To be succinct and private.. My incubator worked me for weeks to build rapport and trust with me in my younger days, to get me to tell her a something that she would ultimately, and immediately use and weaponize against me and others.

This wasnt the first time I tried to have a relationship with her, but it did finally open my eyes and become the last. In the many many decades since, I've not so much as acknowledge her existence when crossing paths.

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[–] 116 points 2 months ago (13 children)

My mom told me that she heard my soon-to-be-wife say some really horrible things about her and my kids behind my back.

Whatever she thought that would accomplish didn't work, because I had already told my wife to start recording her interactions with my mom. (Clearly not my first rodeo)

Mom wasn't real happy when I told her I'd listen to the audio.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    That is utterly evil (in the everyday sense). Glad you were prepped for that, but I’m very sorry that you’ve had life experiences that taught you it was necessary.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I still don't know what Mom's problem was with her, not that I even care. Before that point, they would each text me "You won't believe what she said to me!". I was stick on the middle trying to figure out what really happened, but something my mom said didn't match with a major detail that she didn't know about my wife's past, so I had a feeling she was the one causing the shenanigans. That's when I suggested the recordings.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    could be she saw your wife as a threat to her controlling nature, or your wife saw through her bs, and the mom is projecting. i had a former co-worker that had an extremely controlling mother, due to having trauma with thier first child(an accident) so she kept the former coworker close to her, to the point of "suffocation".

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I have to ask.

    If your moms such a piece of shit, why is your solution to your wife "make sure to record every interaction" instead of "Lets just stop dealing with this bitch"

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Definitely a fair question.

    We all lived in the same house at the time, and Mom's name was on the deed, so up until that point we were walking on eggshells to keep things civil until other arrangements were in place.

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  • [–] 86 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Used the fact that he named me after himself to commit fraud using my name.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 2 months ago

    Thats disgusting levels of premeditation.

    Sounds like he only had a child, to give it his name, to run its credit into the ground like he'd run his own.

    Hope you managed to right those wrongs once you came of age

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  • [–] 66 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Told my friend that he's like the son he never had, in front of me.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    I assume that was absolutely calculated for maximum pain. I’m so sorry.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Thanks. It really fucked me up for a long time. ;-;

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Being a parent myself now I still can't understand how you can intentionally inflict pain on your own children. I've been trying to understand my whole life.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I think the part of their humanity that feels empathy, bonds, compassion and so on are completely absent in some people. But more than that, not only are they incapable of feeling or reciprocating love and empathy, they also have a sadistic appetite for other people’s suffering and little else can satiate them.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    For context: I had an uncle who was an alcoholic/addict, with his addiction being the result of immense trauma he suffered as a kid. He was fired from his job in the medical field after writing himself scripts, and made a genuine effort to turn his life around. He went to AA and other therapy, brought his sponsor/buddy to events where there would be alcohol, and generally took it seriously and worked to improve.

    A few years later, we got a call in the early morning. He had overdosed and died after an argument with my aunt. It's unclear whether it was a relapse or if the overdose was intentional, and to be honest it didn't matter. My aunt was distraught, he was dead, and their kids now had no father. It was a horrific tragedy.

    When I got up to ask what the phone call was for, my mother had a huge smile on her face. She thought his addiction was a moral failing that automatically made him a bad person, but she also judged him badly for needing AA and the buddy syatem to stay on track. She told us, with glee in her voice, that he had "finally killed himself".

    It took everything in my power to not lay into her, which I didn't do only because I knew she would never change her mind. It was just the latest and worst example of her horrid behavior. I never told my aunt, but I did tell other members of my extended family when they asked why I didn't talk to them anymore.

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Was your mom a right wing christian? cause that sounds like the kind of sadistic glee you only get from a right wing christian.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Extremely. She and my dad were Catholic, and she was so right wing that she forced us to find a new church because our pastor said that we should treat non-Catholics and non-christians with respect because good works, not belief, is the key to salvation and the best form of worship.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Jesus. That doesn’t sound like a momentary lapse in judgment the way you describe it, but a trait. Must have been horrendous. Well done for not turning out like that.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it was not the first time I saw that kind of emotional sadism from her, but it was the one that made me realize that she literally thought some people deserved to die for things they ultimately had little to no control over.

