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[–] 157 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

I used a bus in Japan to go to Mount Fuji. Seats were assigned like on a plane and I was sitting next to some Japanese guy. I did my best to respect their customs and remained silent and kept to myself for the two hour ride. The inside of the bus was as silent as a church for the entire drive even though it was full.

On the way back at the end of the day, the bus had dropped a few passengers somewhere and stopped at a station for a toilet break. When we boarded again the driver went to see the passenger beside me and moved him to another seat on the bus to sit in a seat that had been freed up next to another Japanese person. It looks like the passenger went to see the driver to request the seat change during the break.

I've spent the rest of the ride wondering what I had done wrong. It's really a fucked up feeling and it must be horrible to be experiencing this sort of passive aggressive racism on a daily basis in your own home.

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  • [–] 80 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It probably wasn't anything wrong you had done wrong. From what I've been hearing from some family who do business in asia. As they explain it, Japan has had an economic whiplash from the 80s and a lot of those cultural and economic policies that gave them initial success were not sustainable long term. And since Japan is a VERY proud culture, they've found it easier to blame outsiders than their own miscalculations.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    they've found it easier to blame outsiders than their own miscalculations.

    Enough said, round the world

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Yep, xenophobia went up globally following the financial crisis of '08.

    Sure America was the big trigger, but no country did anything to guard themselves from the risk ongoing at the time - And in Europe mena immigrants was the bogeyman written about in the media...

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The inside of the bus was as silent as a church for the entire drive even though it was full.

    Is that not the case where you're from? Genuinely almost never heard anyone having a conversation on an intercity bus

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    It's really nothing you did. The people there just randomly decide to stand up in crowded trains if you are a foreigner and sit beside them. Or this time I was just walking down the street and the lady who was walking towards me just randomly crosses the street and walks past.

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  • [–] 84 points 3 months ago

    Google Lens tells me that the description is accurate. Even though i love japanese culture, they are racist as fuck, so i am not ever surprised.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago

    On Okinawa, the red light area routinely used to refuse "chocolate men" for being "too strong"

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  • [–] 111 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries on the planet. This is just one example.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Probably on my list of reasons why I don't want to visit Japan

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    You're going to face it anywhere you go. Don't let it hold you back. There's always a slight feeling of unease around those that are different from yourself. But not everyone turns it into a justification to hate. I saw this video 5 years ago about a guy going to Japan trying to track down the location of a meme image from the early internet. They ended up heading off to a smaller town that wasn't very touristy. Something that could go very badly. As some of the small towns like anywhere else can be very insular. But instead when they got there. Ended up spending the night chatting up an eager bar owner about Kurosawa and star wars.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    Ive been to Japan a few years ago and they always felt very friendly and welcoming. They're somewhat shy and awkward, but can't say I had any negative experience.

    If you want to feel bad, go to Italy, especially Rome. Many Italians are super racist, hate tourists and are not afraid to hide it.

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  • [+] -14 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Literally every country on the planet is xenophobic, people only make a big deal out of it when it's a western or western-aligned country.

    The entire idea of inclusivity, tolerance, and multiculturalism is primarily a western idea sprung from western humanist values and honestly only even taken seriously in secular democracies which tend to be aligned with the west.

    And then people act like the west and west-aligned countries are so depraved for not perfectly living up to those values, when hardly any other nation even tries or has any desire to.

    It's honestly kind of amusing once you stop giving a shit.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    I don't know. I told people in North Iraq that I grew up in Turkey, and despite my country spending better part of the 20th and 21st century massacring and displacing their population, these people were saying shit like "yeah government is bad, but the people are good."

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This is such an ignorant take. Multiculturalism is actually the norm in most of the world throughout history, and the rare instances of isolationism are more often a result of geography than culture. The current xenophobic and nationalist state of the world is an aberration resulting from rampant and ongoing colonialism in the past few centuries. Many nations that exist today encompass regions that were far more multicultural and politically complex prior to their colonization by Europeans.

    As for the West, our current secular humanist values are the result of the enlightenment period in which European colonizers appropriated and synthesized the ideas of colonized peoples around the world. The reason we don't live up to them is because we stubbornly refuse to reckon with our colonialist past and present, such that we just go on living with the contradiction to the detriment of the world and ourselves.

    It's honestly kind of amusing once you stop giving a shit.

    Not caring doesn't make you cool, it just makes you another cynical asshole among many. IMO the world could do with less cynical assholes.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    It's hard not to be cynical in this world.

    And you think everyone before western colonization was enlightened and multicultural? Sure their political regions were more complex, but in-groups and out-groups have existed in every region since at least the dawn of civilization, and those in-groups were typically defined by a range of factors including but not limited to culture, language, ancestry (and by extension, ethnicity), and religion.

    You must have been sleeping through World History class if you think everything was kumbaya all around the world until the Europeans showed up...

    edit to add:I'm sure we all want the world to be such that everyone can just get along and coexist with each other, but that's simply not the world we live in. And seeking simple solutions to complex problems is never helpful. Pretending everything would be perfect if it weren't for those pesky Europeans is reductive. You can scream "blame white people" till you're blue in the face, but ultimately you're just playing into the same racialized dichotomy that you feign to be criticizing.

