Classic trump: don't ask for consent, just grab em by the pussy.
Imprison the whole crew and confiscate all the gear.
Classic trump: don't ask for consent, just grab em by the pussy.
Imprison the whole crew and confiscate all the gear.
Arkham est fermé ?
How do they afford the impossibly cheap gas at the special Trump gas stations? Stealing the oil.
They already have Venezuela for that
Not sure if it matters, but Venezuelas oil is heavy crude. Its good for bunker fuel for ships, but cant be easily made into gasoline.
Also, I doubt we are there for oil-- even if we are pretending we are. It'll be for something else.
US refineries are specialized for it. Which is why it is so important to the US. Refineries aren't cheap and refitting them ain't cheap. Built on the idea that we could indefinitely exploit South America.
Only Citgo
Singer acquired Citgo at a bargain price in large part due to the embargo, with limited exceptions, on Venezuela oil imports to the United States. Citgo’s refiners are purpose-built to process heavy-grade Venezuelan “sour” crude. As a result, Citgo was forced to source oil from more expensive sources in Canada and Colombia. (Oil produced in the United States is generally light-grade.) This made Citgo’s operations far less profitable.
Keep an eye on them, and as soon as they start drilling, put the cuffs on them and confiscate the equipment.
Greenland and countries that are friendly with Greenland need to show up with their military and tell those oil companies to F off
The amoral West has to cannibalize itself if it cannot feed on the rest of world as easily, and it won't be long until we're back in the "white on white wars" days. Ofc, everyone else will suffer but that's just life, I guess.
So you're telling me that Illegal immigrants from America are crossing the border to work in Greenland without the proper visas?
How interesting.
Fuck America and Americans... Jesus
Come on, man… I’m not in charge of anything over here
How convenient. Where's this humility when you blamed middle easterners for their dictators?
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the separation of government with a population.
Lol at Americans saying this. Big lmfao. Different energy from yanks on the internet over the past 10 years. Hope you like the taste of humble pie
When did I do that? I’ve never pointed my finger at someone from the Middle East and blamed them.
Seriously. Where are you from? Now take the worst people there, that's your fault mate.
Go do something about it instead of arguing online with me
What do you do for your country?
Oh, nothing? Nice.
You're going to have to come up with something better than that kid.
You still haven't graced us with the name of your amazing country.
Are you asking us?
Well here's an idea get your fucking mitary to go tell them to get the fuck out.
Problem solved.
Isn’t this a company unloading their boat? Maybe they get the ok to drill, maybe they don’t. They can ship their equipment all around the world and it’s only a big deal if they do something with it.
Shall I come into your house with a bag ready to fill with your valuables? Maybe I get the OK to take everything, maybe I don't.
If I have a big driveway and a sign that says “15 mins max loading zone” I don’t really care what you do there. If you walk into my house uninvited then we’ll have problems.
more foreign nukes in Cuba
maybe they destroy America, maybe they don't
They can ship their equipment all around the world
No they can't? I mean they can in the sense that they are able, but they don't have any right to do so.
Isn't this a dude unloading his pants? If he gets the ok can't he just stick it anywhere he wants?
Dear Greenland,
You cannot allow this. Whatever political moves you are thinking about making, whatever rebuff you are considering, this can't be allowed to happen.
I say this as an American. You can't reason with Trump by letting him violate your borders. I know it may be hard to envision, but you are the natives in a moment of imperial expansion. Your schools are better than ours; you should know what that means. Trump is taking moves from Putin, Hitler, and even the British fucking Empire. You're Hawaii, telling the fruit companies to fuck off, but with oil.
Jessica Berlin is right. Remove or destroy those machines now. The moment you let the US break ground, you have signaled your own defeat.
Trump is also desperate to stay in power. With midterms fast approaching uncertainty of his power grows. This is a dangerous time. Trump is willing to do anything and I mean anything to stay in power. All out world war is certainty on the table.
This might just be the catalyst he wants.
