Are we eating enough plastic already?

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[–] 105 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (19 children)

Before the yeast can start feasting, the PET plastics are subjected to a process called oxidative hydrothermal dissolution to break them down into smaller bits that the microbes can digest.

Sensationalism aside, this could actually be a big deal. We use a lot of PET (polyethylene). Plastic drink bottles, plastic bags, plastic wrap, tape, fabrics, even some car parts. PET is a huge market segment of consumer products that are difficult to replace with environmentally friendly alternatives.

If we can boil it and then feed it to a vat of yeast to break down, that would be fantastic. Even better, it could remove some of the difficulty of plastic sorting which is a major part of the recycling problem. Basically, if you dump some plastic into the vat that the yeast can't eat, well it just won't eat it, so just sift it out of the vat later for a different disposal process, no big deal.

Even if humans can't directly consume the byproduct, I'm sure we can use it for something else.

My biggest question is how long this takes, which they don't address in the article. How long do you have to boil the material (how much energy, how much water, how much oxygen, how big a facility to process X volume of waste), and how long does it take the yeast to break it down? If it can be done in hours or days that's well worth spending some resources to build a processing center. If it takes months or years it will require more planning and analysis.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    My biggest question is how long this takes, which they don't address in the article. How long do you have to boil the material (how much energy, how much water, how much oxygen, how big a facility to process X volume of waste), and how long does it take the yeast to break it down? If it can be done in hours or days that's well worth spending some resources to build a processing center. If it takes months or years it will require more planning and analysis.

    They don't put in a direct answer, but there is an indirect one: $60 per kilo. That needs to come down A LOT before there is a real future for this. I heard of projects that try and turn plastics into fuels. Sooner or later somebody will figure it out.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    Yes, I'm assuming that this is being done in a lab environment without purpose-built equipment, and also that developing the specialized yeast strain was part of the cost.

    Assuming that the genetic change is stable and that the yeast is self-propagating like normal yeast, then engineering the rest of it into an assembly line shouldn't be too difficult and should bring the cost down by orders of magnitude.

    Plus, if we can turn the output hydrocarbons into a viable market product then the recycler can offset the operating cost, which would make this even more interesting. Right now plastic recycling is just losses.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Assuming that the genetic change is stable and that the yeast is self-propagating like normal yeast, then…

    …we will have to stop using so much plastic, because it won’t be reliable shelf stable packaging one the yeast that eats it is loose.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Possibly, but:

    Before the yeast can start feasting, the PET plastics are subjected to a process called oxidative hydrothermal dissolution to break them down into smaller bits that the microbes can digest.

    "Oxidative hydrothermal dissolution" - basically they boil the plastic and oxidize it, I think at the same time. Maybe hydrogen peroxide + water? Essentially this is kind of an accelerated aging.

    Anyway, the yeast can't eat the plastic without some processing first, which is probably good because it means existing plastic packages won't just start falling apart. On the other hand if this does get loose, it might be able to eat any PET litter that has started breaking down in the environment due to exposure to sun, rain, ocean water, etc. The absolute easiest waste for this to eat would be any PET that has broken down into microplastic particles and ended up in soil or water, which would be kind of an ideal situation.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Evolution finds a way.

    But seriously I thought the article implied the oxidation process just made the particle smaller so they’d have more surface area and get consumed quicker. Even if it’s slow, won’t the yeast that have a taste for PET still want to grow on it, like they do with bread.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    $60 per kilo

    That's not bad for a prototype! With lab-growth meat, the initial cost was $2.3 million / kg. It's come down since then because of process and scale improvements, but when it starts off that high, it's going to be a while for it to become affordable.

    A quick non-AI figure is $0.60 per kilo to recycle plastic... so we just need improvement by a factor of 100 which is quite realistic.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Introducing picoplastics to a cookie near you (hopefully not)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Aren’t they just hydrocarbons at some point?

    Like burnt toast?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Burnt toast doesn't accumulate in the body

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    These "food cookies" could be used as compost or animal feed no? Just transforming it into something that can return to nature is really cool.

    Also opens up the door to possibly finding a way to remove microplastics from people or animals. If it was possible to safely get those yeast into people, would break them down.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    Absolutely. Nothing can break down those polymers naturally, so just getting that process started makes a big difference. The very worst case is that the output material ends up in landfill - if it's just a sugar molecule at that point, it will break down relatively quickly. Way, way better than letting the plastic break down in the environment.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    PET is one of the easiest plastics to recycle. If this was done to PS, it'd be awesome.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Maybe, but current plastic recycling methods still require significant pre-cleaning, and if the material is too contaminated it just goes to landfill. It also still has to be properly sorted, and one item of the wrong plastic type can ruin an entire recycling batch.

    For this process, I think that won't matter so much. The yeast will eat what they want and leave the rest, which can be filtered out later.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    Wait they haven’t even tasted it? If I was a scientist turning plastic into food I would be at least licking it.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Probably concerned about worst case scenarios. This is a bioengineered yeast that eats PET. What if it populates your gut and fucks up your gut fauna and hurts you?

    What if you shit it out and it gets into some waste area with lots of plastic and starts multiplying uncontrollably?

