it's a shit book even on its own merits so if purple liked it they likely got some biases confirmed by it 😬
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I was in a used book store and they had a copy of Mein Kampf that had been printed in Nazi Germany, wrapped in a plastic protective bag with a tag that read "Do Not Open - Ask For Help."
It was probably to keep people from getting their greasy fingerprints on an old book, but I like to think the admonishment had a double meaning.
I'd be curious how they got the book in the first place because if I owned a used book store I'm not touching that without a very good reason. You can't in good conscience sell it, because any private collector who wants it is 99.99999% of the time a terrible person and should be kicked out of the store; it's probably not something a museum is interested in even as a donation; and destroying it feels a bit too... I don't know, it wouldn't be wrong to destroy it but the irony is too thick for me.
You don't need Wikipedia to know that mein Kampf is from a nazi. You could separate Hitler from most of his early art but not his political art. It's literally called "MY" struggle. He is going to mention himself a few times.
It's actually more "my battle" than "my struggle". Not that this matters much. But the latter sounds more like Adolf's personal struggles with his job, wife, life and all 😁
He is going to mention himself a few times.
The whole beginning is autobiographical. It's more than just a few times
'Mein Kampf' isn't art. It's non-fiction, at least insofar as the writer believed it to be describing the real world. 'Separate the art from the artist' doesn't apply to non-fiction.
Ever wish your racist uncle’s thanksgiving rant was put into book form? Now there’s Mein Kampf! No coherent thoughts, just pure ranting!
Mein kampf sucks. I don't understand this comic.
I think it's meant to be criticising people who just say "separate the art from the artist" for things like Harry Potter, but them pointing out the hypocrisy with a book that no one can defend because of who wrote it. That's my take, anyway
Yeah but the point of the saying “separate the art of the artist” is that it’s difficult to reconcile a piece of media you would otherwise like with the fact the artist is a POS.
Basically everyone agrees Mein Kampf sucks, even Nazis only like it performatively. So there’s no reconciliation necessary if you don’t like the media anyway. OP’s comic feels like a miss, the obvious strawman doesn’t even says he likes it just that it’s alright so it barely even fits the saying anyway.
Yea mein kampf doesn't need a evil writer to be evil. It would be evil if it was anonymous or ghost written. Other art by Hitler would have been a better argument as it is just a picture of a city or building and doesn't have any racist or antisemitic content but still is stained by him in its story.
I think the joke is that the guy is unwittingly outing himself as a Nazi. He thought it was great until he learned the author's reputation.
I know, but the book has a reputation to suck big time, and the character says it was alright which makes it confusing. Also everyone knows who wrote it.
I can separate the art from the artist. for example I like the monster hunter series by Larry Corriea, and the Kildar series by John Ringo. Both are massive right wing dumbasses. So I consume their content, I just make sure to never pay for it so they never get a dime from me.
On a side note, if you want a good laugh,you really should read Ringo's 2008 novel "The Last Centurion."
It's his take on a global environmental catastrophe and how a poorly substituted Hillary Clinton clone bungles the whole thing.
The best part is he's come damn close to predicting how the Trump administration works right now. It's fuckin' hilarious!
nsfw
https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-iron-dream/d13f3bdb606d4429
One of the most mind fucking books ever written.
The forward explains that Adolph Hitler came to the USA in 1921 and became a science fiction illustrator. Eventually, he shifted to writing and this book is his master piece.
There's nothing wrong with reading mein kampf until you start considering it art.
Speaking of which, I was listening to this band called Lost Prophets the other day. I think their music is really good! Have you guys ever heard of them?
You shouldn't and cannot separate the art from the artist. That's not how art works.
You can however like and dislike different things an artist and an art does. Its just siloing the stuff you dislike away as if the context never matters is simply wilful ignorance.
You can. I think what you're referring to is that you can get a deeper meaning of the art by learning about the artist, but you can still separate the art.
