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The whole furry thing is creepy (lemmy.world)
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The whole furry thing is creepy as hell. It's weird. Wanting to have sex with anthropomorphized animals is not a thing that should be normalized.

And it's even creepier when they add things like "kitten" or showing anthropomorphized animal kids.

And thank you to Unruffled [they/them] / Flatworm7591 @lemmy.dbzer0.com for this sane and reasonable response.

And thanks to recursive_recursion who seems to be an alt of Flatworm for continuing that sane and reasonable response. Note that in over 1,400 comments here I've never once said a single word against trans people. Not once.

It really bothers me when people lie about racism. So many people really do experience it so much in life, and lying using false racism accusations as a sword and shield to make other people look bad and make themselves look like the victim is demeaning to every real instance people suffer.

Hopefully one day this person realizes that lying about transphobia for the same reasons does the same thing.

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[–] 41 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Furry ideas aside, this shirt is just a shitpost. I doubt anyone wears this seriously, and I doubt it was made to be taken seriously.

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  • [+] [S] -19 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    I get that the shirt was posted here as a shit post. But you know there are people in the world, and likely here on the internet, who would wear shirts like this in public, and even more who only don't because they know they'd be made fun of.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Why do you care what other people want to do? Do you literally have nothing better to do in life?

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 2 months ago

    People form opinions all the time about all sorts of things other people do. If you walk out of the front door and there's someone in nothing but a cowboy hat, gas mask, diaper, and high heels you are probably going to think something like "that's really weird" or "that's creepy" or maybe "I shouldn't have eaten all of those mushrooms."

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    If aliens came to earth would you object to people hooking up with them?

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Fetishization of others due to their racial characteristics is generally considered a bad thing. Due to the topic jumping to aliens as a defense seems like that more than anything else.

    Wolves and Zebas and the like are already on Earth, and it's already considered very wrong to have sex with them pretty much everywhere.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Everybody has preferences, it's not immoral to have different preferences than someone else, fetishizing is harmful when it causes you to stop treating someone like a person and instead treat them as an object.

    Because A: there are no actual furries irl to be harmed and B: most of the fandom is actually very invested in who their characters are as people

    I think that argument falls flat, I brought up aliens to counter the argument you made next about animals already existing. Because no animals on earth can talk. Furries might have animal characteristics but conceptually they are closer to aliens than animals unless you only care about visuals.

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  • [+] [S] -12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I brought up aliens to counter the argument you made next about animals already existing. Because no animals on earth can talk. Furries might have animal characteristics but conceptually they are closer to aliens than animals unless you only care about visuals.

    ... no, furries are humans. They're not aliens or animals. Humans who like to pretend they're part animal and involve sex with that. It's not harming anyone so it's not immoral, but it's definitely weird and creepy.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Furries means the humans who are in the fandom, but it also means the characters, I was referring to the characters

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    maybe thats the line. Sorry hi, im reading through for understanding because my intial reaction is the same as OP but its nice to see the discourse so I can learn.

    So this, "It's a character" actually helps my understanding. Been a theme a bit this week, understanding how someone plays a character and stays in character. Was watching a game live stream, it had some role play, and I really didnt like this once character because he was playing someone.. just anyway. But someone explained to me the character bit, and ..Im working on it.

    So when you say this here, about the furry community, and it being them playing a character, I can make sense of it a bit in this way. I dont think ill ever fully understand, but this makes sense, It's a character, like in a play, live action role play of sorts.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Depending on the person/community it can either be LARPing (playing the character in a public setting for a time, not acting in private or in other settings) or can be like method acting (always in character regardless of circumstances).

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    • [–] [M] 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (25 children)

    Post was reported for

    troll/not unpopular

    Seems like the picture was shitposting, but that's allowed. The post? I don't think it's trolling.

    Leaving up.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (16 children)

    I think they're sincere, but it's sorta starting to feel like they're using this as a soapbox from which to preach intolerance. While not quite as charged as the topic of trans people, a lot of the rhetoric they're using in here is only one swapped noun away from being a Nigel Farage tweet.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    How am I preaching intolerance? If you swap one noun for any thing that any person dislikes or finds creepy with a noun for the ones Hitler or Farage were known to complain the loudest about then of course it becomes something awful.

    It seems weird and creepy. That's my opinion. I'm not saying they should be set on fire. I don't care what any consenting adults do in their own bedrooms. But it's become so normalized online, and typically in clearly sexual manners, that it's starting to feel more like dragging the non-consenting general public into a fetish act.

