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Why do Republicans insist on making DSA sound so fucking cool?
Even for people that think that they are against democratic socialism, there's no way they read this and think that's a bad thing. This reads like something that's used to promote DSA rather than fear monger. It's out of character for Republicans to slander something so softly without any sort of hate rhetoric or other blasphemy.
Really, who can read this and say, yea, I want the power to stay with the wealthy and not be with the people other than wealthy people? I would have guessed this were satire if I just saw it in passing.
Feel free to listen to their Fox News attacks on AOC. Their audience has been trained to automatically hate her and anything she does, so they can present her platform straightforwardly and without fear of losing their audience.
Hassan Piker is another guy that often gets criti-praised.
The details are academic unless we can get them in power. One step at a time. We all need to pull together.
"...replace capitalism with democratic socialism..."
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Anyone thinking this is real (“dOnt TheaTeN mE wiTh a gOOd tIMe”, “They’re trying to scaremonger”) is a fucking moron. Republicans are evil and often stupid, but not stupid enough to word an ad like that. They’re well aware that “corporations and wealthy owners” has a negative connotation and “workers and the public” has a positive one. Please be more skeptical.
Yeah it's highly satirical, but I don't doubt some of MAGA will think it legit. How they react though...
You heard Mike Johnson campaigning for the DSA in front of the whole country, right? Using scary Boogeyman language to describe perfectly reasonable and honorable things?
No, I didn’t hear that. Did he try to spin it in his favor with his word choice? Because that would be the opposite of what this post is doing.
Well, here's my take: I don't know for 100% sure exactly what the US looks like if all the DSA goals are met. But I know what it looks like now, and I know that at least MOST of what they're proposing sounds pretty damned useful.
If DSA can win, I suspect some of the more fringe stuff might not make it as-is. But the things most people actually support - wealth equality, social safety nets, universal healthcare, livable wages and mayve even universal income..... we can agree on enough basics that I feel confident we can work out the rest.
Tineye only reveals a couple of hits on imagur. This isn't an official image coming from the Republican party, but a mock-up done privately.
I know a lot of conservatives because I work at a national company and have to deal with these cucks. But this message would absolutely align with them and make them pro Democratic socialists.
They aren't friends with billionaires. They're complaining about gas prices and food prices like all of us. They are sick of our taxes going to war.
Why is this image stamped by a republican party?
A party is not a unity, it is an amalagamation of people aligned under a set of common goals
The less common goals there area the bigger the tent and the higher probability of those common goals passing, but also a higher probability of group discord as more and more diverse ideas find polarizing and unresolving counterparts within the tent
It is party leadership, and thus the people already within the tent, to carefully determine which goals to propose, because too few or narrow goals and the niche is too small to find majority support, but if the goals are too many or too broad then the group can become too big and rip itself apart like an overblown balloon
So, its a fine balance of making goals wide enough to capture enough to get them acheived, but not so much that it stalls or pops
Its up to the individual to look at a party's goals and their own goals and determine if they can tolerate being under that tent or not .
I think under the current election system, all individual voters are having to tolerate so much to receive so little - i dont know if there is any person who truly feels seen and represented by their state and federal elections - i hope at least a few are in city and county elections
could be better, i think a lot about liquid democracy and consent based voting
They're trying to fear monger. They have their constituents trained to short circuit and hate anything they label as communist/socialist. Its like that Fox News screenshot with all the barely centrist very normal stuff that "lEfTiStS" want to do.
Looks like a news letter from comal county Texas Republican HQ. Most likely to fear monger their base
Yes, but message is too stuffy. Just say,
"Billionaires, who are predators, stole the world. They made life terrible for everyone without a private jet and now we want to take it back for all of you, because we are also you."
The DSA dosent even know what it wants? They’re literally campaigning and endorse capitalist who owns rental rental properties, but won’t endorse actual socialist.
Replace capitalism is misleading tbh
Don't get me wrong I want them to win. I'd rather have them over Republicans or establishment Dems but these guys don't want to get rid of capitalism they just want to regulate it and build a stronger welfare state on top.
It’s pretty clear that they, whom ever that might be, is already trying to split the democratic vote. Stay focused my people.