    What if it evolved to eat other plastic and now all our current plastic starts literally molding?

    There's a lot of weird shit that you can be concerned about. Might be low risk but low risk of extreme new scenario.

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    Widespread contamination with such microscopic seed crystals may lead to the impression that the original polymorph has "disappeared". In a few cases, such as progesterone and paroxetine hydrochloride, the disappearance gradually spread across the world, and it is suspected that it is because Earth's atmosphere has over time become permeated with tiny seed crystals. It is believed that seeds as small as a few million molecules (about 10^−15 grams) are sufficient for converting one morph to another, making unwanted disappearance of morphs particularly difficult to prevent.

    Remarkable. Actual sci-fi grade stuff.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's possible they did taste it but can't say it because they didn't get permissions to do it.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    First it was bugs as protein .

    Then it was poo burgers .

    Now it's trash cookies.

    What's next?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    From the sounds of it, some kind of genetic treatment to turn everyone into raccoons?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Idk if it's an unpopular opinion here, but I'm totally cool with bugs as protein. I actually ate a roach that was raised in a clean environment and fed nothing but apples. It wasn't bad, actually kinda good. Tasted vaguely of apple to boot.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I'm cool with it. I fuckin hate roaches, but that aside, I think people misrepresent the concept for their own goals. The point isn't to eat bugs for protein (even if humans have at various points in history as a cultural norm). The point is modern meat production is killing us, and we should find other ways to supplement our nutritional intake. But the same people who bitch about vegans not getting the right macros or whatever also shit on bugs, so

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    First it was bugs as protein .

    Which has nothing wrong...?

    Then it was poo burgers .

    I mean, i really doubt it's meant to be taken as serious consideration and not just "why don't wr just try for the funnies?"

    Now it's trash cookies.

    Seems like you did not even try to understand the article lmao, they just want to showcase their modified yeast that can "eat" PET and produce other stuff with it

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This should be the diet of oil oligarchs and politicians who continue to suppress efforts to reduce fossil fuel use

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Has anyone read Diamond Age? I'd suggest you give it a try, even with the weird Stephenson jumps near the end, it explores molecular level production of products, including food.

    I feel this work is a huge deal for NASA and other space flight tech dev. Instead of trying to pack a ship with cookies, pack it with plastic and convert as needed.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It is a wonderful stealth sequel to Snow Crash as well. Good callout!

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    While this could be good, I think about this much older article that talks about somewhat similar things, specifically

    turkey offal, tires, plastic bottles, harbor-dredged muck, old computers, municipal garbage, cornstalks, paper-pulp effluent, infectious medical waste, oil-refinery residues, even biological weapons such as anthrax spores

    but they ended up only doing (what I remember being) the turkey offal. The article mentioned here says

    plastic compounds and agricultural byproducts like discarded plant stalks into proteins, fats, acids, and flavorings

    and while it has been 20+ years, my concern is that it will end up doing much less than promised. But I can hope for more.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    "We produce 400 million tons a year of plastic waste. You’re not going to turn it all into cookies."

    That's quitter talk. Have you seen the shit Americans eat? We could do 400 million tons of cookies and a large diet coke without flinching.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Fuck micro plastics, we got macro plastics

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    They haven’t actually eaten one of their µBites yet

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Wait... that's could have been a NileRed video!

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This is basically the plot of the the body horror movie "Crimes of the Future" where humans modify themselves to be able to eat the "new food" that is readily available, plastic waste. It is not meant to be hopeful.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14549466/

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I thought that was about a subset of people who had mutated to digest plastic, not that they modified themselves to do so.

    The whole opening scene has a small child too young for surgery, just going ham on his trash can.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I didn't want to give away everything but yes, the other plastic eaters had modified themselves and somehow a surgical modification changed a live birth to be able to be the first human to be able to eat plastic. Hence the kid.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    "They [university students] haven’t actually eaten one of their µBites yet, as they wait for university approval."

    LOL yeah right - same reason I never drank beer in college. Waiting for approval!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    They haven’t capitalized on feeding us our own shit… until now!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Ask your doctor if Plastic is right for you.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I want all the scientists working on this to eat about 20 of these cookies every week and report back in 6 months after they've had their doctors do a physical on them and tell us how they're doing.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What's the marketing for this. Eat enough plastic, become plastic, be immortal? Eat enough plastic to override the effects of climate change, live long enough to see the billionaires in their bunkers rot because they don't know how to open food packaging themselves? Eat enough plastic you can now perform your own plastic surgery, with the free companion microwave app?

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    How much actual plastic will be left in your body after consuming...this?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I’d absolutely eat plastic cookies if they have enough fiber

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Aren’t twinkies basically plastic?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds sort of like a prion cookie

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Don't we eat enough plastic already?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    “We produce 400 million tons a year of plastic waste. You’re not going to turn it all into cookies,”

    So they'll also make it into hamburgers and hotdogs??

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Experts: we're not gonna be eating plastic cookies.

    Sounds a lot like: we can't make profits of plastic cookies so don't get your hopes up.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    They haven’t actually eaten one of their µBites yet, as they wait for university approval

    Mmhmm. Yup. Sure.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    soylent yellow then

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