cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/c/fediverse/p/1066667/tesseract-dev-injects-malicious-code-into-browser-to-illegally-ddos-the-dbzer0-instance

As part of the devs farewell message on their site, they have included malicious code to make each visitor sends 2,000 requests to the dbzer0 servers in an attempt to DDOS and take the instance offline.

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[–] 118 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

Way to prove you were an asshole literally the entire time.

At first the douchebag tried to play it off like they were doing a good thing by trying to make the fediverse easier to navigate for newcomers.

…by DDOSing an instance? Sure, Jan. What a little coward.

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  • [–] 92 points 3 months ago (74 children)

    Surely that is actually illegal in some places.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    unless you live on the moon, which legally cannot be "owned" by any country and therefore isn't under the jurisdiction of any country, then this is, in fact, illegal in every place.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    No doubt there are some nations that don't have rules for this like developing nations.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Well there's no way they could pass legislation at the breakneck speeds of the U.S. Congress.

    Like I'm pretty sure e.g. Russia wouldn't enforce law against a DDoS attack when it's targeted at an EU/NA based service, but it's probably still unlawful.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Antarctica is also not owned by any nation, but generally nations claim certain territory and would enforce their laws there

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    enforce their laws there

    Do they really? Since there isn't any permanent base there (unless we believe in the Nazis in Antarctica conspiracy), any law enforcement is done within international maritime law - meaning no claim necessary.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    If he’s US based it’s very illegal. DDOSing can carry a prison sentence of up to 10 years. His hosting provider already took it down, and I’m pretty sure they’re obligated to report criminal activity on their networks, so this guy is probably fucked.

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  • [+] -74 points 3 months ago (67 children)

    So is what everyone was doing to them, would need to press charges against everyone.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago*

    That does not excuse deliberately deploying a ddos tool.

    Maybe if he left like he wanted to and didn't make 3 blacklists people would not be calling him out on his shit.

    Those actually doxing him and no doubt calling for his death are also in the wrong.

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  • [–] 66 points 3 months ago* (52 children)

    Making memes and fun of a shitty block list is not illegal.

    Cyber crime, as awesome as it sounds , however is illegal. Not that we would want to bring cops into anything.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah I'm actually hoping they aren't prosecuted. Cybercrime sentences are insane and this is clearly a case where someone needs help, not prison.

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  • [+] -52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (49 children)

    ? What do you even know of the story if that’s your take…? They were being doxxed, getting death threats, harassed, etc. all of these are cybercrimes….

    Lemmy users never want to be held accountable for their actions, but love calling others out *shrug*

    If you think it was just jokes and memes, you need to actually read into the details

    What they did isn’t okay, but the response to that from the Lemmy users was equally unacceptable, and their response here is the middle finger.

    They know nothing is likely to happen, because who’s gonna press charges? The people that also did illegal shit that started it…? Seriously lmfao.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Why do people so often assume total pricks are telling the truth? I doubt anyone here is cheering on death threats/doxxing. I find it hard to believe they actually happened. He provided zero evidence of it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I mean considering they've had zero qualms name dropping entire instances, users, communities the fact there's zero pillorying of those sending "death threats" looks suuusss

    But if they drops names it's easy to disprove

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Eh there's always that one guy that does shit like this, unfortunately. I'm not saying it is true but it wouldn't surprise me.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Trusting the victims and healthy scepticism are always at odds with each other, but in this case AdmiralPatrick has already been caught in bad faith arguments before where others have had receipts and he had nothing.

    It wouldn't entirely suprise me if some nutcase actually did send him some death threat, but in this instance I'm not going to just take his word for it.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 months ago (26 children)

    They were being doxxed, getting death threats, harassed, etc.

    Uhhh...Evidence?

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  • [+] -48 points 3 months ago* (25 children)

    Uhh… their goodbye post where they lay it out? That’s what this post is based on… and taken from…?

    Or are you only seeing the one side of the story you choose to see and ignoring the other? Sounds typical of Lemmy users to be honest, so that’s rhetorical.

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  • [–] 53 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    I don't think anyone trusts a word they say without legitimate evidence. The user has been shown to act unethical and make things up.

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  • [+] -45 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    And somehow I knew that was gonna be the response *shrug*.

    Online people constantly do this, it’s joked about since it’s a real thing that ALWAYS happen. If you think Lemmy users are innocent this singular time, is there some Bridges for you to buy.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Next time you get a fine for drunk driving just tell the police guy:

    Somehow I knew that would be the response, you police people are all the same...