As a Dane, this is not Greenland's decision. They're 50k people. Denmark and the EU as a whole needs to take this fight, Greenland doesn't have the power to say no in any serious capacity.
I assume that a Danish frigate is being moved into position. Is Vædderen perhaps coincidentally lounging in Reykjavík?
True enough, I looked up the population a while after making this comment but I was afk. I don't see the EU taking up the fight though. I guess papa putin gets another thing he wants. NATO getting pulled apart.
It's a really complex situation, but ultimately I think you're right.
Even between two willing and eager trading partners, sovereign nation or not, just showing up with your gear without an inked contract is an overstep. It's entirely appropriate to say "hey load that gear back on to your boat within 3 days", lest you end up with a fait accompli.
This should be seen as an invasion, but I doubt anyone is willing to stand up to him. I doubt carney will do anything.
Although the project has not been approved, a Greenland Energy representative said a vessel carrying additional drilling equipment would depart Canada in September, with drilling set to begin in October.
Sounds like Canada needs to put those elbows up for once, and stop that equipment from leaving port.
That's not really how ports work though? Authorities don't need to approve the purpose and destination of outbound ships.
That's exactly how ports work. If Canada suspects that a ship is transporting cargo to an unauthorized location, they can absolutely seize the ship.
I dont think that's generally true.
Its up to the port of arrival to reject an incoming ship or specific cargo. In some cases the the destination may have an arrangement where by the port of departure allows the destinations customs officers to pre-screen departures.
Ports of departure can't seize outbound ships carrying corporate non-trade cargo because it's unclear whether they will be able to land at their purported destination. That's not a thing.
Yeah, no. It's up to both ends to make sure that what's on those ships, is legal. You need to file paperwork with both ports, making sure that what you are loading, is going to a place that you are legally allowed to unload.
Imagine the shit-storm that would come our way, if Canadian ports simply "allowed" cargo containers full of weed to be shipped to China. What's the problem? It's legal here, so who cares where it's going, right?
No. It can't be allowed to leave, if it doesn't have a legal destination. We have obligations to observe international shipping laws. If we didn't, then every ship leaving Canadian ports would need to be searched and possibly seized, just in case...no matter where they are going, or what's on board.
Its as though you didn't read my comment.
Seizing a ship with non-trade goods would cause an international incident.
So would allowing them to use a Canadian port to once again violate international law. By launching an illegal drilling operation from Canadian soil, they would be making Canada at least somewhat complicit. It's not like Canada can pretend they didn't know what was happening.
It's absurd to suggest that ports of departure are responsible for the ships that leave their ports.
If that's how things worked, that vessel would just log a plan to return to somewhere in the US.
The vessel is carrying industrial equipment. There's no clear and present risk of imminent harm.
Yes, if Canada was aware that the ship was carrying weapons of mass destruction, or biological pathogens, they might have a responsibility to detain the ship.
What's also absurd is Canada allowing its ports to be used as a staging ground for what is essentially the opening salvos of a US invasion of one of our other allies. This isn't "just some ship carrying industrial equipment". It is a hostile expeditionary force, intent on illegally occupying a Canadian ally's territory.
Doing nothing in this case would put Canada on the wrong side of events that could potentially lead to a conflict with the rest of NATO. This is not an accident. Allowing the US to use Canadian ports like this, would put Canada in an impossible position with the rest of our allies in Europe. It cannot be allowed.
That's just not true. If it were a hostile invasion then Canada couldn't them. If there are no weapons then it's not hostile - precisely why it's been et up this way.
There's every chance they will be granted peermission to dig before they arrive in Greenland.
So you think Canada just "playing dumb" will convince people that we didn't know what the US was doing?
Mate we're two idiots on social media discussing what the US is doing. Everyone knows. There's no playing dumb.
My point is, Canada is unable to seize ships sailing under a foreign flag without a legal pretext.
Mate we're two idiots on social media discussing what the US is doing. Everyone knows. There's no playing dumb.