    I don't understand how someone would term that as intolerance. The world is full of strange fetishes, and they're typically kept in that private part of people's lives. There are loads of fetishes consenting adults enjoy with one another that most of the people in here down voting would complain about seeing images of posted regularly (with all genitals covered).

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

    I mean that:

    It seems weird and creepy. That’s my opinion. I’m not saying they should be set on fire. I don’t care what any consenting adults do in their own bedrooms. But it’s become so normalized online, and typically in clearly sexual manners, that it’s starting to feel more like dragging the non-consenting general public into a fetish act.

    This shit is exactly what people say about queer people online. It's almost 1:1 the identical rhetoric. "I'm not saying they should be killed, I don't care what they do in their own homes, but" Please, look back on that and consider if you're seriously okay with saying this about someone else. Your arguments here are just plain bigotry, but because you feel morally justified in that they're doing weird sex pervert stuff you're making the internal distinction that this is okay behavior, even though a quick skim of your post history makes you look like someone who would be right at the front of the pushback if some chud came in to say this about any other "But I think they're weird, and I'm entitled to my own opinion!!" marginalized group.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    So you don't think people are entitled to have an opinion that something is weird to them personally.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    I think that if Karoline Leavitt had said the same thing, you would push back to her rhetoric just as I'm doing here and that trying to make this into an argument over someone's right to an opinion is an intellectually dishonest way to approach this conversation.

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

    If the topic were people sexually attracted to children making artwork that depicts children characters in sexual way and wearing similar costumes in public, would you be telling someone the same thing?

    Yes, we know that having sex with children is very wrong. But some people are sexually attracted to them and can't control that. Likewise having sex with animals is something we know is very wrong. Saying a drawn character isn't really an animal and they'd never do that to a real animal seems the exact same situation as those who say drawn sexualized children aren't real kids and they'd never do that to a real child.

    How about if it's people masturbating in public? I don't care if they do that in the privacy of their own homes, but it's not alright to do in the middle of the street. Similarly, wearing gimp costumes, ball gags, and strap-ons while walking down a public street isn't great either even if those people aren't exposing their genitalia in public.

    Yeah, saying that you don't think the actions of some people are things they should be doing in public can be twisted if you imaging they're saying they don't think people should be being black or gay in public. But that isn't what's being said, it's you trying to be tolerant and accepting to the point where anyone saying doing something in public seems bad leads to you imagining them in a KKK hood holding a torch.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

    But that isn’t what’s being said, it’s you trying to be tolerant and accepting to the point where anyone saying doing something in public seems bad leads to you imagining them in a KKK hood holding a torch.

    Your argument is now to insist that that I'm 'too woke'. Please, just step back and listen to yourself for a moment. You're better than this, and you know these arguments are in any other context bullshit. Why is there an exception when you're the one sincerely saying these horrible things?

    You're taking the exact same rhetoric they use against queers, blacks, trans...es, and just turning it onto a group of people you don't like. I'm not arguing that this could be extrapolated to you being bigoted against those people, I'm saying that you are literally using the same phrases as they use, just for a different group of people that you personally don't like.

    How about if it’s people masturbating in public?

    Are they doing that, though? Because I'm pretty sure you're just equating wearing a fursuit to be the same as masturbating in public to shore up your argument.

    Saying a drawn character isn’t really an animal and they’d never do that to a real animal

    Sorry, you edited this bit in: "Won't someone think of the children!?!" is a tired trope too. "What if children see the pride parade, is that acceptable? What if some man claims they're trans so they can sneak into the women's bathroom and peep on your kid while they jerk off in a stall!!" As has been repeatedly explained in this thread, there's a vast difference between anthro pornography and actual beastiality, much as there's a difference between lolicon and CSAM.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    As has been repeatedly explained in this thread, there’s a vast difference between anthro pornography and actual beastiality, much as there’s a difference between lolicon and CSAM.

    Sorry, no. I'm never going to say that drawn or CGI images of kids having sex is alright. It's not. I don't care that they're not real kids, I don't care that they're not real animals. It's creepy and depicting something that's very not alright.

    You’re taking the exact same rhetoric they use against queers, blacks, trans…es, and just turning it onto a group of people you don’t like. I’m not arguing that this could be extrapolated to you being bigoted against those people, I’m saying that you are literally using the same phrases as they use, just for a different group of people that you personally don’t like.