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    One side of the story has evidence. I'll listen to that side.

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  • [+] -36 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    One side has the general internet on its side. We already know what they do.

    What other evidence is needed? Any they provide would just be called fake, but the internet always does this. I don’t believe that Lemmy users would be innocent in this singular incident, that’s just foolish thinking.

    There’s nothing that will meet your arbitrary standards here, but don’t go playing dumb, you just make the rest of Lemmy users looks bad with the rest of you.

    This is all universal “you” for anyone involved in this drama on either side.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    We have proof the guy tried to secretly censor the entire fediverse to promote a conservative agenda. We have proof they committed cyber crimes. There is a pattern of dishonest behaviour.

    We don't have ANY evidence of the death threats or doxxing beyond the claims of a man proven to be dishonest. You don't have any, and try to hide the fact you don't have any with a weak "you wouldn't believe it". The same way I tell my friends "you wouldn't know her, she goes to a different school."

    Right now, the two possibilities are that literally everyone except you has been tricked, or you have been misled by a desperate, proven liar. Take a second to consider the possibility that, maybe, you're wrong to trust them.

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  • [+] -37 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    I’m not trusting THEM lol, people are told to avoid going online due to toxicity and this exact crap. And this is why I said using them was useless… you are STILL using it lmfao. Even after trying to avoid this exact conversation….

    I trust the internet to do what it always does, there’s gonna be users that did it, even “jokingly”. That’s the sad unfortunate reality that we do live in. I wish we lived in your imaginary fantasy world, that would be great!

    I’m “trusting” that the internet is doing what it always has and always will do, and not something totally unprecedented that it’s never done before.

    Again, people are told to avoid social media because OF THIS EXACT CRAP HAPPING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND…..

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago

    ...But you ARE trusting them. You're taking their word that the internet is doing horrible things to him. You forget that they are ALSO on the internet, and capable of lying to discredit the consequences of their own actions. You are ALSO on the internet, and a part of the toxicity you rail against.

    Take your hands off the keyboard, put them on your lap, take a deep breath, and audibly say the words "it is possible I am wrong about this."

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    Yes, there are lots of whiny moralists around who think being civil and avoiding difficult topics and turning the fediverse into some sort of curated PG friendly space is the best solution. Preferably with government ID checking built in.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    "I just know it, dude. It's like ... the internet, and stuff, man"

    At this point, you're just a troll. You are knowingly spreading the views of someone proven to be a liar, and when asked for any kind of evidence, you just vaguely wave in a direction with a long winded response that is logically indistinguishable from "vibes, man"

    Go away. You are not continuator anything to this. I won't bother calling it a conversation, because trolls don't have conversations. That would require them to stop operating in bad faith.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Uhh… their goodbye post where they lay it out?

    You mean the homepage that tries to ddos a lemmy instance if I access it?

    Yeah, no idea why I don't want to access that page. /s

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  • [+] -28 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    There’s posts and screengrabs about it, never said you had to go there.

    I never went to the webpage and have found this out.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Well, if he'd want me to read his temper tantrum, he shouldn't have set things up that I can only read it by seeking out screen grabs.

    He doesn't want me to read anything, for all I know.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    The response to the illegal actions then are between the Tesseract dev and law enforcement.

    "Was being doxxed" or whatever other claims were made, are not, and never will be, legal justification for starting a cyber attack on anybody.

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  • [+] -29 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Someone needs to press charges for law enforcement to do anything or even get involved. And to press charges you need to be “involved” or have been affected.

    And that person is gonna get called to court and have their history exposed, courts don’t like people who aggravate others than go and waste courts time with charges.

    Lawyers get disbarred for that crap, it’s illegal itself.

    You can’t provoke someone in to shooting you than press charges, that’s what this would be like.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    You can’t provoke someone in to shooting you than press charges, that’s what this would be like.

    That depends entirely on what you mean by "provoke". The only time you can ever shoot someone and not go to jail for it is if you can prove it was self defense, and the threshold to prove self defense can be extremely high, depending on jurisdiction.

