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[–] 61 points 3 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (25 children)

    Ahh, I've been speaking english for over a decade, and I still sometimes get caught up with these and say the opposite thing of what I want

    Like the whole thing of flammable and inflammable meaning the same thing.. just why?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Cuz the prefix "in-" can mean both "not" (as in invalid) and "to cause to be" (as in indebted)

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Romantic words were incorporated differently into other languages as the Roman Empire's influence spread. Words like inflammable have more direct Latin roots than words like indebt. So where Inflammable comes directy from the latin inflammo, indebt came from old French and middle English, going from something like endetter and endetten, using the root word dete and dette, but stemming from the root Latin word, debitum. Then en became in at some point.

    That's how I understood it anyway through a very short amount of google searching. Anyone feel free to correct me.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Because modern English is a combination of ancient Celtic languages with the various languages of the British Isles's numerous populators and conquering forces across history, including but not limited to: Latin, German, Norse, and French. And spelling wasn't really standardized until the printing press was invented, due in part to class stratification. But that's another story lol. Suffice it to say, it's more than a bit of a hodgepodge and you just gotta take it for what it is.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    What words come from Celtic languages? I thought it was all Germanic with Latin and French words being borrowed later.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    You won't be too surprised by some of them actually: bog, bourbon, druid, shamrock, corgi, whiskey, crumpet. Others you'll find here have more circuitous routes where maybe just one phoneme stems from old Gaelic or something, into Latin, into Germanic or Old French, then into Old English, like "ambassador." I'm guessing most of the really Celtic words are used in the British Isles more than elsewhere in the English-speaking world.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    "flammable" actually has an interesting story:

    Since 1980s use of the word, especially in safety warnings, has been sometimes discouraged lest it be misunderstood as "non-flammable" through confusion of the two prefixes in-.

    Ref: inflammable on Etymonline

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Merriam-Webster says this:

    "When cooking over a gas stove, avoid wearing loose, (flammable/inflammable) clothing that could catch fire easily." Which word is correct: flammable or inflammable?

    It's a trick question. Both flammable and inflammable are correct, as they both mean "capable of being easily ignited and of burning quickly." This makes no sense to the Modern English speaker. In English, we think of in- as a prefix that means "not": inactive means "not active," inconclusive means "not conclusive," inconsiderate means "not considerate." Therefore, inflammable should mean "not flammable."

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    What do you do? If you want to keep things crystal clear, choose flammable when you are referring to something that catches fire and burns easily, and use the relatively recent nonflammable when referring to something that doesn't catch fire and burn easily. Inflammable is just likely to enflame confusion.

    Personally I use "inflammable", but if I were writing warning posters I would have to reconsider that.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Cause the verb is inflame and means to place a flame in on on something, as opposed to not flame. The problem being in both inflammable and the issue the OP of the image is the notion of re-bracketing. Rather than think of it as [inflame]able it gets converted into in[flammable] in the minds of new readers/listeners which flips the in- prefix meaning to not rather than in/on like it is supposed to be.

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  • [+] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Went off really just means everything :3. "Wow you really went off on that guy" = yelled at someone, "the milk went off" = spoiled, "we went off on an adventure" = left to travel and so on

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Unlock-able versus un-lockable

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago
    [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Are we just making up language rules as we go?

    Yes, throughout history, in fact.

    And to answer the meme's question, it can have either definition based on the context of usage.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago*

    Depends on emphasis. Said with normal stress on the first syllable is "able to be unlocked".

    But if you pronounce it with extra emphasis on both of the first two syllables with a bit of a pause between, I think most people would think "not able to be locked". Very context dependent though

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    When you say that something is easily unlockable the second way sounds clunky, but both convey the same message that whatever it is, it is not secure

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    making up the rules as we go

    You seem unaware at how, while French is steered by a committee of linguists, English is steered by a mob of autofellatic influencerati fame-whores, all looking for differentiation and trends to manufacture. So fetch.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    The Académie Française is absolutely not a "committee of linguists". They're a bunch of rich conservatives who are way too high on nationalism, and they are infamous for going against the consensus of linguists (who they supposedly consult).

