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[–] 195 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The lane keeper fucks up and tries to drive on the shoulder, driver turns it off, research group acts surprised that it's turned off

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I had a few times where my lane assist thinks I'm turning when coming up on a left turn lane for some reason.

    I'm never turning that shit off though. I'll deal with the random beeps and resistance if I get too close to the line or something.

    I remember reading a reddit thread a couple years ago where someone legitimately asked "what if there's a bicyclist on the road?" I replied with the proper precautions to take when that happens, and the same dumbass replied with "but the beeps are annoying if I try to go over the line when lane assist is on!"

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    In our car, there's three levels of lane assist.

    1. Hey, try to stay in the lines. If you start to veer, the steering wheel will do the smallest corrections and vibrate a lot.
    2. The car will actively help keep you in the middle of the lane. (I mostly turn this on if I'm swapping my prescription glasses for sunglasses, then it goes right off again).
    3. Same as #2, but if you put on a turn signal to change lanes the car auto changes when it's clear. (If you put your signal on with all this off and a car is in your blind spot it freaks out with beeps and vibrations).

    I fucking hate #3. The only good part is it forces you to turn on the turn indicator. It both wants your hands on the wheel for the maneuver, but also will cancel the change if it feels any "driver correction".

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  • [–] 71 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I was driving home from the dealership after buying my last car, and the second I felt the wheel jerk out of my hands to take a corner on the highway differently than I typically do (I still stay in the lane, ofc), that shit got turned off and will never be reenabled. One of the most dangerous things is the car doing something unexpected while someone is driving and they try to correct/overcorrect for it out of shock/surprise and cause a crash.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    I was driving a rental car with that feature once and it recognized one of those big arrows on the ground (that show a lane is ending e.g.) as side lanes. It was on a fast street with multiple lanes, so I was going over 100 km/h and the car jerked the steering wheel towards the goddamn wall and out of the lane. IDK what would've happened if I didn't react in time...

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    There are two roads mine is always trying to turn down on my way home from work. I keep meaning to go that route during a not busy time of day to see if it actually makes the turn if I don’t stop it or if it will just jog to the right a bit.

    There are a bunch of black squiggly lines on the road from repairs and it gets confused there.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I turn it on when I'm on the highway. In the city, our roads are way too fucked up for it to work.

    I also have an auto emergency brake, and that's gone off when it doesn't need to once or twice, but I'm not disabling that one. I'd rather get rear-ended than hit someone.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 months ago (2 children)
    • adaptive cruise control
    • AR HUD
    • driving mode

    None of these were meant to save lives

    Also, both lane assist and auto emergency brakes are mostly poorly implemented. Even the ones that aren't really bad don't fare well with the chaos of the roads.

    Also, voice assistant is bullshit. You know what would be better? That's right, physical buttons.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I was driving a newer Skoda on vacation last winter and the windshield started fogging up as I was passing through a narrow little village in blowing rain bordering on snow. In my car at home (and probably most of the cars ever made) there are three knobs to control the heat which can be operated by purely tactile means. In this particular car, I had to go through pages of menus with no tactile feedback on the touchscreen while driving. I was only seconds away from having to stick my head out the window and limp it to the next safe stopping spot. I am glad it didn't happen on the motorway at 140km/h. Who thought this was smart? The only modern car I drove that didn't suck was a Mazda with their multi-axis joystick and physical climate controls. The touch screen disables at speed and the tactile joystick is a comparative delight. The display sticks out of the top of the dash so when you are looking at it you can still see the road beyond it.

    My partner and I test drove a Honda with no volume knob. You have to use the touch screen. Wtf? I am so glad we didn't buy that car. I now have two base model standard transmission cars, mid-2010s, neither of which suck and both of which are in good condition. Never gonna trade these cars in. Not even for a Bentley!

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  • [–] 101 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The safety tech is not mature enough, simple as. People turn it off because of the false positives and general nagging behavior

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Really depend on the safety tech. My partner's Honda Civic is so bad, that turning off CMBS (Collision Mitigation Braking System) and LKAS (Lane Keep Assist System) is essential to operating the car safely, as accidentally leaving these systems on has almost wrecked the car on more than one occasion. Meanwhile, the same systems on my fake Mustang work great. Sometimes backing out of the driveway, it will panic and warn me that I might crash into the ground, but it doesn't slam the brakes. The hands-free driving is actually really good, and a feature I would continue to use if it wasn't several hundred dollars a year. In comparison to Honda, Ford's safety tech is much more predictable and reliable.