    Thankfully my dad is a bit more levelheaded (though he still enabled her) and I have a lot of extended family who also can't stand her. I credit them as being the main reason I didn't end up continuing the abuse cycle.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    I’m reading this at the moment. It sounds like you might have active abuse rather than detached neglect (which I believe is also abuse).

    This stuff impacts us and those around us in the future. From personal experience it’s well worth talking to a pro about it.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Glad to hear that. I’m only a few chapters in but it’s excellent so far and there is no filler. It can bring up memories, but it’s like the gym: worth it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, this book resonated with me and my experiences so profoundly that I could only read a chapter or two at a time before needing to put it down for a few days to process all the eureka moments. I recommend it to everyone I can.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    my dad basically told me how disappointed he was in me when he died.

    because i didn't play high school football.

    i was 30.

    he was a weird bitter dude, really hung up on sports and a lot of trivial nonsense. only thing he ever seemed to enjoy in life was cruises and gambling.

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Look at it this way.

    You did so well in life, the only thing he had to spew venom about was a utterly harmless choice you made as a child.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    according to the rest of entire family I've done shit with my life because I'm not a multi-millionaire.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago

    My father was pretty draconic. No time for friends, no time for extra curriculars, no time for homework (he didn't believe in public education, which caused its own problems), because there was always something to do: my chores, my siblings' chores, home improvement projects, random "educational" outings that were mostly just me sitting in the car. Not to mention the verbal and physical abuse, leaving me on the side of the road to "scare me straight", making me live in a tent in the backyard for a while.

    I tried to be the bigger person after I moved out and practice hippy-dippy radical forgiveness. Unfortunately, he's a malignant narcissist and even when he realized he had no leverage anymore and had to behave, he was still a really really bad influence. The more time I spent with him, the more his traits rubbed off on me. I had to cut him off entirely because it became too much.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    This one may seem silly compared to the things I've read.

    My parents gave me a strange eating disorder that it took a while to get over.

    Mom refused to accept that there were foods or perhaps ingredients that I was either unwilling or unable to eat. As an example, Onions are horrible and they literally make me sick, whether its whole chunks of onion or powdered onion. But she kept sneaking onion into stuff she made because she just knew I'd like them if I just tried them! It wasn't a matter of "like" it was the fact that if I ate some I'd end up doing a technicolor yodel over the toilet while she told me I was being dramatic. Sometimes if I was really unlucky I wouldn't make it to the toilet which would make her even madder. So Id get spanked after puking.

    This caused me to be really mistrustful of food that I didn't prepare myself. I also had problems eating in front of other people, because mom (both parents really) would get upset over how I was eating, and it took me until I was in my 30's before I was comfortable eating with other people around. Which did wonders for my social life in my 20's.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    My father controlling me up to the age of 18, and preventing me from doing anything I wanted at home or at school (it was a prison, not the regular "school is boring"). The result is that I did nothing at school because I had anxiety 24 hours a day.

    When I became an adult, I didn't knew what money or taxes were, I didn't knew that I had to take showers (because homework is more important), and I didn't knew how to use toilet paper. I used to take a bath once every two weeks because why not instead of taking daily showers. It took me 10 years to learn basic stuff like cooking or washing my ass.

    Now that he's old and dying, he wants me to listen to his advice and help him with his phone and computer. I don't answer to such demands. And I'm pretty sure that when he dies, I'll only be sad for my mother, not him.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I adopted a baby from a different race and my father only talks about the white one, refused to meet the other kid.

    father in law posted KKK shit on his Facebook page.

    we'll just prune those two branches now....

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  • [–] 59 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    going into my backpack and stealing my HRT while i was in the shower, and refusing to give it back

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago

    My mom did that with my psych meds. The kind of meds that break your brain if you stop abruptly and don't taper off. I'm lucky I found them because I hate the brain zaps.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Thats one of two things you just dont fuck with, no matter what, and thats medications and food.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    it's funny you should mention food because they did also fuck with that! from the time i was zero until i was twenty i believed my parents when they said i was allergic to MSG and that it would give me asthma and that it was in basically everything besides what they cooked. but eventually i realized it was just another batshit method of control

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Buying a brand new car when I didn’t have a bed to sleep on

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Remembering all the times growing up when teachers suggested I get tested for ADHD and my mom would refuse because she "wanted me to be me, not a zombie" but was wildly disastrous for my future. Now she claims she has it too.

