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This won't work - you can always use a dumber, open model to rephrase and remove the watermark. All this does is marketing for anthropic, which I see most people are buying. Gives you a false impression you will easily be able to figure out if it's done by AI, which it is not. Liars are still gonna lie, cheaters still gonna cheat.
Sure, but they need the watermarking to later claim the copyright on the stuff that people do create in the open with their agents.
"They would never do that!"
"And even if they did, I would sue them, and then the justice system would..."
"uh... uh oh"
My tinfoil head tells me they don't want to ingest their own slop for training. But this only helps them if others do the same. Data poisoning is a real problem for llm future.
sucks to be stupid
This is probably relative. A lot of people (smarter and not so smart) got hooked on it because of how accessible and convient it is to just ask AI any question and get it spit an answer in seconds. However, there does seem to be a catch - after some time you feel emptiness / void because of how hollow it is. You don't seem to need to do a research anymore and critically evaluate the options.
So lazy and stupid?
I'm going to always say this. Only stupid and dumb people love LLMs because it helps them feel smart and artistic.
Tbh anyone who asks Ai questions and then doesn't fact check it was never smart. And if you have to fact check it, why not just do the research to begin with and skip the middleman?
Well there's also the stupidity of not being able to figure out how to remove the "watermarks" from the generated text...
Weird Al - Dare to be stupid
It should be watermarked. Credit for answers should go to what generated the answers. If it’s not you, well, now it’s not so easy to be a lying sack of shit.
Credit who provided the info in the first place, not the 'ai' that spat it out.
Even more! In the EU it has to be marked/identified as AI generated, if you publish it anywhere (not that it's enforced much yet, but competitors might/will sue if it's used in a company setting). I think this should be adopted world wide (although fat chance, I know)..
Oh shit, Claude has enough credits to graduate with tens of thousands of degrees from hundreds of universities? All around a C-B average, weird.
Then don't fucking use it you dumb lazy shit and use whatever little grey matter you have left.
That’s the issue. It’s someone else’s fault, always. It requires a substantial amount of grey matter to accept personal responsibility, e.g. “I fucked up”. It was me, who made a mistake. When we make a mistake we downgrade to our lowest, most childish behavior, to deceive, lie and cheat, just so we are not in trouble.
Some people never ever ever ask the question to themselves “Did my actions cause harm to another?”. Their self-importance is too great for that. The maximum I can ever hope for, with the current state of humanity is, they’ll think about it, but throw in a nice excuse. Usually “But I was stressed/busy/angry when I did it”. And that makes it okay.
So, sadly, it requires a lot of grey matter to not use it. Mainly because of humankind’s inability to accept personal responsibility, not because a clanker contains some unobtainable information.
i find it funny how some users tried to argue that they did most of the work. it doesnt matter if you did most of the work, everyone as students were supposed to learn to cite your sources. even if you just used claude to reorganize info, theres no reason why you would be against watermarking it unless you wanted to hide the fact you used claude.
all of them are just admitting that they're embarrassed about using AI instead of their own brains. of course, they don't know that because claude never told them.
Using the ai to help find the answers... ok. Using the ai to provide the answers... not ok. You still have to pull up the references or links it gives you and do the research.
Using the ai to help find the answers...
I think this is one of many reasons why search engines became so bad so that using AI could be promoted instead. I have turned to using AI for searching because of it.
Absolutely. You use soemthing like startpage or dogpile and it's night and fucking day to anything that uses google or google services. Yes i include ddg.
I turned to it 2022ish, bingai at the time was the best for finding sources, google was already rough because of promotion and seo shenanigans
except that those links are increasingly pointing to slop content anyway. Even scientific papers.
While I can appreciate that it's not a good thing to let AI do your work for you (not just laziness but hallucinations), I can see this is only going to encourage cheaters to use competitors to Claude.
Like Deepseek.
Would copying it in a text file not work? I mean Christ they are already skipping out on all the work they can't even copy it?
Its like asking the kid in class to copy his homework and then handing him a pencil and paper so he can copy it for you
Would copying it in a text file not work?
Because doing that doesn't change the contents of the text so the "watermark" is still there.
Ahhh I understand. So it is the actual usuage of words in a specific order?
Well paraphrasing would probably solve this problem then wouldn't it? Just paraphrase every line or paragraph saying the same thing but with different words
I was thinking it was an embedded watermark and if you just opened a text file and typed it all out on your own then it wouldn't flag it
Users: pay an oligopolist money.
Oligopolist: kills competition, enshittifies the product
Users: surprised pikachu
‘Sowwy! We so sowwwy we stole all your data’s! But pweeeease let us watermark our stuff!’
ESH
This comment on HN sums it up nicely:
So far we have a single ai vendor introducing a statistical bias to their generation that can make it simpler to identify genAI in some (longer) texts. We don’t know yet how effective that will be in practice
Technologically I think the issue is unsolvable. You can easily remove any "watermark" in text with minimal effort. However, as most users of AI are shockingly lazy it will probably be effective because they just can't be bothered. And of course we will end up with texts being flagged wrongly, with no way of proving the flagging system wrong. Just a complete shitshow.
And of course we will end up with texts being flagged wrongly, with no way of proving the flagging system wrong.
And of course people will have no understanding of base rate fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy
So how can people actually detect these watermarks, is it only accessible to the company that produced them?
“Who will get caught? You. The student who used Claude to reorganize a paragraph. The journalist who asked the AI to summarize a two-hundred-page transcript. The writer who had creative block and asked for synonyms. Those guys come out of the process with a digital tattoo on their forehead.”
Lol WUT?!?
Why in the name of god would a writer use a chat bot to ask for synonymous when they can use a thesaurus (website) instead?
“The only reason you wouldn’t want this is to lie to people.”
So Stan can't use ChatGPT to auto-reply to his girlfriend's ceaseless text messages anymore without her knowing he didn't write them
This is going to ruin a lot of inauthentic marriages :(


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