    This is my personal experience with two cars that I drive relatively frequently, so other people may have other opinions and experiences that are completely valid.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Lane assist is only good on highways. Everywhere else it's a detriment.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    I hate it even on highways. Some cars assist is gentle and more of a ‘hey be careful’ reminder which is the best option and the one I can get behind but others have an aggressive ‘you have to fight me’ attitude even if your indicators are on. Those can burn in hell.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I've disabled safety tech in cars I drive because the signal to noise ratio was bad.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You're going over the speed limit, says the shitty sign recognition that missed the one outside that says otherwise.

    You're tired, says the racist eye closure camera that can't deal with Asian eyes.

    Your seatbelt is undone, says the sensor that can't discern between your backpack and a person. (To be fair, this one is just for the power of threes. Buckle in heavy objects. Secure your load.)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    My seat sensor is capacitive so if I have something sufficiently wet (like chinese takeout) or my phone plugged into the charger with the cord slack on the seat it thinks there is a person and beeps incessantly.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    My 2015 would have the 'collision alert' because a car was in an adjacent turn lane, but the road curved and it didn't know that.

    It also would go off most days on a stretch of road because it was certain I was going to slam into the guardrail of the curve. Again, the system had no cameras, no map awareness, so it just had radar saying 'something metal ahead'.

    It was slightly annoying but left it on, just in case.

    Now my 2023 on the other hand hasn't had a false positive that I can recall, in fact if not for one incident, I wouldn't even know it was doing anything. Someone pulled right out in front of my kid learning to drive. I had just enough time to think "oh, we are going to hit or my kid is going to yank this thing off the road". Instead, my kid executed a shockingly perfect evasive swerve that landed perfectly into the free lane. Then I find out that it also would take over steering and as a result, I'm pretty certain it saved me a pretty significant wreck.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Then I find out that it also would take over steering

    Um. This is kind of terrifying.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Based on what I saw and what I read, it only took over of it detected you trying to swerve and an obstacle that would hit and change it into an aggressive lane change. The steering into was at least roughly the maneuver desired, but it just corrected it.

    Though it may sound scary, it absolutely worked in my scenario. I've never ever seen it activate accidentally.

    I can't even be sure whether it activated or not that time, I wasn't driving. It just seemed like a scenario and maneuver unlikely for a barely driving 15 year old to pull off so perfectly. I'm not so sure even I would have avoided an accident, but even if I did, I doubt I would have hit the maneuver so spot on.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Two hours ago, I was driving in my little town. Speed limit is about 35. At the edge of town is one of those giant freeway-style lighted signboards that flashes some info about upcoming construction starting soon. When you see them on the freeway, they don't look as big. When you're up close to one, you realize they're pretty freaking big.

    Anyway, the signboard is now on it's back, all fucked up, twisted and broken. Looks like a dinosaur picked it up, bit it and threw it. A little farther up the road is a late model kia sedan with the front torn off and some fucking twat of a driver taking pictures of his car.

    So I don't know what model he was in, but it was one of the larger sedans, so not an Elantra or something cheap. I know darn well that it at least had to have automatic emergency braking, maybe even some other driver aids. Somehow, this muppet was able to NOT see the giant lit up, bright orange signboard and his car did nothing to stop anything by the looks of it.

    So it doesn't surprise me that people turn this shit off, not one tiny bit. It's always the people who need to have them on the most, as usual.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    The emergency braking I understand, I've driven some downright paranoid vehicles with that tech.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I recently also experienced this for the first time in a rental car, some Toyota SUV-style model. Super annoying half the time, the other half it did work but I was anyway already about to break. Not sure I liked it overall.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I had my Tesla slam on its brakes from 55 mph because it was convinced the car sitting at a stop sign at a crossroad was about to turn into my lane. Last time I trusted Autopilot in anything other than stop-and-go traffic. Not really in a hurry to find out if the Ioniq I have now does it any better.