That was my point. Canada can't just pretend they don't know what's going to happen if that ship is allowed to bring that equipment to Greenland. Which means they either allow our ports to be used by the US to invade another country...or they don't.
Allowing our country to be used as a staging area for the illegal occupation of an ally's territory should be all the "legal pretext" we need to tell the US to go fuck themselves. If we let them drag our country into this, then our government just put us on the wrong side of whatever inevitably comes next.
Do you honestly think Canada will side with the US over the rest of NATO? Or even just sit back and watch them invade Greenland, and pretend like there was nothing we could have done to at least distance ourselves from the conflict, by telling the US they can't use our ports for this?
Its not an invasion.
Quite obviously, if it were a military convoy that would be a different situation.
So, now we're back to pretending we don't know what the US is doing? This is an invasion, just with extra steps.
Step 1: Set up an unauthorized drilling site in someone else's territory, knowing that the local government is going to say, "You can't do that."
Step 2: The local government says, "You can't do that."
Step 3: Send troops to "defend" US equipment and personnel from potential retaliation by the local government...even though that was never a real threat.
Unauthorized civilian incursion = inevitable military occupation. "Playing dumb" just makes us look either complicit, or hopelessly stupid. And no one is that stupid.
That's a fairly odd way to look at things.
An invasion is a specific thing well defined by international treaties and history. You can't just label an approaching vessel with industrial equipment as "an invasion" based on the vibe.
In the delicate tête-à-tête of global politics each move needs to be carefully and cautiously considered.
Canada can't simply seize a US vessel because they don't like the intentions of it's owners. If you did, the owners would simply say they had no intention of landing without proper authorisation.
Also, the US can't deploy it's military to protect civilian equipment. That is very clearly an act of war.
An invasion is a specific thing well defined by international treaties and history. You can't just label an approaching vessel with industrial equipment as "an invasion" based on the vibe.
Ummm...no, man. An invasion is when you take control of land that doesn't belong to you. It can also be called an "annexation" or an "occupation". And no one needs to "declare" anything. You just have to cross the border into someone else's territory with your military, and then "not leave".
As for "acts of war", do you believe Putin when he says that the invasion of Ukraine and the war they've been fighting for the last few years, was just a "special military operation"?
And are you seriously arguing that Canada has no control over who is allowed to come and go from our own ports? That the US can simply move whatever they want through them, for any reason, and Canada has no say in the matter? Seriously? Canadian ports don't belong to the Americans. They are not international property.
Canadian authorities stop, board and size cargo from departing ships all the time, if they are carrying unauthorized cargo destined for somewhere it isn't allowed to go. They don't just look the other way, and say, "Oh well. That's their problem", and let it go.
An invasion is when you take control of land that doesn’t belong to you
So according to your own definition, no invasion is underway.
if they are carrying unauthorized cargo destined for somewhere it isn’t allowed to go
... and by this test, Canadian authorities have no reason to intervene in this matter.
I guess I'll just repost what I wrote earlier, since you didn't actually read it...
So, now we're back to pretending we don't know what the US is doing? This is an invasion, just with extra steps.
Step 1: Set up an unauthorized drilling site in someone else's territory, knowing that the local government is going to say, "You can't do that."
Step 2: The local government says, "You can't do that."
Step 3: Send troops to "defend" US equipment and personnel from potential retaliation by the local government...even though that was never a real threat.
Unauthorized civilian incursion = inevitable military occupation.
"Playing dumb" just makes us look either complicit, or hopelessly stupid. And no one is that stupid.
As for the last part...the US is not authorized to drill in Greenland. How does that not fit the criteria of "unauthorized"?
It reeks of new military base
They don't need any of this bullshit to set up a new military base. For one thing, they can just move back into one of their many old military bases. For another, there is an agreement with Denmark from the 50s that they can set up as many bases as they like. That's why this particular stream of manure emanating from Trump's mouth is particularly ridiculous.
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