    They act as if any kernel level anti-cheat even stops a fraction of cheaters. Windows is just as unsafe and unfair in this regard. And it's not like the already pretty small player base is majorily on Linux.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, they just want to keep installing fucking viruses on our devices and since they can't, they throw a huge tantrum.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I wonder how much more analytics they have access to with them because I doubt they have the intention of infecting customers with actual viruses and I can't think of any other reason they would have such a big boner for them other than harvesting more data to sell.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    When I say "viruses" I refer to the anti-cheats themselves. Like, exactly because of what you said: they live at kernel-level (sometimes even at a lower level, like Vanguard), so they can literally see anything you do (and everything you don't), and everything you have (and everything you don't) and exfiltrate all that data without your knowledge, much less your consent, and if that's not a virus (more specifically, a rootkit), then I don't want to know what's an actual virus...

    C'mon, they can even brick your PC, as it's demonstrated that for example Vanguard does:

    Independent research & analysis on Riot Vanguard / kernel-level anti-cheat:

    1. Dorner & Klausner (2024) — "If It Looks Like a Rootkit and Deceives Like a Rootkit: A Critical Examination of Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Systems" (peer-reviewed, ACM ARES 2024)

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2408.00500

    PDF: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2408.00500

    1. gmh5225 — Reverse engineering of vgk.sys (Vanguard kernel driver): IAT hooks, fake page tables, anti-debug, MSR manipulation, syscall interception

    https://gist.github.com/gmh5225/2b430b6025c8888196dd95c8557bfc6f

    1. Archie OSU (2025) — Vanguard dispatch table hook analysis

    https://archie-osu.github.io/2025/04/11/vanguard-research.html

    1. Systematic Review (Dec 2025) — "A Systematic Review of Technical Defenses Against Software-Based Cheating in Online Multiplayer Games"

    https://arxiv.org/html/2512.21377v1

    1. Quarkslab (2025) — CVE-2025-8061 Part 1: Lenovo LnvMSRIO.sys exposes arbitrary physical memory R/W and MSR R/W to any local process

    https://blog.quarkslab.com/exploiting-lenovo-driver-cve-2025-8061.html

    1. Quarkslab (2025) — CVE-2025-8061 Part 2: Building a kernel rootkit from the same primitives

    https://blog.quarkslab.com/exploiting-lenovo-driver-cve-2025-8061_part2.html

    1. zonifer.dev (2026) — gdrv3.sys: Signed Gigabyte kernel driver with 13 unauthenticated hardware access primitives (physical memory R/W, MSR R/W, kernel memcpy, raw IO)

    https://zonifer.dev/posts/byovd-kernel-driver-hardware-primitives.html

    1. Check Point Research (Aug 2026) — "BTR Reforged": Microsoft's own signed BTR.sys driver weaponized as a universal kernel operation engine (no vulnerability required)

    https://research.checkpoint.com/2026/btr-reforged-weaponizing-defenders-remediation-driver-as-a-kernel-operation-primitive/

    1. Shattered.io (2026) — Comprehensive overview: the DMA "bricking" incident, the four UEFI CVEs, Kunal Ganglani's statement on unaudited kernel drivers, and the Genshin Impact mhyprot2.sys BYOVD precedent

    https://shattered.io/vanguard-anti-cheat-2026/

    1. Wikipedia: Kernel-level anti-cheat (references the Dorner & Klausner paper)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-level_anti-cheat

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    So then they should be forced to pull the game from Steam. Don't sell your shit to a platform promoting Linux if you're going to exclude it's player base (any of itplayer base).

    That and they should be forced to give refunds (not Valve, Ubisoft).

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    That's a shame, I liked that game.

    Anyway..

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago*

    I don't like to buy from corporations that don't want to support Linux for some Shitty excuse. (and don't let you [deliberately] run apps in Wine or Proton) Deliberately am talking about something that uses deep windows integrations that It can't run, also I don't like games that deploy kernel-level "anticheat"

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago*

    Avoid Ubisoft games. Got it! Oh, wait. I have already done so for many years.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Reading the announcement, it sounds like a bullshit excuse. I’m pretty sure they got paid to remove Linux as a platform. Microsoft losing stranglehold on gaming market and scared.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I promise you that's not a thing. Microsoft stopped caring about windows. Until very recently it was mostly abandoned and used as a test bed. Focus is always on azure.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    I know at one point they were strong arming developers to only use direct x via contract. I wouldn’t put it past them. They also just got a new head of Xbox/gaming divison which means they at least have a stake in gaming, even if a small one.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Never played this game, but f*ck off Ubisoft!

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Real shame, wanted to play this game with a friend (but still haven't played it so I probably will get a refund). Fuck Ubisoft

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    Ubisoft appears to have been slowly pulling out of the gaming industry, making the play that people want to play their stuff enough to buy a dedicated computer to play it.