    Give me fully autonomous vehicles on roads where human drivers aren't allowed, or let me keep control, thank you very much.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I had a similar incident; I was in the second lane of a freeway and a truck was going to merge into the first lane from a cloverleaf, and my Tesla freaked the fuck out and slammed on the breaks. I was lucky there wasn’t a car behind me for a bit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    For what it’s worth, I hear that Tesla has by far the worst tracking for their adaptive cruise control and auto brake feature, especially after moving to camera based tracking. I’ve owned 3 cars with adaptive cruise control and never had any real issues. Biggest problem was a 2011 Volvo that would sometimes keep tracking vehicles going out in a turning lane, but never braked hard for no reason. Probably your Ioniq will work fine as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    25 Subaru Outback Wilderness- I was backing up to do a u turn since there was a bigass tree down on the trail road I was driving, the radar saw a singular weed on the shoulder and emergency braked. I had my mom in the passenger seat and she thought we had straight up slammed into a log.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Even better when it also does "emergency avoidance" and sends you right into guardrails or oncoming traffic. That happens only once to you unwanted during the lifetime of the car and you immediately turn that shit off forever.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My "parking assist" feature got immediately turned off when it slammed on the brakes because I backed into a parking spot and it saw the concrete parking block 6ft behind me...

    I got out of the car thinking an animal had ran under a tire where I couldn't see it, then figured out it was just the car being "helpful".

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    AND that's the problem with "safety" tech. It doesn't act as an assistant it acts as a nanny. A nanny that makes mistakes. Sometimes harmless, sometimes irritating, and sometimes dangerous. Each driver should be allowed to decide what level of assistance they need/want without being forced or shamed about it. If we can't trust drivers to drive then maybe we shouldn't have cars and should redirect resources to public transportation infrastructure instead. (Personally I'm very on board with the latter.)

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago

    Some of the safety tech has tried to kill me twice, due to glitching itself, so I have had to turn it off. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I can't stand lane assist that tries to keep you in the lane by actually moving or vibrating the steering wheel. To me, it feels like the car is slipping. That shit gets turned off right away. But I have driven some cars where the lane assist just beeps, and doesn't force the wheel at all, I can deal with that.

    I find HUDs extremely distracting, they get turned off too.

    Adaptive Cruise Control is extremely useful, I love that one.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Pro tip, if you signal when you change lane it stops the wheel vibrating. As a bonus it lets other drivers know what you're planning on doing.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Except every car I've ever seen it implemented in malfunctions 1000 times more than it ever works properly. I always signal and find lane departure to be incredibly dangerous. If you trust your cars algorithm more than your own eyes, I don't trust you on the road.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago

    My only experience with a car that had lane-keeping assist was that the car actively tried to kill me by steering me into oncoming traffic.

    That car also thought I was sleeping when I wore sunglasses and again tried to kill me by scaring me with the loudest beep to 'wake me up' again.

    If that is how well this tech works it is not adding any safety. Quite the opposite actually.

    I also really started to wonder how bad the government ageny that tests these cars operates to certify this safety risk on wheels.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    The ones I am familiar with just beep loudly with the reason why super-imposed barely legibly on the dash.

    Constantly distracting, for me I'd rather pay attention to the road then look for your various pop-ups.

    I am not exaggerating, anytime you'd look away from the road it would alert. There's another road there and I am looking at the traffic. Shut the fuck up.

    ETA it resets with an update. Intolerable.

    I am not buying a new car again, something has happened to quality and design standards in my opinion. Old man yelling at clouds.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    After my car suddenly slammed on the brakes for the third time on wide open highway while screaming warning beeps at me I went to the settings and disabled everything. I had enough "safety" thanks.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    Semi truckers have been fighting this for years. And they're not allowed to turn it off unless they own the truck. Most truckers work for someone else.

    The typical scenario, approaching an overpass in broad daylight, the sensor sees the shadow on the road and freaks out, stomping the brakes.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago

    When the person in front of me has turned right, and I have full clearance to proceed, my CX-5 sometimes still thinks that car is in my travel path and applies the automatic brakes. Based on my experience, this feature is much more likely to get me rear-ended than it is to stop me from hitting someone.