Tbh a ton of people across the political spectrum agree with that statement. Unfortunately the only tool dsa seems to bring is price controls, basically trading corporations for a completely inept and unaccountable government body. It's a short term solution with populists blundering around implementing controls over stuff they don't understand. Why would we trust these politicians to make economic decisions that have huge impact, despite a complete lack of qualifications?
Its working pretty good for Mamdani.
He got a degree in Africana studies. I'm sure you understand being skeptical of his knowledge on economics... his policies are popular, but that's not at all the same as being good in the long term. I guess time will tell.
He got a degree in Africana studies.
Do you realize how racist that makes you sound?
If you intentionally misunderstood my point in order to make it about race, that's on you.
Then what was the point of bringing up the Africana studies?
It's his degree and it has nothing to do with economics. My point is that he has no formal education in economics.
Ok and? Most lawyers dont have degrees in economics and yet congress is overwhelmingly made up of lawyers. But you're not crying about congress being woefully lacking in economics degrees.
Whattabout Congress? Yes, they are also woefully lacking in economics qualifications. That's how we are in a perpetual cycle of increasing entitlements driving inflation in the first place. But then Mamdani kicking the inflation machine into high gear while trying to control prices can only end in economic disaster.
But for some reason youre hyperfocused on El-Sayed and Mandani and not the overall irrelevant qualifications. And clearly Mamdani's policies are actually working, the budget is balanced. And explain to me how the fuck Mandani, a mayor of a city, has any effect on the federal reserve's monetary printing policy.
Monetary policy is only one possible factor for driving inflation. High demand and cost of goods and services are other major factors, which Mamdani definitely has influence over. Also anyone can balance a budget for the short term. That's my whole point, that these short term policies are popular, but devastating in the long term if you don't actually know what you are doing.
His policies can't be any worse than the trickle down bullshit we've been attempting and failing with for the 40 years.
Well you won't find me defending corporate welfare.
Then what will I find you doing? Because going after brown mayors breaking from the corporate favoring policy seems to be in your wheelhouse. Clearly by your comment history youre coming to blows a lot more with progressives constantly naysaying any forward progress and defending conservative bullshit.
That's because it's lemmy, almost entirely progressives. The populists on the conservative side making bad policy are slashing funding with little regard for long term impact that's just as harmful as the populist leftist approaches, you just don't see me having those conversations here because nobody on lemmy is advocating for it. I think policy should encourage competition and that's about it. At least in regards to economic issues. The market can sort these things out if it is allowed to work, as long as there is healthy competition.
Bullshit, lemmy is not a monolith. Believe me you can find conservatives on lemmy, they have their own cesspool communities here, go slop it up there if you don't like conservatives either, and theres no shortage of conservative bootlicking chucklefucks bringing their flaming garbage everywhere here.
What, you annoyed because I interrupted the circle jerk with a different opinion? Do you actually think it would be more fun or intellectually stimulating if I dropped a standard response like the rest of these bots? Most threads are so boring, the same opinions repeated throughout the thread but trying to one up each other in how hard they agree, craving the validation they get from a few up clicks. What a miserable and boring existence. Sounds like this conversation has run it's course though, so i will leave you to it.
What opinions did you bring? The only thing you brought to the discussion was Mamdani's Africana Studies degree, as if that was in any way relevant to the discussion. You've brought nothing of substance to the discussion and at this point we've completely gotten off topic of the original post.
If you wanted to understand my comment, you could. And if you just want to be outraged over something I never meant then carry on, but I have no interest in playing a part in your self righteous fantasy.
Ok fascist.
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From the guy who's entire comment history is reactionary right wing shit and only contribution to the comment thread is racist dogwhistling. If it sounds like a nazi, and goosesteps like a nazi, its a nazi.
I bet you see lots of Nazis
Ive opened up history books, and you're not denying it. So if you would kindly go recreate the events of Berlin April 30, 1945.
I'm not a Nazi you moron.
Your comment history is public, you moron. You continuously espouse right-wing talking points, you've expressed how you would be fine with most people on Lemmy dying, youre constantly bringing up racist dogwhistles, the reciepts are there, you can't/didn't hide them. so as I said before, go recreate the events of Berlin April 30th 1945.