    You understand that the reason we have protected groups is because it's not considered wrong to ever dislike anything any group of people does, right?

    There are tons of things that people do that are considered bad, wrong, creepy, or weird. There are an awful lot of humans, so many of those things have many people who enjoy doing those creepy, wrong things. Just because a group of people likes doing a thing doesn't mean it's evil intolerance to say that thing creeps you the fuck out. That's the reason I gave you the examples.

    If there were a large group of people who decided they liked to shit their pants, reach their hands down and scoop some up and sit eating it in public, that would be weird and creepy and fucked up. Saying you found it to be that would not be similar to saying you hate Jews.

    I hate when people talk on speakerphone or listen to tiktok or whatever they're doing at full volume in public. A sadly large number of people seem to like doing that. I am intolerant of that thing, because it is annoying. That does not mean I hate black people.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    You understand that the reason we have protected groups is because it’s not considered wrong to ever dislike anything any group of people does, right?

    ... I'm sorry, your argument is now "it's acceptable to be racist"?

    You really might want to rephrase this because I can't figure out an interpretation of that that's more flattering for you. This is "I'm entitled to my opinion, librul" being taken to a spectacular extreme, and I'm really hoping it's just poorly said and not the mask off moment it feels like.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Can you point to the words that you're interpreting as me saying it's ok to be racist?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    I did, it's that section I quoted - wherein you put forward the idea that we have protected groups (queers, blacks, women, etc) because it's not considered wrong to dislike any [protected] group of people because of what they do. Implying that we have protected groups because it's acceptable to be racist/sexist/homophobic, and by extension what you're doing is also acceptable.

    You don't see the incredibly problematic comparison you've just made?

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    No, you're misunderstanding.

    The reason we have protected groups as opposed to simply saying that voicing any dislike of anything that any group of people does is always wrong is because it's not always wrong.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    ... You're saying we have to protect women/blacks/queers/etc. from people because sometimes those sexists/racists/bigots/etc. dislike an entire group for totally valid reasons.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    No, I'm not saying that. I said that the reason we protect certain groups and don't use those characteristics against them instead of simply saying it's always wrong to use anything anyone does as a bad thing is because people do bad things so it's not always wrong.

    Saying someone shouldn't be black in public? Not alright.
    Saying someone shouldn't be walking around in public in a costume made entirely of sex toys? Accurate.
    Saying someone shouldn't be gay in public? Not alright.
    Saying someone shouldn't be having gay sex in a crowded public park? Accurate.
    Saying you hate everyone who has a certain religion? Not alright.
    Saying you hate people who talk on the speaker phone at full volume while sitting waiting to be called at the DMV? Good point.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    No, that's what you were saying. That's why I suggested you rephrase it, because what you're saying is exactly what I presented and I didn't think that was representative of your real opinions.

    Anyways, that's a great illustration of the problem:

    Saying all black people are criminals? Not alright
    Saying a black person is a criminal? Accurate (er... maybe)
    Saying all [group] are [anything]? Not alright
    Saying all furries are sex perverts walking around in a suit 'made entirely of sextoys'? no, wait, that one is okay! (and again, something you made up)

    Are you starting to see the issue here? You're claiming that tarring all members of a group with the same brush is wrong, but then you go on to do exactly that because... I guess it's okay when you do it? Presumably because you know damn well you're not a bad person, and those creepy weirdos, well you just don't like them. Sex perverts, the lot of them.

    And I can see you're not a bad person - we have six months of records that show you're either a pretty damn decent person or one of the best actors I've found on here. So why are you so willing to barter away your values on this one issue, when I can fairly confidently conclude you'd never defend bullshit like this if it were being said about any other group of people?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Furry porn gets his dick hard and he is ashamed

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Honestly, I doubt it. I think they just hadn't realized that having an unpopular opinion on lemmy doesn't make them special or mean people will respect them for admitting it.

    Now they're all scandalized about being banned from a buncha DB0 comms after parroting a shitload of phobic talking points for several hours and like... Nah, if you walk and talk and steal soundbites from racist transphobes, kinda shouldn't be surprised when you aren't given the chance to actually be racist and transphobic. That's the price of committing to a hateful opinion - you're allowed to have it just as much as other people are allowed to make sure you can't spread it in their communities.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Thanks. I love the irony in people are reporting a post in the "Unpopular Opinion" community for being unpopular.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    they actually reported it for being not unpopular

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  • [+] [S] -13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    That's actually even better. "I dislike this opinion so much that I will complain that it's popular so it gets deleted."

