Fucker is so unbelievably a piece of shit the lady in front of him turned her head around backwards to see what creature could be capable of such a psychotic worldview

Nothing? NOTHING?! Why will no one think of the poor billionaires! They might only be able to live without working for 5 more generations!

I've had this discussion with a coworker.

Him: "Well I don't believe in climate change"

Me: "Let's say hypothetically it's not real. At the end of the day you'd still get cleaner air and water for you and your kids"

Him: silence

A better world tomorrow is not going to increase my stock portfolio today.

-rich people

That man is paid by the oil industry.

Many people would rather everyone suffer pollution and climate catastrophe than those people have a nice life.

The problem is people against this are in entirely different realities.

I have had family campaign against the "15 minute city" which is about having walkable cities woth stores and stuff within a 15 minute walk and claim its actually about you not being able to leave your 15 minute compartment.

I literally said this to my climate change denying MAGA relative just to see how they would react and they unironically agreed with me. I have no hope for these people anymore.

The thing I don't get is how is reliance on foreign oil not a national security thing. Like surely that angle should tickle someone in the American chain of command.

Yeah we need more etc. etc.

That is conservatism at play.

In the conservative worldview, this is already the best world.

you aren't thinking abouth tge new industrys that would be formed by total ecological collapse, the polution filtering masks, the cooling vests

It's not real science, because the fire is not as harmful as the pollution or gasses, but you have to remember that most conservatives are so self involved they forget about other people and the scale of the problem

How many teenie tiny fires would it take to make the world a bit warmer?

A million? A billion? Maybe a trillion little fires.

There are 1.699B cars on the road. By conservative estimates, average time of the road per day is ~30 minutes. If we pretend that they're all 4 cylinder engines, and average 1500RPM, both low estimates, that engine fires 3000 times per minute. For 30 minutes a day. For 1.669B cars.

Over the course of a year that's 55,810,000,000,000 fires. 55.81 quadrillion. In one year.

And that's just cars. Not planes. Not trains. Not boats. Not power plants. Not even cow farts.

They know that there is some number that's too much. They know we've passed it.

I'm a big fan of protecting our environment but this fails because it's a straw man.

Everyone knows that the things we get far more than "nothing" from our rampant pollution. We get fast transportation, abundant food, and vast material wealth.

If we were really giving up "nothing" it would be an easy choice. Very few people would be willing to pollute just for the sake of polluting. Even if we only got a little bit of benefit from pollution there would still be incentive to pollute.

Instead we get a ton of benefit out of pollution and we'd have to give them up if we wanted to stop polluting.

The more honest take is that polluting activities have a tradeoff. If we keep polluting at our current rate, we'll eventually push the ecosystem to a state where it can't sustain us. We need to be willing to make some hard sacrifices to prevent that and we need to identify those sacrifices, rather than pretending they don't exist.