    After all, it was always just a sliver of white people even within European societies which were the dominate classes there, who oppressed everyone they could, including the rest of the white people they shared a nationality with. The vast majority have always been disenfranchised, just like everyone else. And everyone else had their aristocracies too. Let's not pretend that's an exclusively European thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I said that multiculturalism was the norm, not that everyone was holding hands and singing kumbaya. I also am not saying that colonialism is new or unique to Europeans, it just so happens that European nations are the most recent colonial powers and we happen to be living in the historical period immediately following their rise to hegemony. Obviously conflict and colonialism existed prior to European colonization, but it has never before had the global reach and dominance that European nations achieved. The fact remains that prior to colonization by Europeans, many regions around the world were more diverse and politically complex (i.e. multiple cultural, religious, and organizational paradigms existed parallel to and in conversation with one another). Though there was conflict, it was more local and restrained with different groups finding ways to coexist even if the relationship was tenuous. It's impossible to deny the profound impact of Europe's global conquest on the political environment in which we all currently live.

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  • [–] 247 points 3 months ago (34 children)

    The people defending this as 'not racism'... way to miss the point. If this was some BBQ joint in Texas with a sign that says closed in Spanish but open in English you wouldn't be posting these comments

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    The odds of a Texas BBQ joint not having any Spanish speaking employees is exceedingly small.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    And yet they are cheering for ICE to arrest them all. No matter the status or paperwork. If they're arrested then they are guilty. That's how it works down here.

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  • [+] -13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

    lol what? Have you ever been to Texas?

    I misread the comment πŸ™ƒ

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Have youβ€½ I was born in Texas. Lived here the last 24 years, and 32 of the last 34. Even asian restaurants here have kitchens full of Spanish speaking people.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It's been years now, but are you saying that BBQ joints don't have Spanish speaking employees? Is that a Texas only thing?

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Mac is mistaken. There are Spanish speaking employees all over the food service industry in Texas.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Its called Xenophobia.

    Xenophobia and racism are distinct forms of prejudice: xenophobia is the fear or hatred of foreigners, while racism is the belief in racial superiority and systemic oppression based on race. Though they overlap, they target people for different reasons.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It literally isn't racism though. You can disagree with it and think it should be banned, but there is no interpretation that it can realistically be called racism

    I lived in Japan for a while. I've seen a couple places with a sign like this. In my experience every place like this is perfectly willing to have foreigners that speak Japanese. They simply don't want to deal with the hassle of a language barrier

    I should also note these places were always in touristy areas. If they don't have a sign like that, they'll end up with majority English speaking customers, because Japanese customers prefer places without rowdy tourists that can't speak the local language. I did too. Going out for an after work beer, you want an entirely different atmosphere from tourists getting hammered

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    It would still not be racism

    Xenophobia at worst, only hatred of tourists at best

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Xenophobia is inherently racist.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Arent they different things? Racism is about race, xenophobia is about country of origin

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Xenophobia is hatred of foreigners or aliens. I.e., those who are different, by one meaning of the word. It therefore encompasses racism.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Doesnt xenophobia only include people who were born in other countries?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Someone born in another country is one meaning of the word alien. Xenophobia is fear or hatred of aliens. Aliens can be people from other coubtries, strangers, or those different than one's self, depending on the definition of alien used. So the sum of all the definitions makes xenophobia encompass race-based discrimination.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago

    It doesn't say "if you are of that race we are open". It says you must understand the language. So learn it - you'll need it anyway to live there - or go elsewhere, where staff can serve you on your language, provide a menu on your language etc.

    A hate system where you can upgrade your status by learning is not racism. Also not necessarily a hate system in the first place.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    If an American moves to Europe and doesn't attempt to learn the local language, then by a few months to a year in with zero effort people will say they're in the wrong for not making an effort to integrate and expecting everyone to speak English for them.

    Clearly "Americans expecting foreigners to speak English" is different from "Other countries expecting Americans to speak the local language" from a moral point of view. So why is Japan then lumped in with America as the "Local people must accept and accommodate foreigners who can't communicate in the local language" bucket, when anywhere else it's "If you're traveling there and you didn't even try learning the language, then you're ignorant and entitled."?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    You yourself are saying it's unfortunate that people mostly speak English in the nordic countries, and yet you argue that it would be xenophobic and wrong to try to incentivize society to use the local languages more?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Then what did you mean why you said "unfortunately"? I guess that part through me off.

    And look, I've done a bit of traveling so I'm definitely grateful for places that welcome foreigners who don't speak the language. I'm not saying those should go away.

    But I've also spent enough time in some places to gain a little proficiency, and at that point it would be nice to have a few places to go where I'm expected to use the language. Otherwise people see me struggling and then they default to English. It makes it harder to get the level of immersion necessary to go from intermediate to advanced.