    If mental gymnastics burned as many calories as the real thing we'd never need to get off the internet and go get some exercise. :)

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It's not mental gymnastics and it's not about disliking the opinion, it's legitimately not unpopular. Dunking on furries has been popular on the internet since at least 2005, it is extremely mainstream and probably the gateway for young people to the more toxic parts of the internet since blatant bigotry is more likely to be removed.

    You have a very small mind if you think all disagreement is "I don't like it"

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  • [+] [S] -15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You have a very small mind if you think all disagreement is “I don’t like it”

    I've never spoken a word to you and you jump in to insult me. This is how intolerance works. Tribalism. When people feel one opinion or reaction is the socially acceptable one for the group and someone else is honest about disagreeing then you feel it's socially acceptable to attack that person. Shun the outsider. The evolutionary psychology of millions of years of mainly relatively small groups spread out with little contact with outsiders definitely didn't prepare us for being lumped together on the internet.

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    • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Just ordered this shirt

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    [–] 10 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Yawn, this bullshit is as old as the internet. Leave the furries alone.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Saying that you find a thing creepy and weird isn't attacking anyone. Another person here used people literally eating shit as an example. Would you not say that people getting off literally eating shit is weird and creepy? Even if you wouldn't, I sure would.

    There are over 8 billion humans. We're not all going to agree on the same things. There's a huge distinction between honestly saying a thing is creepy and trying to form mobs to hunt people who do those things down.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Idgaf how you feel about it, be creeped out all you want, as others have pointed out this is the same rhetoric used to hate on gay and trans folks. I hate seeing this shit on here, Lemmy is for the queer, audhd, anti-establishment furry punks, and I like it that way.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It's a bit insane to try to say no one can share opinions you don't like or agree with. Yeah, of course the same things a person says to explain why they hate olives sounds like something much worse if you switch the word "olives" for "Jews."

    I've never seen anything on Lemmy that says it exists only for a few specific groups of people.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Oh fuck off asshole, go back to reddit where you belong

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    No sense in putting up with hateful, insulting people so I'm just going to add you to the block list.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Some person with whom i vehemently disagreed once pointed this out to me, and it changed my perspective, so here goes:

    Blocking people on Lemmy only makes it so that you can't see anything they post. You aren't notified when they post a comment replying to your own, but _everyone else can still see it. I recommend using user tags in certain colours, so I have one for that guy who constantly misuses the thorn (þ) in his posts, so that I'm mentally prepared for the gut punch as a student of Old Norse and Old English. That guy has a different colour flair than all of the astroturfers, crazed tankies, and dickbags, because you can set a LOT of different user tag colours. Rather than blocking them, just set them to a red flair, so that you can safely ignore anything they have to say, without potentially being slandered or otherwise made to look a fool without understanding why.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, I get that but don't really care. I'd rather simply not have to see the idiocy, I don't care if other idiots congregate in and tell them they're very right and wise and it's crazy to think wanting to have sex with animals, or kids, or blenders is creepy and weird.

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    • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    i give OP a year until the furry hater -> furry pipeline kicks in.

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    [–] 7 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    Is the furry thing like absolutely a sexual thing? I always thought some were but I figured many just liked the aesthetic or something.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Not all furies are sexual we actually have a large asexual subgroup so some just like the cute art. But a lot of us also like roleplay fantasy and sex.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Thank you for a real answer finally!

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    To elaborate the fandom is basically a large open and mostly supportive community of neurodivergent people. I don't have a source but i'd wager that over 80% of us are on the autism spectrum. Yeah we are weird, we know, we do not care. Its nice to be able to express yourself more freely through a character or avatar.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Its a persona type thing, where people draw, dress, and act like their characters. Yeah, sexuality often plays a part in art because furry is about freedom of expression. This art may also include depictions of slice of life, violence, memes, ect.

    I think there's alot of nsfw because if you're going to pay for or take the time to make art, may as well make it nsfw if you want.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I've run into a whole lot of art of sexualized animal-people just browsing default feeds in different places. It certainly seems to have a big component of that. But even without that, putting on costumes and getting together with a lot of other grown adults so you can all pretend your animals is still really weird.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    putting on costumes and getting together with a lot of other grown adults so you can all pretend your animals is still really weird.