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  • [–] 75 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    God, every time.

    Lane keep assist. Don't tell me how to drive my own car.

    You can't even show me the right speed limit due a sign on a different road that say 5MPH, when I'm on a 30MPH road, and suddenly you start beeping at me cause I'm going too fast?

    Randomly flashing up the BRAKE! Warning for no reason at all?

    None of this tech works correctly, and until it does, it all gets turned off every single time 8 start the engine.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Lane assist that pulls you into a pothole you moved over to dodge and loses its collective shit if the lines change.

    Collision detection that flips out and hits the brakes to avoid a car that just completed its turn.

    Blind spot monitoring that screams at you in a turn lane.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    You can’t even show me the right speed limit due a sign on a different road that say 5MPH, when I’m on a 30MPH road, and suddenly you start beeping at me cause I’m going too fast?

    Insurance company using police report: "Sorry, your rates are going up because you were going 25MPH over the speed limit. What were you thinking?"

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    Lane assist almost crashed me once. Lines were painted over as the lanes were rerouted due to a construction. This must have confused the system, as it tried to pull me into the concrete wall to the right.

    I stopped and turned it off at the next gas station. Never again

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    The speed limit warning beep is fine if it's just once on speed limit update or when you go above, so at least you can make your own judgement.

    Not sure what feature you have that flashes the BRAKE! warning, only I one I know of is the collision detection one that makes a warning sound that is quite reliable.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I never had problems with the collision detection (flashing BRAKE), up until I drove a Fiat 500e recently. It seems to differ by make and model I guess.
    That Fiat was insanely obnoxious though: It plays a very loud DING and flashes the entire dash red, even if you're going quite slow and can literally come to a complete stop with enough space between you and the car in front, just by taking your feet off the pedals and using regenerative braking.
    I drove it once and I got that warning like five times. Never had it before with Ford, Opel, Renault, ...

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I’ve driven the Renault 4 a couple of times now as a rental, and it has the absolute worst combination of driver attention detection and beeps. It’ll beep randomly for … something, you look at the dash and then it’ll beep because you’re not looking at the road. Or god forbid you look in the mirror, instant warning beeps. Definitely never getting a Renault after dealing with that.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    I got licensed by my country to drive, I am insured to drive. Everytime I start the car I have to confirm I will drive in line with the rules of the road. I can't select my profile or use the system until I am driving as a result. Stupid system.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Lane keep drives me of the fucking road when it’s sunny and the cameras can’t see straight.

    Automatic braking loses it because of shadows but misses the goddamn elk.

    I really love adaptive cruise, but i can see how many people (especially with lane centring) tune out - and make it a liability.

    What most people don’t do is drive many vehicles. The difference between safety features on cars - and it’s not always price that is the differentiator - is staggering. Stability control isn’t the same between a Toyota and a BMW. Not halfway. A $90,000 GM and a $15,000 smart car are generations apart - the smart wins, at least on traction control. Unfortunately it’s not easy to test all these features empirically.

    It’s no wonder people turn it off.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    My favorite was when a car runs a yellow light at the same time I ease my foot off the brake to get the engine started in preparation for going forward. The autostart and brake assist had a little tiff of errors and stalled the vehicle.. I had to turn the engine off and restart it to reset it.

    That was great.

    So lane assist is off, adaptive cruise control is off, driver attention is off (with some electrical tape over the fucking stupid thing) and brake assist is off. The only things on is the blind spot monitoring because that sort of works and the backup camera.