This comic is a perfect example. You can separate Mein Kampf from the artist, and guess what? It's still a terrible piece of art. Bingo bango, all it took was media literacy.
If you couldn't separate the art from the artist to dismiss art then you would be saying that if someone has evil beliefs their soul is evil and they are not capable of creating good art. Which is a heinous belief. Bad people can make good art.
Why? I totally don't care who made it, when I like what is made.
So, teach me the ways of the art and how it works, please.
An artist is not a machine who just prints stuff. When an artist makes something, regardless of what it is they're making, their feelings, experiences, teachings, worldview, and personal beliefs/opinions shape the art they make.
If you take those things away you have an AI generator. No music, writing, poetry, rapping, drawing, painting, or even corporate logo design can exist without the events, influences, and decisions of the one making these things.
An artist is not a machine who just prints stuff
No. But I didn't question that. I just don't care if this music I like was made by AI, Adolf Hitler or Or two gay penguins. I value art for what it is to me, not what someone wants it to be. I don't look behind the curtain.
If you take those things away you have an AI generator
Nah. I am the living proof. I consume the front, pay for it (mostly) and everyone is happy. And behold! The artist is still there, even without me caring. Might he do whatever he does to create the stuff I like.
An artist who is a terrible person draws from those elements that make him a terrible person to make art. If you're selectively choosing to ignore where that comes from then you yourself are a terrible person.
However, you have already more or less admitted that by saying you do nothing but consume.
So, you, a very smart person, would only admire art, for which you exactly, and personally, know the artists intentions, moral compass and general ethics? That does not only sound pretentious but also hypocritical and deeply impractical.
As if you'd know every artists fucking life-story. And, by your logic, you mustn't consume otherwise. Missing knowledge doesn't protect.
And yes, I only consume. What else do you do with a e.g. painting? Rub one out in front of it? Pray to the art-god? Write letters of admiration to the artist, scented with your perfume? I just hang it on the wall and admire it for what it is. Art.
Also...a bit simplistic to just assume a "terrible person" draws exclusively from terrible sources to create art. As if people are black or white. And also, who on this earth is not a terrible person in the end? How clean and "good" are you hm? Do you spend every minute to help those less fortunate than you? Do you not profit from childlabour and slavery when purchasing goods that aren't made by your neighbor while you were watching? Thought so.
As if you'd know every artists fucking life-story.
As if not being a religious bigot, sexist, abuser, fascist, apartheid apologist, corporate bootlicker, or war criminal is such a high bar.
Assume so.
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As if not being a religious bigot, sexist, abuser, fascist, apartheid apologist, corporate bootlicker, or war criminal is such a high bar.
If only i said it was a high bar. Surely is not. But you can never know, except what the artist wants you to know. So by your own logic you have to boycott every art unless you have proof the artist is "clean". Interesting, that a "corporate bootlicker" is worse for you than a hypocrite that's abusing slave-countries for their cheap work to type a comment to someone what a cultural swine he is :-) You're just holier than thou.
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Nope. Not assumed, it's pretty obvious. Otherwise I couldn't read your comment as you would sit in the woods, being self-sufficient, crafting wood-figures and talking to squirrels for company.
PS: Don't forget the downvote, this will show me my place!
So by your own logic you have to boycott every art unless you have proof the artist is "clean".
No that's not my logic. That's entirely your own doing. The question of "separating the art from the artist" is always brought up when the artist is known to be a scumbag.
You're just holier than thou.
Barely a challenge with you.
Ugh, forget it. You bore me. Now back to work or school!
Ugh, forget it. You bore me.
Translation; "I don't have an argument"
No, I'm just not interested in one-sentence - replies you have a "good" argument for, while ignoring the rest where you don't.
So, have a nice artful life.
Most of what you write comes from a very simple yet flawed argument. Everything else you say based on that is just word salad, and I don't feel like it's deserving of any respect.
And your best argument so far has been one where you put words in my mouth, so I can't say you're doing anything in good faith either.
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