    This is actually the least weird part of it, I think haha

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    They make butt plugs that double as tails. So signs point to.. duh.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    There are multiple vendors selling in Jesus butt plugs. I will allow you to reconsider your opinions

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    There are multiple vendors selling in Jesus butt plugs.

    I'll counter with the Catholic religion is full of sexual iconography and myths. It's all sex, always has been.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Going through the released Epstein files there was a picture of a ~20 year old woman prostrating naked in front of a giant image of Jesus. That stuff definitely gets creepy too.

    I wonder how many communities I'll be banned from by the end of the day for being honest about things that seem creepy and having it called "transphobia."

    Spiders creep me out. Sometimes clowns. People who live at the Renne Faire and never break character? Maybe a little. Millipedes and Centipedes for sure, those are definitely creepy. Some basements when the lights are off. Maybe most basements.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder how many communities I’ll be banned from by the end of the day for being honest about things that seem creepy and having it called “transphobia.”

    Yeah that mod overstepped. As much as you are abrasive sometimes, I don't think you're transphobic for this opinion. Too bad they mod the powertrippingbastards community when they are a powertripping bastard themselves lol

    Consenting adults doing consenting adult things, even if some may think it's creepy, is completely fine and should be allowed and protected. It's ok to think it's creepy IF you aren't attacking others for it and trying to stop them.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago

    All 8 billion of us are never going to like all the same things and agree on all of the same things. It would be nice if we could be honest but not hate and try to change or murder each other. I will never support someone for eating olives, because ick. But also I try to not suggest starting lynch mobs to hunt them all down.

    It bugs me a lot when people use false accusations of racism to make someone look bad and themselves look like the victim, because it demeans every real awful thing people live through. Hopefully one day this person realizes that. You can use that as a lie to get people on your side quickly, but it's breaking trust and demeaning the struggles of the people you're claiming to support.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago*

    Well, you have to understand that my only exposure to furries is Reddit and lemmy.

    Need I say more?

    Do you really want me to get the donkey dick quotes from the Bible for you?

    Ezekiel 23:20 - the first one's always free.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    They make lightsaber dildos but I wouldn't consider Star wars a sexual thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    they make dildos that look like pieces of pie stacked up and ears of corn. neither of those are furry-related.

    pointing to any specific dildo design as being inherently weird just isn't a great argument, basically.

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    • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I suggested writing CSS last post, this post I suggest an alternative:

    • Open UBlock Origin quick menu
    • Click the cursor hover icon
    • Click on some profile picture
    • Fuck with the sliders if you want
    • Done

    Amazing! No more furries exist on the internet. Like ever. Zero. Well, to you, none. They may still exist, you just probably wouldn't know it.

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    • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    yeah when you are not furry its wierd. heterosexual guy and gay sex is wierd and kinda funny. thats why its a big joke target. im betting homosexual men see heterosexual sex is wierd. honestly sex is wierd. I mean when in the moment its great with all the hormones and everything but thinking about it rationaly later. wow. this is why individual rights are so important because none of us should have anything to say about what people do that does not effect anyone else who doesn't want it to.

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    [–] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The best part is that it's non of your business and very easy to avoid!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    very easy to avoid!

    Not in certain areas to be honest. I run into furries rather frequently.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Have you considered getting off the internet? We kind of run it.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    OP: Why do all these people in fur suits keep sucking my dick?! I'm so sick of having my dick sucked by people in fur suits! Can anyone tell me how to prevent getting my dick sucked by people in fur suits?!

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    • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    where r u seeing all this furry porn ?? (asking for a friend)

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Just scrolling through reddit /r/all when bored I'd always see at least one image, sometimes several. I'm not saying "porn", just overtly sexualized anthropomorphized animals.

    Running in to those animal people pictures it was extremely unlikely it would be two normal, not overly sexualized characters playing chess or something, but extremely likely to be giant animated animal-girl breasts.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    C/wholesomeyuri loves cartoons of ostensibly prepubescent anime girls. And then there's the diaper fetish of infants. Yes sexy diaper bottoms!?

    And don't even look at the list of banned instances here....

    I don't think when you see the words child and "pawn" together that it means a "pawn shop for kids"...

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, the anime children thing is definitely super weird and creepy too.

    "She's not 10! She's over 3,000 years old so it's totally okay. She just looks and acts 10 because if she didn't then this wouldn't turn me on."

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