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[–] 96 points 3 months ago (1 child)

Headline:

Signal is working on registration without a phone number. But what form will it take?

30 July 2026 10:30 CEST

Signal is working on a way to optionally sign up without a phone number. The feature has not yet been officially confirmed, and it is not yet known whether it will be available to all users or in what form.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    I've always said it. Best form to prevent spam is to have allow list as a default. You should only be able to receive messages from pre-approved people.

    I have allow listed my email for ages and it's great.

    But obviously advertisers and business hate it because then they need your true consent to send you shit.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    And in the case of Telegram, if they did that why would anyone sign up for their premium account?

    I tried using Telegram and the amount of spam I would receive was annoying, but what was even more annoying was finding out that the 'Restrict messages from users not in your contacts' setting is paywalled. Telegram profits off of the spammers on their network.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Just a FYI, the nomenclature has moved to block/allow lists.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago

    Another W for Signal

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    They say they need to figure out how to counter/avoid spam/abuse first. And that makes a lot of sense to me. I mean, just look at Telegram (which is ironically going the opposite route nowadays).

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Telegram requires a phone number, last I checked, and Desktop needs to be signed in to from mobile. So the same as Signal for "Abuse Prevention" (TM)

    And it's only good for connecting to bot networks to deliver... Questionable content.

    Most of my torrents ceom from Telegram bots, now that sites keep getting taken down who hosted them.

    As to actually using it?

    Well, the only contacts I have are pirate bots, and that will never change.

    Still more than I have on Signal, though ;)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I don't believe Telegram desktop needed a mobile connection before and I used it for years and didn't use a mobile client. I mostly used it as a bridge client for IRC and Matrix as the client itself was superior if you didn't need privacy or encryption.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

    Telegram requires a phone number, last I checked

    (which is ironically going the opposite route nowadays)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Well, I was worried about losing contact with the bots when I cancel my phone service, but maybe I won't have to ;)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    You can keep your number when switching networks.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not switching, I'm cutting the phone entierly, no point in spending $100 a month to pay for spyware in my pocket as they keep taking features I want out and shoving more AI I don't into them all while destroyihng encryption and extending the data collection and sales.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    You should try GrapheneOS. It has none of that bullshit, and you don't need to pay $100 per month if you use a cheaper sub brand like Visible or Mint instead of main Verizon/T-Mobile.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    If I could get it on payments like they do Googlified ones I would, can't afford to drop the cash for a Pixel to flash, or to order one with Graphene on it already.

    Already on Lineage for the old tablet, and it mostly works, though they don't sandbox Play Services like Graphene does so I just don't have them on there.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    You can get a Pixel on credit from the Google store website and those models are unlocked.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    This is the main reason I don't use Signal, so depending on if and how it gets implemented, I may finally use it. Getting other people on board will be its own fight of course.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago

    Ten years too late.

    This could have had a far greater impact when whatsapp exodus or controversy happend in 2021. I bet they have reached a stall in the number of new accounts and donations are drying out.

    I have also read rumors about them thinking about tying this to a one time payment to prevent bot registration

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Will this allow people to install it on multiple devices? Right now I can't have it on my phone AND tablet and it sucks...

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Not my experience:

    • Signal (Android) on my phone
    • alternative client (SfOS) on the same phone
    • Signal desktop on my Linux laptop

    All work with the same number/registration, i.e. they're in sync.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    While I don't use it because of privacy concerns over the number I have it installed, and configured to recieve messages from people who insit on it.

    I have it on my phone, and linked to Desktop via the native Linux port, but if I log in to my table it logs me out of my phone.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    They already lost users in authoritarian countries like Russia or China, where Signal is blocked and you can't get an SMS via a VPN, so registration or logging in with 2FA becomes impossible.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    It would be good if true, for a privacy first chat, asking for your phone number is the first and biggest red flag.

    Someone knows how Delta Chat handles the spam problem? Or spam is only a problem that comes with wider adoption?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Haven’t they been working on this for months? I could have sworn I heard of this well over a year ago.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Sooo instead you will be required to pay by card and thus have your identity proven by financial institutions behind? Big ooof.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I think you're jumping the gun a bit. They're just saying that requiring a phone number added a barrier against spammers and they want to be sure this change doesn't open the flood gates.

