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[–] 136 points 3 months ago (6 children)

To be fair it took a lot of incest to make the Habsburgs what they were.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    Targaryens also were around for at least the same time, maybe more, because they were already considered an old house when Daenys foresaw the doom, and that was like 500 years before the game of thrones story

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Incest was rare, even among the historical pre-Westeros Targaryens. Definitely also rare in Valyria. There were a shit ton of noble houses that ruled Valyria, and this ensured a complex web of political scheming, while also diluting the incest problem. Now, another thing that also caught my attention when reading Fire and Blood is that Targaryens are, health wise, flimsy as fuck. They die like flies of things others would survive. They are also prone to neurodivergency and many were labeled as weak of disposition and often not very athletic. It is what makes the odd tale of a Targaryen with strength and prowess for combat actually stand out. So in many more ways than just facial structure, incest seems to be affecting them somehow.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    That's true, the incenst is only necessary to keep the dragon riding blood in the family, if most of the noble houses have dragon riding blood then it doesn't matter.

    There is also the problem of the stillborn babies with dragon wings and scales.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I went back to the book and it says "It had long been the custom amongst the dragonlords of Valyria to wed brother to sister, to keep the bloodlines pure".

    This is in the context of Aegon the Conqueror, so, yes it was already a practice before the Doom.

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  • [–] 70 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    If you re-record a VHS tape once, it’ll probably look just as good as the first recording.

    If you reuse the same tape over and over again it starts to get wonky.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    "For House Targaryen, the ideal marriage was brother-to-sister, or failing that, marrying close kin such as cousins, uncles, or nieces. This practice preserved the "blood of the dragon," "

    Imma say this meme hits the nail on the head there

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Heavily depends on when in the timeline you're looking at. They had stopped the sibling boinking for a good while by the time A Game of Thrones starts.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Her parents and grandparents were both siblings were they not? The only way she could have gotten more inbred was if she was a daughter of twins lol

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Were they? I though they stopped that a few centuries previously due to pressure from the church.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Her parents were the mad king and his sister wife Rhaella. Who bore 8 kids, 3 made it to "adults". The first being Rhaegar. The biological father of Jon Snow. Meaning the two main characters who were aunt/nephew, fucked and Jon's kids could have been his cousins if she had gotten pregnant

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Is that Sweet Dee Reynolds? I think you are better off with the Habsburg

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago

    Because at some point they decided that we couldn't have ugly people in fictional roles anymore ever. Like less than before and there weren't that many before.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    the craziest thing is how you'll be prowling around wikipedia and find some entry about an unknown 14th century ruler who was physically deformed and couldn't string a coherent sentence together.

    and you laugh: look at those uneducated, slobby 14th century citizens who went with the flow of things.

    then you see an interview with RFK jr. and you wave it away, because even if you notice how much he fits the profile, you think to yourself: "there's someone in charge who would prevent this in 2026," and get back to your tiktok feed of blonde influencers in nondescript luxury apartments showing off their morning routine.

    "things are normal', you keep telling yourself. there's someone in charge who knows what they're doing--some higher power to guide us.

    nah, it's only _______. but we're not allowed to say that word.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    Conspiracy theory time:

    It's all a psy-op from the elite ruling shadowy cabal of billionaires to make us think their inbreeding turned them into the elves they were promised they'd be, and not the ghoulish goblins they became.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    And it was the painter’s job to make them look reasonably good…so whatever he looked like in reality was probably worse.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago*

    Cause in fiction the rulers are actually god's chosen with magical gifts unlike real world claims by the nobility.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Bruh... look at the author and the books.

    'Member when Daenerys gets sold to the huge sweaty barbarian dude, and a few minutes later he's tearing that shit up from behind barbarian style and he makes it clear he has no interest in talking or her as a person and she only exists to fuck and bear his spawn?

    Then when she's horrified and sad and doesn't know what to do and feels trapped she talks to another girl and gets the sage advice to take over and be the boss in the bedroom, and the next scene is her getting on top and taking charge sexually?

    Yeah, in the actual books she's 13. That whole bit of story line is about a child being raped and then that child 'learning to like it' and how to 'give a man what he needs' so that she can matter to him.

    That happens in the very first book. They first have rapey time in her 2nd chapter in the book. 84 pages into the story. GRRM started writing with this part in mind.

    And you're surprised dude made incest between (sometimes) consenting adults something with no real repercussions?

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Incest offspring usually looks fine and has a normal life (apart from the extreme predisposition to cancer, etc.)

    We shouldn't stigmatize the victims. They have to tolerate enough terrible shit.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Charles II of Spain in particular, who's depicted here, is kind of an outlier. His body was so fucked up it's hard to tell if the post mortem report is genuine or if the guy writing it didn't embellish it by an insane degree. We do know that intellectually disabled to some degree, in addition to the numerous physical illnesses he suffered. And by all accounts he was a generally nice person.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago
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    Because show business is a business. Need an evil demon queen? Put horns and a tail on a hot babe in a skintight black catsuit.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I'd still fuck both of them if they were my sister. Dig em up, I don't give a fuck, I'll fuck them tonight on the telly even!

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Disclaimer: I did not write this, it's a meme before the word meme became a thing..

    • I fucked an old woman in the graveyard, God bless her old soul she was dead.
    • Maggots crawled out of her asshole, and hairs fell out of her head.
    • After the ordeal was over, I felt I had committed a sin.
    • So out of my pocket I drew a straw, and sucked out the load I shot in.
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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    For once in my life, I have had enough internet for the day.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    My sister was a long gone ho

    Yet that didn't stop me though

    Treated her right even in death

    Cannot beat that necroincest

    Her body cooled, so I sought

    To microwave that dead thot

    Found the bitch was too big

    Chopped her up like the pig

    She was and then I did have

    A dozen holes to split in half

    ...

    Thank you, I'll take donations in my ass if you can find the will to ejaculate in the same general direction of that fetid sarlac pit I got going on back there.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Yeah ancient Egypt was rolling that way too.

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