    Last time I was had a rental car, I was driving down a rural curvy road with no traffic. So I cut the corners whenever visibility allowed it. The computer freaked the fuck out and finally turned off after tossing a "Maintenance needed error". I laughed my ass off over that one.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    If your talking about the auto stop/start that happened when you push the brake down at the lights you should 100% disable this.
    They implemented it thinking it would be great that you would be not burning fuel and emissions for 30s while the lights were red but in reality what happens is that as soon as the engine stops your oil pressure drops, then your restarting with no oil in the cylinder and that causes an extreme amount of wear on your piston rings and other components. I dont remember the exact figure but starting and stopping while the oil pressure is low is responsible for like ~90% of engine wear.
    Depending on how many lights you encounter you could be doing exponentially more basically cold starts and your going to need to service your car much more often, replace the oil and filter, replace other components that wear (+ costs of increased servicing) just to save a couple minutes of idling emissions and fuel. I can tell you which is much worse for the environment.
    There is a german channel on youtube that literally did this as a lab test with a real engine to show how much extra wear was happening to your engine. The system was a 'good on paper' idea but they overlooked some key factors i think.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Nope. They have an electric oil pump that keeps working when the engine is off. It's not a cold start, an electric motor turns the engine to top dead centre and fires the plug on a hot engine .

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Are you talking about the CVT oil pump? Or have some manufacturers started doing doing this on the engine oil pump?

    Edit:
    Well i looked it up myself and it seems that newer cars, especially more expensive cars have addresed the wear issues by upgrading the crankshaft bearing, hardened internal components, upgraded altenator and a specific type of battery for this use. (No mention of electric oil pump motors for average cars)

    You also need to replace the (more expensive) battery every 3-5 years, so the cost is still comong back to you. Higher quality upgraded components + the more expensive and often replaced battery will all end up back on your pocket, like i said the system probably isnt worth the cost of the fuel and emissions savings.

    And if you have an older car with this function, then you also have the component wear issues, see the video i mentioned in the first comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8cJ2t_ja8&pp=ygUpYXV0byBzdG9wIHN0YXJ0IGVuZ2luZSB3ZWFyIHRlc3RlZCBnZXJtYW4%3D

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Adaptive cruise control emergency braked when a vehicle in the lane next to me slowed. Turned that right the fuck off. Lane assist confused trying to go straight on a bend in the road. Turned that right the fuck off.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago

    I have quite a few issues with modern cars. Most I've had the opportunity to be in are asinine.

    Important, rare warnings get lullaby tones, while the most common ones sound like someone's actively dying on life support.

    One had the genius behavior of showing a large ice detected message that took up the entire dashboard and hid away all the dials.

    Most also show a tutorial for how to start the damn thing, as if it in any way differs from any other car. And as if you don't need to pass a practical exam before driving it.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago

    I have driven some number of hundred thousand miles and departed the highway once to avoid an oncoming semi and 0 times for any other reason. I have operated a vehicle with lane assist turned on for some 10s of miles and they have attempted to take control to depart my lane/the highway a handful of times, which results in me parking the vehicle and figuring out how to turn it off.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    "Safety tech". OK. I was visiting a mate in the states, and the rental gave me a Nissan. Apparently, there's a lot of construction going on in that state, and the Nissan tried to literally run me, at 100kmh, into a median, because it recognized the (clearly) scratched off lane markers and not the (clearly) newly painted lane markers. I had to use nearly all my upper body strength (whatever little of it I had left after a 13hr trip), to force the wheel to the left and away from death. And that fucker bitched at me the entire time! would have 100% died. All because of their fucking "safety" tech. I turned that shit off as soon as I parked. All of it. I'm still so angry at them for that shit.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I like the one that thinks wet potholes are pedestrians so it will just stop while I'm fucking driving in traffic. Absolutely beautiful technology you got there.

    I especially love the ones that beep all the fucking time and shake my steering wheel into thinking I blew a tire cause these motherfuckers think my shitty roads with poorly marked lane dividers are me drifting off the road.

    The real icing on the cake are the new cameras facing the driver who ask me to remove sunglasses when driving on a sunny day to confirm my eyes are on the road.

    Holy shit, fuck car manufacturers! I am never buying any of these smart ass cars.

    Source: I rent a lot of new cars with the shittiest features you can imagine.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    My daily driver is a 2003, I had to buy an aftermarket stereo to get Bluetooth. Recently I borrowed a friend's Tesla for a week, and that was a god damned hostile experience. Shift into reverse - from a touchscreen, mind - and suddenly the entire cabin comes alive with beeps and pings, the dashboard changes to 3 different cameras, none of which show me what's happening to the sides of the car. The 3d overview diagram does almost a good enough job, but is that a trash can, a person, or a telephone pole? The computer isn't sure. On top of that, the blind spots are huge and the back window is tiny and heavily tinted, so I have to use the screens to some extent. If I was my car, I'd have turned half that shit off.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago*

    It’s about finding the balance. If it’s constantly annoying and bothersome people will turn it off. If it’s in the background and ready when needed, then awesome.