    Then she voted for trump 3X.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Sounds familiar, my 3rd grade teacher flagged me for ADD, but my parents were anti-psychology and in the “he’s just being a typical energetic kid. The lack of supports left me an awkward kid, who developed an unhealthy eating habit to get enough dopamine, which they then mocked me for and belittled my struggle to manage my weight. My wife witnessed it firsthand when I first brought her and my 2 year old son to visit, I broke down from embarrassment but she stood up and yelled at them for like 30 minutes about their wretched behavior. She definitely was the best choice in my life.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Your wife sounds wonderful ❤️

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Hell yeah, she’s also like a brown belt in karate and kicked a dude trying to break into our house down our outside stairs(was only like 5 steps worth), she is a lady I never had to worry about.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago

    Choosing to invite my Jan 6er uncle to family events knowing I would never break break with an insurrectionist traitor.

    First, I stopped attending family events. Eventually went no contact. Now my happiest recent memory of my mom is when my daughter couldn't remember her name.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    During covid my dad would not wear a mask willingly.

    It shattered my perception of him, that probably will not ever go back to what it was.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago

    Probably variations of

    "I'm going to kill myself cause of you."

    And

    "You have to love me or you have to leave."

    We left.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    This feels quite minor compared to most of the stuff here, but something that has stuck with me.

    I was on holiday with my parents when I was younger - maybe around 12 or 13. We were on a short boat trip, and I noticed my dad was wearing a baseball cap. In my mind I had this cute scene of me taking the hat off his head and putting it on myself, and all of us laughing. Kinda wholesome. But the second I reach for the hat he whacks me hard around the back of my head. I was more confused than anything - why did he instantly resort to violence? I hated the injustice of it; the image in my mind of doing something fun, something you'd see other families doing, but then the actual result being the complete opposite. I never understood it, but then I've never had much in common with my dad.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I think your dad hitting you for no reason is a very valid, very not-minor issue friend.

    We're not in the olympics, We're not racing for the gold medal in misery. We don't need to compare and rank what we've been through against others to find a winner.

    What you went through shattered the image you had of father and family, and is very real and valid.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Man I feel like I had those moments all the time in my family. I'm just going to do this fun harmless thing and they're going to enjoy it only to get hurt, yelled at or, grounded then be really really confused and try to get clarification on what the hell just happened and the response I get is "you know what you did!" Which made me more mad cause clearly I don't and I'm an angry crier then I'd get the "I'll give you something to cry about!"

    Yeah I don't have and will have have kids of my own...

    But anyways, I relate and I'm so sorry that happened to you.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago

    Despite countless requests to not, they sent me to a parochial school where I was physically and sexually abused.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I already had a rocky relationship with my dad after he made some questionable statements concerning COVID, but there are 2 distinct memories that just keep popping up.

    No 1 was him helping me move into my own apartment while my maternal grandfather was dying in the hospital. We were talking about vaccinations (a requirement to visit patients) and how me and my brother got one, he started tearing up and said something about how kids shouldn't die before their parents, how egotistical we were for getting vaccinated, and how we'll die in 2 years.

    No 2 was a few years later, we were standing on the sidewalk after having watched a movie, and someone had hung a pride flag from their balcony across the street. And while I'm not part of the LGBTQ community, I have good friends that are, and am firmly of the opinion that people should be allowed to do who and whatever they want to, as long as everyone involved consents. However, my dad apparently felt important enough to complain about how that's just "gay propaganda" and how he "isn't against it but they shouldn't force it into everyone's face" and so on.
    My guy, it's a flag. On a balcony. On the 4th fucking floor!? Chill out.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My mother once said to me she didn't appreciate how The Gays had to be "all in your face about it." Oh, shit, Mom. Did two guys force you to watch them make out at the store? Cause that'd be in your face about it. She was the reason I was homophobic until I was 20.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My dad was a rush limbaugh guy in the 90’s then moved to info wars, my mother who he married when she was 16 dotes on him due to his history of being abused as a child, so my dad never grew up, never learned any hard lessons, and she never made anything of herself but to be his voice box when I refused to debate him on politics.

