I mean hey if the RIAA is gonna go after teenagers for hundreds of thousands in like 2004, they had friggin BETTER level their cannons at AI bros!

Publishers, not labels

A couple of things I think are slightly off:

• They destroy the books because it allows them to scan them better. With the spine sliced off, a machine can automatically go through the pages, and there is no distortion or shadow at the middle.
• There's no need to do this legally - they could donate used books. The argument shows that the final product is transformative, so it doesn't matter whether they keep the books or not.
• LLMs can reproduce quite long passages of books, though I don't think this changes the argument much, because it's not reliable or useful.

I always thought there was in obvious win where companies doing this could be forced to archive the scan publicly (after some period of time). They'd be able to use it/sell it for training, but we wouldn't lose rare books forever.

The training is considered transformative as the LLM learns the relationship between the words rather than retaining the text of the books as-is

Which is what humans do when learning something using existing works without paying the artist. People tend to forget that the goal of neural networks was to programmatically mimic the way the human brain works.

Of course the mechanisms behind it are different, but they'd have to be because it's silicon vs carbon based processing.

When they win

This might be the first time I'm actually rooting for Anthropic. I mean I do use Claude mostly because it's cheap as hell on a subscription and Kimi has pretty nasty terms of use... But I don't LIKE the company. But if it's them vs the Zionellison family, they better win.

I refuse to hope for a world where copyright and AI are both destroyed in one lawsuit because it’s too beautiful to ever be real.

Just latching ointo the top comment: this page compares AI-generated music with the originals it blatantly stole from. It's against Suno, not Anthropic, but it illustrates the overall issue pretty well.

Obligatory (for Germans): GEMA is not necessarily the good guy here. Neither are Sony and Warner.

the oligarchs will settle between themselves on a way to fuck us over that's ok for both of them, as always.

Fucking crazy thing is that there have always been big ass people in the same room watching their shit get stolen. Warner, Disney, etc...

I can't imagine the legal pain if all of the media entities stopped paying ball.

because it was ruled to be a transformative work, like how someone making a video essay on a book/game/movie is (sometimes) not violating copyright.

Mind to explain why? Are you implying everything should be CC0? Are you saying what AI companies are doing is good? Should one license their software as CC0 instead of GPL? (sry, I’m not fully versed in the IP apparatus, so pls ignore my comment if I sound dumb. I will do some more research on it anyway at some point)

Wonder if Larry Ellison being a direct line between the US presidency and Israeli intelligence would change anything about people's opinion on Warner winning... Probably not.

Nah, people are not THAT stupid.