    My wife’s car (I’m sure a lot of others do too) lets you fine tune the help. I left on most of it after turning it down a bit - for me, she sets her own.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago

    Every time it intervenes, it makes things worse. They have a 99% false positive rate.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    The problem with some of these "safety" features is they malfunction at such a high rate they seem more likely to kill me than save my life. They also don't anticipate future consequence in any way.

    The collision detection malfunctions regularly giving a loud beep or applying breaks when nothing is ahead.

    The lane departure does not understand situations where you had someone wander into your lane and you may drive onto the shoulder quickly before signalling. I don't need my car fighting me while im making the correct call. I also think having the car take over, even gently, is so startling that it could cause the accident it was meant to prevent. If I'm startled I might over correct and lose control. While that has never happened, with everything considered, it seems safer to leave some of these features off.

    I don't need to be an early adopter on flawed technology that could get me killed.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I drove a rental that had collision detection in it. Three or four times, it suddenly slammed on the brakes for no discernable reason, and with no regard to how close/fast traffic behind me was moving. I had to pull off, download the manual, and figure out how to turn it off before the car killed me.

    One of the most important things in safely operating a vehicle is using gradual, predictable movements. My car braking without my input makes predictable movement impossible.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    The lane departure does not understand situations where you had someone wander into your lane and you may drive onto the shoulder quickly before signalling

    This is one of the biggest things I hate about my parents car. You almost have to fight against the lane detection when when changing lanes, being in a merge lane, or more importantly when another car starts drifting into you lane. It's great if you're on a long haul but it's detrimental because it's conditioning you to not have to pay attention as much.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I can deal with every other safety feature, but lane assist can fuck right off.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    This article is 2/3 fluff. The majority is about convenience features, not safety.

    That said, I recently moved from a ~15 year old car to a modern one, and have driven several newer models with the features described.

    Adaptive cruise: it‘s often poorly designed. It brakes far too rapidly and abruptly should traffic or a car ahead slow, and there‘s absolutely no reason to apply as much throttle as it does should it decide acceleration is appropriate. Also for uphill driving the cruise control often drops into far too low a gear in order to maintain speed. It‘s more of a nuisance than an aid, and it‘s even worse if traffic increases or you‘re in a lane with jackasses that can‘t maintain a steady speed. Adaptive cruise attracts idiots, too. The new versions will stay engaged and slow to a complete stop. If the driver has set the following distance to maximum the car will stop with a 4-5 car distance from the car ahead. They‘re treating it like some kind of autopilot that will run the car for them.

    Lanekeeping: there‘s a huge span of quality here. Some are shit, some are far too aggressive, some are “jerky” following a segmented plotted line rather than a smoother curve. They can overcorrect and really make for an unstable drive attempting to counter intentional driver input. Some “give up” and disengage with little warning, the audible alerts are often weak. Some briefly follow merge, exit, or widening lines for an additional lane pointing you off the road before they get confused and disengage with the car pointed in an unsafe direction.

    Auto braking: in my experience it has engaged every time when I was already braking, or engaged when there was no need to brake. The few times I thought it should have engaged, it didn’t. It’s a nuisance at best, ineffective at worst.

    Reverse cameras don’t provide a full picture and are awful in developing driver proprioception about the dimensions of their car. They’re fine for what’s immediately behind you, but use of mirrors and looking around is far better for backing out and looking for approaching people or cars. That said, I love the “360°” view ones. Those are great for centering oneself in a parking space.

    So I completely understand why drivers don’t use them. They’re often low-quality, inappropriate overcorrections for the situation, and make for a worse ride and potentially even detrimental to safety. That’s saying a lot considering the quality of a lot drivers on the road today.

    I run 80% of the time with adaptive cruise and lanekeeping off. I can’t disable the autobrake, if I could I would.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

    This makes me sound like I'm irresponsible. I'm not, I just happen to have a car with dangerously poorly designed "safety tech".