    Plus, when I'm really immersed in a culture I like to avoid the touristy spots. I try to go to the places where the local language is used more. If I rely on every local's English proficiency to get by, I'll never learn.

    And it feels nice to be able to differentiate myself from the average tourist, like "no I've actually been living here for months and have gained some basic proficiency in the language." There's a difference between going somewhere for a week to hit all the tripadvisor spots, versus going somewhere to immerse in the local culture and try to build a life there. Most places view tourists as a nuisance, and I don't see why that's a problem because the level of respect for the local culture tends to be lower among tourists anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    If an American moves to Europe and doesn't attempt to learn the local language, then by a few months to a year in with zero effort people will say they're in the wrong for not making an effort to integrate and expecting everyone to speak English for them.

    My American cousin lived and worked in France as an engineer for several years. This is absolutely not true. He did make an effort to learn some French, but it wasn't because of any pressure. He just wanted to.

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  • [–] 83 points 3 months ago (31 children)
  • [+] -64 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (30 children)

    I mean, genuinely, how? It's not saying you need to be Japanese to enter, just that you need to be able to read Japanese. IMO, learning the local language of a country you plan to visit is a basic courtesy that too many people don't bother with.

    Okay, I take it back. I was thinking too much from the perspective of an American who's been scolded for not spending enough time learning the language of places I visited. Thank you to the people who pointed out that what I said was ignorant without just piling on insults, I'll try to be more thoughtful in the future.

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  • [–] 87 points 3 months ago (22 children)

    "I'm tired of all these immigrants coming over here and not even being able to speak the language. This is [country] and we speak [language] here!"

    That's what you sound like.

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  • [+] -27 points 3 months ago (20 children)

    It's their country. Aren't they entitled to make rules?

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    If you tie the availability of housing to whatever language someone speaks instead of something tangible related to the respective person, it's racism.

    I used Google Lens to translate the bottom text. Do you think that if i would go in there using my phone to translate i would get a room for the night?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Not being able to communicate, participate, doesn't help either side. Buying a house, without being able to communicate is on its way to forming and insular community and not simply being denied service that is otherwise open to the public.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    But this sign is for a restaurant, not for buying property. This is simply racism because they don't want anyone outside of their cultural circle intruding..

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Do you believe that anyone existing in America must speak English and only English? If a couple next to you at a cafe are speaking French to each other do you tell them to go back home?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not an expert on Japanese culture, but I don't think they have the "melting pot" cultural identity that America has had historically.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    So it's not xenophobia if you've been consistently xenophobic from the start.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Was it xenophobia for Algeria to reject French-speakers?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Are you seriously trying to say colonialism and tourism are the same thing

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago

    Xenophobia: the fear or intolerance of foreigners

    No, tourism and colonialism aren't the same thing, but in this context it doesn't matter.

    Besides, which one are we talking about in Japan? We could call it tourism, but don't you know they've literally been occupied by the US military since WWII?

    And if you want a strictly tourism example, then how about Barcelona? How is this any different from a giant mural that says "Tourists go home"? And least in Japan they don't spray gaijin with water guns...

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    Do you believe that anyone existing in America must speak English

    Yeah, eventually. If I'm going to live in a country indefinitely, I'm going to try to learn their language. If I'm in France for more than a year, I'm going to try to learn French. I'd expect the same of friends and family. It's not racist to expect people living in a place long term to be able to converse with the locals.

    If they're working here for just a summer or two and spending most of the year in another country, no.

    and only English?

    No?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, eventually. If I'm going to live in a country indefinitely, I'm going to try to learn their language.

    We're not talking about eventually or indefinitely we're literally just talking about visiting a restaurant for a meal

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Sorry, you asked a question that could have been seen as different from that context, so I was very explicit.

    No, for just visiting you don't need to learn the language. If you plan to stay long term, you should learn the local language.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago

    America is a country founded upon immigration, so it's not a comparable example. In broad terms, Japan is historically a fairly homogenous nation ethnically, culturally, and linguistically (and yes, I know those are very broad terms, I'm talking relative to North American countries like the US and Canada).

    If the 1600s-1700s had gone differently, and North America remained predominantly populated by Native peoples speaking Native languages, then yeah I'd say it's totally within their rights to expect visitors to either learn the local language and attempt to integrate, or be left out of certain parts of society such as restaurants that want to cater exclusively to people who speak Algonquin or whatever.

    Show up in Algiers and try saying "Sorry, I don't speak Arabic. Do you have a French menu?"

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    ... How many countries have you ever visited to say that

    Like, being able to speak the very basics I agree. Numbers, hello and goodbye, thank you, etc.

    But "If you can read this, you may come in" is pretty advanced. Like, probably requiring weeks of daily study level advanced to be able to understand.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Ah, yes, everyone whould spend months to learn the language of every country they visit even though they might be there for only a few days.

    How are you this dumb? I highly doubt you've ever been outside the country you were born in, and if you have you certainly didn't follow your own thought here.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (3 children)

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