    And for every other type of offence, doing something illegal in response to someone doing something illegal to you just means you both go to jail. "He did it first!" never even worked in grade school, not sure why you expect it to work as an adult.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Tagged you as "ai simp" a while ago. Seems like you're full of shitty takes. Also... "Than go..." lol

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    i’ve been having a grand ol’ time skimming the tea threads and i haven’t seen a single instance of death threats or doxxing. not that it’s not happening, but that’s FAR from the general public response here.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    They were being doxxed

    By definition, you can’t privately doxx someone, and I’ve found no evidence that anyone doxxed him. Sounds like BS.

    getting death threats

    If true, yeah that’s a crime. He should report it.

    harassed

    This is too vague. I dint doubt he got messages about what a dick he was, secretly forcing his ideals onto others without letting them know. I 100% believe that happened, but I 100% disagree that is harassment. I also 100% believe he would call it harassment out of convenience. He definitely seems like a very fragile individual.

    I do need to ask, if I claimed some random thing while ddosing you, would you believe me?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Well, yeah, people who done that should also be investigated. How does this contradicts slazer2au's point?

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  • [+] -24 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    I never said it did? I just said Lemmy users should look at themselves first, they did illegal shit first.

    Or are you taking my response to quokka and attributing that to my first response to slayer? Because that’s not the same discussion. So don’t take that out of context.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    "Lemmy users" is pretty vague.

    Unless you are accusing the specific users you're replying to of the crimes you're bringing up, what's the point of responding to them?

    I didn't do any of the things you're bringing up. Why would a response asking "lemmy users too look at themselves" be relevant to me?

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  • [+] -23 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Does the concept of “context” not exist to you?

    Specific topics don’t need to specified when it’s contextual conversation.

    That’s what this is, you’re of course free to take it wrongly and interpret that way.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    You're whataboutisming along the lines of "you should think about you've done first" to people who probably aren't even the ones who did the things you're bringing up.

    You're not commenting to add that people were dicks to the tesseract dev, too.

    You're commenting that people were dicks to the tesseract dev first, and pushing everything that putting it that way implies.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    What’s the tesseract drama?

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    Tesseract is a lemmy frontend a lot of people use. The dev secretly added a blocklist to the software that hides ANYTHING they don't approve of, which includes: discussing zionism, discussing mod abuse, discussing billionaires, a lot of generic news communities, the Wholesome Yuri community, the dz0 instance, and a LOT more. It also includes over 500 users who didn't do anything worthy of a ban (at least of that scale).

    It's nakedly a single person trying to force their own agenda. They got called out, and they took it as well as you could expect. Which is to say, they're crashing out HARD.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Don't forget he blacklisted any communities about "identity politics" I.e. LGBTQ+ spaces

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Have they ever said "identity politics"?

    I only know of them banning lemmy.blahaj.place and saying its because the instance allowed people to talk about hurting other people (i assume its referring to the posts about attacking fascists)

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    In response to this startrek.website defederated from dbo. Also weird how the framing of the defedederation lines up so well to what ap and Kirk would say.

    https://startrek.website/post/42709922

    If you’re not familiar with how Lemmy/the Fediverse works, basically everything you read at StarTrek.website is hosted by us, even if the content originated elsewhere. That means we are responsible for everything here and we have to decide if we are comfortable boosting content from other instances.

    If you’re curious, the final straw here was learning that db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people, which needless to say goes against our instance values and we simply don’t have the manpower to moderate that volume of content incoming from their server to a degree that we feel meets our quality standards, which left defederating as the only viable option.

    In keeping in line with past trends we’re announcing this because is is a larger instance and don’t want to leave any of the crew confused as to why something may be missing.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    How does dbzer0 end up in every controversy on lemmy ever?

    Half the time they arent even the controversial ones in the situation

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Because they host ye power tripping bastards, which lists mod abuse

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Most arent even related to that community

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago*

    They are, tangentially.

    There's a lot of purity politicking and porridge-only level censorship on lemmy. Db0 tends to allow adults and hyperbole. So you have this combination of wildly overstepping mods / upper tier users used to throwing their weight around "ummmaaa you said a naughty word!!" coming face to face with an entire instance of people they can't control and who don't really care either, with a comm that documents mod abuse and said mods lose their everloving shit at the loss of control.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I am OOTL. Can someone give me a quick version of what's going on here? I saw that tesseract on db0 no longer worked and figured it was because they stopped developing it.

    But it sounds like they continued and is now attacking db0?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    My explanation from days ago: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/27246701

    Yup, now it's entering new phase.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Remember kids,

    When everyone else is the asshole, it might be time to consider the common denominator

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    The link from which this is cross-posted has been deleted, I think.

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    Doesn't work in my app nor in a fresh browser.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    Do we have fediverse historians writing this stuff down? I feel like we need a knowyourmeme for fediverse drama.

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