    My car has sign recognition, cruise control, and lane keep assist. I use a single one, and one I can't turn off permanently.

    Lane keep assist insists on making me drive way too far left, so I turned it off after it tried to kill me by forcing me into a super wide load truck coming towards me.

    Cruise control keeps wanting to switch setting to the recognised speed limit. But it picks up all sorts of stuff. So driving by a highway on ramp will make it suggest that I put the speed limiter to 130km/h, on a 70km/h road. But turning off sign recognition requires me to go through several menus and is reset when I park.

    On top of that the speedometer is 4-5km/h too slow, so I'll be going 84km/h according to the speedometer, my GPS says I'm going 80km/h, and I'll go by a sign and the speed limiter will pop up suggesting that I set it to 80. And btw that the speedometer is displaying a faster speed than I'm going, has nothing to do with wheel circumference. The car's odometer is spot on. If google maps says a trip is 300km then the odometer advances 300km, not 298 or 302.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    It's mind boggling how poorly designed most of these systems are. These are multi-billion dollar corporations and they can't do a simple thing correctly for the most part when it comes to these systems.

    For example, I don't know why this isn't the top and foremost thing but a car should NEVER be able to override when the human driver is trying to do. Sure, beep and adjust if veering out of the lane but as soon as any resistance it met by the wheel it should immediately turn off and let the driver do what they want to do.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Oh fuck yeah, I'll be driving the posted 130km/h and it suddenly catches a fucking 40km/h speed limit sign from a roundabout from fuck-knows-where and tries to e-stop in the middle of the highway. God damnit Nissan. Audi on the other hand works more or less flawlessly. From the lane control to the matrix headlights, I really like the systems on Audi.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My car is from the same group as nissan. Luckily it doesn't get to set the speed limiter automatically. If that was the case I'd traded it long ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Nissan is a decaying company and has been for decades now. They stopped making cars people wanted in the mid 00s and don't make reliable cars like the other Japanese makes mostly do.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Meanwhile the Quashqai here in Denmark is roughly $54k USD.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah... If the Qashqai was under 20k €, it would perhaps be acceptable. But essentially, base model, you're paying 30k€ for a shitty FWD hatchback that has comparable fuel economy to my more spacious and heavy 20 year old wagon. Which has about twice the power. And all-wheel drive. And will last much longer, if maintained*.

    The last noteworthy Nissans IMO were the GT-R and the Leaf. The GT-R ended its 18 year production run (yes, 18 years of a single model) last year and the Leaf has been outclassed by other cheap EVs for years now.

    I also drove the Armada when I was in the US a few years ago. That's supposed to be their flagship, the big bad SUV. Sure it had a V8 with a nice sound, but at like 50k miles or 80k ish kilometers, it was already falling apart...

    Things were made worse when they decided to partner up with Mitsubishi and acquired a large stake in that company. Another dying company that hasn't made anything noteworthy in decades and closed down production of their iconic models. Neither company has innovated in any meaningful way lately. No real advancement in engines, transmissions, etc...

    *Knew someone with the previous gen Qashqai. Less than 10 years and 200k km and the engine was considered toast.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Yeah, it's not a great vehicle. I'm fundamentally very unimpressed with it. Tbh I liked the Renault Captur more than this vehicle. I've driven a lot of different models of rentals in the past year, and I'd rank the Qashqai slightly above any of the Mercedes and below the VW family van. Audi at the top of the list, followed by the BMW X1, followed by the Captur.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I drove a newer rental car and tried all the safety assist features. I felt the same way after less than at hour of driving and turned everything except cruise and emergency brake off.

    Don't even get me started on how useless the voice control system was. The car voice control is usually significantry worse than the Google provided version. I frankly do not understand how Google has done such a garbage job. Voice control on Google seems to have gotten worse since it came out, not better. At least for actually getting things done rather than just asking silly questions. I can't even effectively take a note on my motorcycle reliably by voice.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Or said another way, 80% of drivers leave them on/use them. That sounds pretty good to me.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    Headline should read "One in five drivers switch off 'safety' tech meant to appease lawyers in a lawsuit-happy culture"

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