I've literally never wished death on anyone at all, ever. Nor have I ever dog whistled for racists. But i have definitely dog whistled for hypocrites. Sorry that your ears perked up.
Nothing says "totally not racist and totally not defending Republicans" like bringing up Africana Studies on a post about how Republicans are failing at making the most bland DSA policies sound like "ooh scary communism!"
I've seen you uncritically accept the narrative of "parents rights" from right wingers, or continue to obfuscate it behind the "iTs AbOuT eThIcS iN gAmEs JoUrNaLiSm" type obfuscation.
My ears perk up because I have been seeing the same barely concealed strategies for the last 70+ years, the specific words might change but the meanings certainly haven't and don't need to be Lee Atwater to understand the dogwhistles and point them out.
If you see everything through the lens of racism, then we can't even have a conversation because I'm not talking about anything race related at all. Race is literally irrelevant to my point.
Nope. I pick and choose which lenses seem most appropriate to any given scenario. Ive got quite a few lenses to choose from. Most of the time my preferred lens is owners vs workers. Unfortunately that lens doesn't really provide much when you are clearly more vocal about the education standards of brown people in politics than the education standards of white people in politics.
If you think the only tool the DSA brings is price controls, I invite you to read their platform
Yes... completely unelected undemocratic, actually non-transparent and greedy/profit seeking by design private companies will certainly be more effective, the government totally can't hire their skilled folk.
Yeah and that's a really big problem. There's no cohesive plan for anything. Mostly the polices are just vague "socialism and stuff" and a hatred of Jews. Some DSAs hate just the Jews in Israel and others hate all Jews.
Everyone in the DSA seems to look the other way about antisemitism because they've been given the permission structure to consider any hateful comments about Jews to be "criticizing Israel" even when it's about Jews in their community that have never set foot in Israel. If anyone in the DSA calls out the antisemitism they know they will be harassed by the hatemongers within the group. Seems the common thread in the group, denial of antisemitism.
The DSA is to Democrats as MAGA is to Republicans. A group that's all about grievances and racist dog whistles that is trying to take over a mainstream political party to force their will onto others. But just like MAGA, there's no real policies, just vague vibes that are centered around "owning" their political enemies. And like MAGA there's a genuine fear of harassment that keeps everyone in the group in line.
Just another brand of fascist in fascist America.
That's a lot to say without backing it up. Got any links?
I could just link to the site you're currently on. Just read the comments in leftist threads. I've had people tell me they're for genocide of all Jews, and it's the general consensus on leftist lemmy that harrrassing the Jews in their communities is completely fine. Stochastic terrorism is commonplace here.
You just need to google any story posted by leftists and find it on another source to get more information to understand that what gets posted here is propaganda. They leave out any information that's inconvenient to their narrative. They'll say someone got arrested for protesting when they actually get arrested for violent crimes, which they leave out because they want the narrative to be that they're being oppressed peaceful protesters.
The number one target for hate crimes are Jews these days. These hate crimes spike whenever there's activity in the middle east. You will never hear about that in leftist circles. Too inconvenient. So you need to goolge the data on that yourself.
And if you ask a "socialist" about anything to do with public policy, they don't have any cohesive answers. Just vague slogans and repeating whatever wealthy monetized influencers tell them to say.
Just read lemmy, not from the perspective that these are your "allies" but from a more critical perspective. Socialism is just an aesthetic for most people. Put on a Che Guevara T-Shirt in your college dorm and say some slogans about the "workers of the world uniting" despite the fact that the university crowd is not the working class. The actual working class is generally despised by leftists, it's mostly a fantasy where college kids pretend they are the oppressed working class. But that's just half-hearted bullshit they'll grow out of. The real driving force of the present day leftist movement is hatred of Jews and that's what will stick with people for the rest of their lives.
Leftists do everything they can to avoid having any discussion about antisemitism, even when it's painfully obvious to anyone outside their group. They dismiss any claims of antisemitism as an attack originating from... well guess who? So these problems will not be addressed by leftists and the movement will continue to degrade further into becoming a fascist hate movement.
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