    My mom then only called to relay her struggles, or to nudge me on politics, I would call her on holidays and gift them lavishly with my nice IT job, especially after my dad was forced into retirement during Covid.

    Anytime I mentioned a challenge in my life they would turn it around and tell me how they had it worse, when I told them good news, it barely registered.

    The last straw was when she called me just before the last presidential election to strongarm me into voting for Trump. She crossed a line and I hung up. Haven’t talked since, and finally have peace in my life, well some peace anyway.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    Sent me a registered letter requesting I reply in kind and explain why he should keep talking to me.

    20 years later he had no regrets, saw nothing wrong with what he said and did. Thinks we should carry on from where left off. He is also now disappointed with me because I never told him I have another kid. He wanted nothing to do with my other two but I should run around seeking his approval.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    My mom poured bleach into the enclosures of my brother's pet tarantulas when she was kicking him out over laundry or something.

    He's a better person than i cause he still cares about her

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    My father definitelty had narcissistic personality disorder, untreated of course because his culture downplays any sort of emotional introspection. He cheated on my mom and tried to justify it by claiming she wasn't satisfying his sexual needs, when in reality she was medically compromised, and couldn't physically reciprocate those needs all the time.

    Not to say my mother was a saint, cause she had her own issues of emotional detachment at times where she could be comforting most of the time but cold if you said the wrong thing to her, to the point where she beat me one time because I claimed offhandedly to my sister that "mom hates me". She and my dad still used corporal punishment to keep us and our cousins in line.

    But I still respected her more than my father cause she helped not only her family members, but my dad's family members as well, allowing his brother to stay with us for a while as he traveled to the US. She even helped my dad write his own dissertation while she was raising me and my sister. Not to mention she hosted both her parents and took care of them and helped them find jobs.

    But my father decided to be one of the most depsicable human beings I know personally because when my grandfather on my mom's side died and we all traveled out of the country to arrange, organize and attend his funeral, he not only brought the woman he was fucking into the house, they apparently had sex all over the house, leaving used condoms in several spots, they slept in my mother's bed, and he took her to various tourist spots that my mom practically had to drag him to. And it gets worse: He used the excuse of attending the graduation of his daughter from his previous marriage to get out of attending my grandfather's funeral, and of course, he didn't go to that event either despite my half-sister mailing him an invite.

    And that's not even getting into the shit he did before he met my mom.

    Yes, it gets much talk in therapy.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 2 months ago

    Brother, i hope you are talking about your mom too in therapy

    because the whole "I said mom hates me, and she responded by beating shitless.. I have so much respect for her" is just as big a can of worms as your dad being a filthy whore.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'm gay but like, the kind that almost got murdered in the 90s for coming out in a rural high school (I know Judy Shepard well). Fast forward to my mom telling me she's conservative in every way "except she belongs to the log cabin republicans" and I just lost it. "God gave you a gay kid so you could realize everything else they're saying is a lie, too, but you're too stupid to get that."

    And that's when I suddenly realized she had been outright abusive and manipulative my whole life, and it was just this idea of a perfect mom that clouded my vision on it. She weaponized her kids against our dad, his family, anyone she didn't like. Because she was too much of a victim to fight her own fights. Emotional incest. Lots of therapy fodder.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago

    I was broke and hungry in college. My mother had already told me not to ask her for money, but I called anyway, hoping maybe my gran could help. My mother screamed at me and hung up.

    I didn't take action on this for another thirty years.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There are so many things.

    After I was in a car accident in college, my mom convinced me that it was too risky to take my car to a shop in the city where I lived, so I let her take it to her own mechanic.

    Months went by, and every time I asked about it, she claimed it was still at the shop and she had no idea why it was taking so long.

    After I lost both my jobs because I didn't have reliable transportation, I found out that my mom hadn't taken my car to the shop.

    She had been letting my younger brother, who still lived at home, drive my (unrepaired!) car to community college so she didn't have to give him a ride.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I bet they'd been looking for an excuse for years to nab your car and give it to him.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I think it was mostly laziness on her part.