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Redminds of the German "umfahren" (run over) which is the exact opposit of "umfahren" (drive around). (First is pronounced with a tiny pause after the second letter; the other is not.)

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    almost always "able to be unlocked". "not able to be locked" is usually "non-lockable" or "not lockable".

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Highly illockable

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    could be both

    maybe it's a homonym

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I would never use that word in either context, neither one is coherent. I would say, Picard, where is Beverly Crusher! She must shackle me, before I am overcome!

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    I would say "non-lockable" means can't be locked, and "unlockable" means can be changed from locked to unlocked, implying also being lockable.

    But to answer the question, yes we are making up language as we go along. For one thing we've always done that, but recently the trend has accelerated as people strive to reduce complex ideas to simple, overgeneralized slang to avoid having to think as much or do as much thumb-typing.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Sokath, his eyes uncoverable.

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  • [+] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Curse you! 🙃

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Non-lockable feels like the right term.

    'Un-' directly implies undoing, an action. 'Non-' implies a status, a non-possibility.

    That's my two cents.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago
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    The issue is the fact that the opposite action of locking is called unlocking and not something like delocking.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    At the end, both are the same.

    You end up with something that isn't locked.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Literally yes, we are.

    Cause language is a toolkit to communicate ideas, and a toolkit frozen in glass is a useless toolkit.

    You need to swap out that hammer when it starts getting damaged, or put back a screwdriver when you find out you need it again, or add new tools when you find that the tools you have now aren't fit to purpose.

    And sure, there's some loose screws at the bottom of the bag, but they don't harm anything, and very occasionally they come in useful.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Nice shower thought.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    to unambiguously say "unable to be locked" would be "nonlockable"

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    I'm pretty sure one of those has a hyphen

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Unlockable = can’t be locked

    Unopenable = can’t be opened

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    *None-lockable

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Now I'm trying to think of a circumstance where something can be unlocked but not relocked. Like in a game you can just make a new account and achievements are relocked.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    For me, personally.. it means able to be unlocked. If I want to say the other thing, I say "it doesn't lock."

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Back in like 1st or 2nd grade the teacher introduced us to context clues for reading comprehension.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    /showerthoughts, no?

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    If you can't unlock it, is it really a lock?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    It means it gives the illusion of being locked, until an Israeli tech company plugs into it and unlocks it for the cops.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-tech-company-says-it-can-break-into-all-iphones-ever-made-some-androids/

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Nothing is unlockable with the right epoxy.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yep. Language can be funny like that. You are either modifying the adjective "lockable" with the prefix "un-", or you are modifying the verb "unlock" into an adjective by adding "-able" at the end. Words can have multiple definitions, yay!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Locks should always be able to be reversed. Locking something is restricting access, not denying it entirely. You don't weld a door shut and call it locked.

    Poe didn't write a tale about Fortunato being locked downstairs.

    "Sealed", "buried", "entombed", "immured" - all perfectly good terms for closing access to something with the intent of the closure being permanent.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    both, but not at the same time. words change meaning with context. thats why there often are several definitions of a single word.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I would say "un" implies a reversal of some state. More clear would be "not lockable", so most people would use this. Unlockable is much more likely to mean able to reverse the state of being locked.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think I've ever used the word "unlockable".

    "The closet doors in my house don't have locks", is probably what I'd say.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Both definitions refer to the same thing, right? A locked lock is unlockable. It cannot be locked further, AND it can be unlocked.

    Vice versa for the unlocked lock.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Why would unlockable mean able to be unlocked?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    unlock-able = able to be unlocked

    un-lockable = unable to be locked

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    @The_Picard_Maneuver You know we are... every rule gets a 'but maybe', 'except for when', 'never mind, nothing means what you think and everything means something AND nothing at all but also whatever you want it to mean.'

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