    From the article:

    "We gotta figure out some way to induce a cost for signing up without a phone number”, Kret said.

    It’s unclear whether this means that registration without a phone number will become a paid feature.

    However, “cost” does not necessarily mean a monetary fee; it could also refer to another barrier designed to prevent abuse.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Even if it was a card, privacy.com for the win as it allows for any address and name to be used with their debit cards!

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    For the low, low price of the transaction fee and all data about the transaction!

    Is there a system in the US that doesn’t need an overhaul at this point?

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    We had an encrypted chat for a bit before I realized it was completely pointless with literally everyone in it but one or two having entirely stock phones with in-built Ai and tracking mechanisms. We used XMPP.

    Since it was for a Jellyfin server, it basically meant anyone on an unmodified Google or Apple phone was basically a door to a seach of that data from either company for the text logged into each chatroom by each user, and displayed. Unless everyone is secure, no one is.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Considering I've been sending everyone to Session instead, since I refuse to put a phone number linked to my name, address, and payment information in to a "privacy focused" messenger...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    I have no idea if this is true or not. But I heard the government has an app called “Pegasus 2”that can read all of your signal messages as long as they know your phone number.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    While the capabilities of Pegasus may vary over time due to software updates, Pegasus is generally capable of reading text messages, call snooping, collecting passwords, location tracking, accessing the target device's microphone and camera, and harvesting information from apps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_%28spyware%29

    Once installed, Pegasus has been reported to be able to run arbitrary code, extract contacts, call logs, messages, photos, web browsing history, settings, as well as gather information from apps including but not limited to communications apps iMessage, Gmail, Viber, Facebook, WhatsApp, Telegram, and Skype.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    "Once installed" is operative here. Pegasus isnt a magic wand that you can swish to read all text messages on every phone. It needs to be deployed.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    "Once installed" is operative here. Pegasus isnt a magic wand that you can swish to read all text messages on every phone. It needs to be deployed.

    indeed, unless you're a target for a state or a company that cares to spend money to spy on you, you don't need to worry about pegasus

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    If your phone has been compromised, nothing is safe. That’s not a signal problem.

    Throw the phone away and get another one.

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  • [+] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Weird I have never experienced this (or it was so long ago I don't remember). We've been using Signal absolutely reliably for our family Chat for many years now, and also with other friends.

    I don't think Google Play Services are required, but

    your power optimisation settings might prevent signal from running in the background

    could have sth to do with it. And that's accessible through Settings, an App Permissions thing IIRC (although I never needed to do that manually either).

    PS: I sent you a dm on a different matter.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Ive had this issue as well. I find it happens when i leave my wifi and go to cell signal. Not sure if its the same for you. I dont think ive had it be almost a week later but its been a few hours or maybe a day

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Honestly in an effort to avoid american tools I went for ot then I found out the guy behind SimpleX is a climate change denier Maga supporter and all around lunatic and regardless that the project is open source I don't want to be found near that thing.

    Sessions seems to be a decent alternative though but if I want a chance to convert people to try to use more privacy respecting chat tools Signal is the best compromise.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    simplex is European. it's developed in the UK, though has had funding from American technofascists.

    I suggest you read up on the software.

    Russia is big mad about it, and likely will be banned in the US soon for similar reasons.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I have already done enough research on it. I am not touching that software with a 10ft pole. I even sat through the whole techlore interview and was somewhat into the project. But then when I discorvered his socials it came crashing down. I also have to admit that I find it odd that it's in the UK with shit privacy laws.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I guess if they optionally required some crypto payment instead of phone number it would made some people happy. Will be interesting to see where does this go.

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  • [+] -24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)
  • This has literally zero correlation with whether you can search your contacts by phone number, it is in fact the exact opposite

    This is creating a signal account that has no phone number associated with it.

    From the article:

    "The ability to register for Signal without a phone number is a frequently requested feature. While Signal hides phone numbers by default and gives users control over who can discover them, some users would still like the option to create an account without using a phone number."

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