    She always said that if we wanted to go to college, we had to do it all ourselves, because she wasn't going to help.

    When my bro was in high school, he took the bus. Starting community college meant she'd have to drive him or buy him his own car, which I'm sure she didn't want to do.

    But, you're right, she might also have resented that my dad bought me a car .

    She's such a bizarrely dishonest person, it's difficult to understand her motivations.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    She got drunk and was crying about her regret about not aborting me. She came from a larger family and wanted more kids than she ended up having, but my dad's personal limit was 2-3 kids — and kid number three was only to try for a daughter if kid number 2 ended up being another boy. Me being a girl meant that she could only have two kids, and the fact that I was pretty fucked up means that she felt like she'd "wasted" a kid on me, so to speak

    I don't blame my mum for having these thoughts, as awful as they may be. At the time, I had not long since been diagnosed with autism, and my mental health was pretty awful too, which must've been a lot of stress for a parent to handle. What I do blame her for is being deeply depressed and having her teenage daughter be her primary (and basically only) emotional outlet.

    Whilst I am theoretically open to having a relationship with her in future, if she ever got sober (though that seems unlikely I'd learn of her being sober, as I went No Contact with her years ago), I'll never be able to forget how much she hurt me. She wasn't the root cause of my mental health problems, but she certainly made them a hell of a lot worse. And given that she never remembered the stuff she said when she was this drunk, I'll never get the closure of a genuine apology.

    What's especially tragic about my mum is that she's actually pretty well adjusted, considering the awful childhood she had. The main thing she wanted from life was to be a mum, and to do a better job than her own mum had. I do think she achieved that, and there are so many things that I feel appreciative of her for. Unfortunately, no amount of good can make up for the hurt that she caused when she'd get drunk and pile her grief onto me. Most of the time her drunken tears were far less hurtful, but it's still a heavy burden to put on an already struggling teenager.

    It's a shame, because I think she could've been an incredible parent if she'd been able to get therapy in the few years after she moved out but before she fell pregnant.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    he main thing she wanted from life was to be a mum, and to do a better job than her own mum had. I do think she achieved that

    How fucking awful was her mom, if she achieved being better with how you were treated to emotional incest and bearing the brunt of drunken grief bombing.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    It's weird because like my mom was a pretty terrible mom and yet because I know how evil my grandmother is like she actually did succeed at being a better mother than her own mother.

    Just the bar was so low that going up three or four notches was still deeply in the bowels of hell.

    Like the only thing that separates my mom from being a good mom was her own psychological issues stemming from having been raised by her mother.

    If she had been able to find a good man and hold on to him to fill in the gap between what she had and what she lacked, she would have been a great mom.

    For instance, my dad was a pretty good man. But he wasn't white, and so my grandparents conspired together to get my mom to separate from him and isolate her, which then led to her cheating on my dad and getting pregnant with my little sister, so she had to divorce my dad because of the shame of her own actions.

    My dad was in the military and my mom got pregnant with me while they were stationed in Germany and my grandparents used the idea of me needing to be born in America to get her to come back to America.

    His deployment didn't end until just before my first birthday. He got back and was immediately served divorce paperwork, and while the divorce was going on, my mom gave birth to my little sister, who is just slightly more than a year younger than me.

    The really sad thing is, is my dad still loved her and probably would have figured out a way to make it work and to forgive her if she had tried, but she didn't try, she absolutely rejected him and he carried the emotional pain of that for the rest of his life.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    When my mum was a child, when she wet the bed, she had her nose rubbed in it, like a dog.

    Her step dad used to get her half siblings to restrain her arms as one of them beat her up.

    When still a child herself, she was made responsible for the wellbeing of multiple of her very young siblings, necessitating her teaching her younger brother to help her shoplift food if they wanted to eat anything before their evening meal.

    The thing is with my mum is that the good times were very good, and on average, she was still pretty decent — and that's with awful things like the emotional abusive dragging down that average. As much as I still feel hurt over what she put me through, I also feel a like of sympathy for her. She tried to be better than what she had, and whilst she did succeed in that, that says as much about the extremely low bad as it does about the good she achieved as a parent.

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