    If the game can't run outside of Windows, even an emulated Windows environment, it may as well not exist. Which sucks because I remember some people telling me this one was good like a decade ago or so...

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Only on September 10th? Or after that as well?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Bye Felicia

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    I’ve just started making Ubisoft logo when I saw this post. Coincidence?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Disappointing, it was a good game with some great ideas and the fact that it's still even alive is baffling.

    I think I'll request a refund.

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    [–] 65 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It really seems like valve should have a policy that if your game drops support for a platform you have to offer a refund

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    Even if it's past the "no questions asked" refund policy of 2 hours or 14 days, nothing stops people from requesting one. Valve's support is generally pretty good, so they might even grant it for cases like this.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    If you have already played the game beyond the refund window then it is considered that you already got the value from the game. I can see why they don’t do this.

    THAT BEING SAID: you should remember that Ubisoft did this and be sure never to give them any of your money again. Ubisoft is run by fascist bullies who do not respect you and do not honor their commitments. Why the fuck should anyone ever do business with them again? Their games aren’t THAT good.

    And this should be a lesson to ANY company that does this, not just gaming.

    Society is currently capitalist, for better or worse. Your wallet is the only vote you have.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Ubishit back at it again lmao

    Dont buy ubisoft games, its been clear for a while that they hate consumers

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago* (10 children)

    As if people needed yet another reason not to play Ubisoft's modern trash.

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    as someone who used to play FH, i can confidently tell you that 2017 For Honor and 2026 For Honor are two different games with two different audiences

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I played for honor about 2019.

    Care to elaborate?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    after they dropped Wu Lin (chinese characters) and then Vortiger, the quality of animations for new characters started to drop little by little. Then they dropped CCU (aka core combat update), it's goal was to establish the "attacking" meta, which, translating from community manager speak, means that they intentionally sped up lots of attack animations, narrowing the parry windows, making them look ridiculous, and in some cases making some of them practically impossible to react to. In modern FH you can win by basically button-mashing your opponent to death.

    Also, since then they have added lots of characters that either look out of place thematically, or have some kind of cancerous abilities, or both in some cases. I'm not an expert on the matter of modern For Honor, since i left when CCU dropped.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Shame. I think there's certainly a genre to be cut out of it. I remember having a lot of fun with orochi

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    A lot of gamers consider anything after Assassin's Creed: Black Flag (2014 or so) to be all garbage as the company enshittified.

    I've not played anything Ubisoft since before that so I dunno if true, but yes, by their standards it's modern Ubisoft, not classic Ubisoft

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    2017-2018 was peak purely technologically speaking. AC Unity, despite the rough launch, in terms of pure graphics still could rival modern slop, while requiring only a fraction of compute power, while rendering huge crowds and on top of all of that featuring a motion-matching system, making animations fluid and clean af. For Honor was the first game where they used motion matching, while also offering interesting combat mechanics.

    Say all you want, but during those years there still were talented and creative people at Ubisoft.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Okay now if i bought that game on steam to play on linux, would i get a refund?

    i have a similar problem with titan quest. they discontinued the linux version and now i have a game i cant play.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Unless the developers voluntarily give out refunds (see Rust), don't expect Valve to step in unless a given individual meets the general refund policy requirements.

    There have historically been numerous cases of developers selectively dropping support for certain platforms (officially and now much more unofficially by just blocking Proton rather having a native release to begin with). Some developers willingly gave refunds to users that played the once-supported games on said platforms. Other times, they have not; and I do not know of a single case in which Valve stepped in when developers/publishers refused/ignored.

    If there is some consumer-protection law in your jurisdiction that would apply to licensed access to media, then you may have recourse that way. Otherwise, anyone seeking a refund is unlikely to get one.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago

    It's about surveillance not safety. Neglecting to include any detail in the article about what features of EAC they can't enable while including Linux platforms does a serious disservice to the reader.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    After the intentional moves Ubisoft made to distance Siege from Linux I am not at all surprised. They do not want us and have made this patently clear. Fuck 'em.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Please just block Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Bethesda from showing up on the store (there is a setting in steam).

    These ghouls do not give a fuck about our hobby. Yes you will need to skip games, yes that will at times be harder than others, but it must be done. Support indie devs; they've been making better games for about a decade anyway.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Please just block Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Bethesda from showing up on the store (there is a setting in steam).

    Did not know about this, thanks.

    For anyone else interested, go to the dev/publisher Steam "homepage" and click the gear to ignore the creator.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    My latest Ubisoft game was some Anno edition from 2010, that I still own since I got in on GOG.

    Since then, only indies for me and I'm very happy about it.

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