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[–] 89 points 3 months ago (8 children)

In a major win for open-source enthusiasts, Proton VPN has officially launched its proprietary Stealth protocol in beta for Linux.

Open-source enthusiasts and proprietary software? That does not sound like the happy union.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 months ago

    It's the author conflating "Linux" and "open source". In their statement, Proton states "Linux community" snd the author promptly writes "open source community". Knowing the difference between the two seems like a requirement to write for a tech publication, but maybe that's just my crazy opinion.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    The venn diagram doesn't need to be perfectly overlapping circles. When open source is not a viable option or you need something beyond the scope of what open source offers, the next best thing is to use a product from a reputable company that has been properly audited and has not completely enshittified.

    Now, whether Proton is truly that company is up for debate. The CEO has made some pretty troubling comments, but the products themselves have not devolved all that much. You can probably find better than Proton, but you can absolutely find a hell of a lot worse.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    What is a proprietary protocol? Is that like mpeg where everyone knows how to implement it but you have to pay them to use it?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Well the stealth mode is only on protonvpn, so they haven't allowed anybody else to use it either

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think the protocol was developed in-house and only the code is open source? I think the protocol itself is not public to make it harder to spot, since its whole purpose is to dodge deep packet inspection

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago*

    Vless/Reality and AWG are both open source and they're still dodging DPI just fine. Can someone pass the memo to the Security Exprets at Proton that security through obscurity is the worst stake to gamble on when each packet in your transmission is gonna be dissected and studied by a gaggle of state researchers working on DPI anyway

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    While they have an official app for Arch, this functionality is not yet available on that flavor of distro.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Essential tool to keep users spyfree.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    opinion: title should be /on linux/for linux/

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    I’ll never trust Proton, not with all the “headlines” they can’t seem to stop making

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    I've not seen a single article about Proton that's made me abandon them. Diversified away from, yes, but not abandon.

    The privacy community will be under fire from very powerful interests, so I also take all criticism with a mountain of salt.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Whatever your comfort level, I hope that turns out OK for you.

    I’m only using providers who have zero “nazi incidents”

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Which Proton incident(s) do you consider "nazi"?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    The ones that the Proton CEO knows about - he’s the one whose name keeps miraculously appearing next to “Trump” and “GOP.”

    I use providers who are not “nazi-adjacent”

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Would you mind pointing to a specific example? I know he praised a Trump appointee a while back, regarding approach to big tech. Was there another?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Out of curiosity which VPN do you recommend? I have Bazzite and it seemed like Proton was the best choice.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Proton is fine.

    The CEO has said some troubling things, but the products themselves are fine for now. It is one thing to be cautious, but it is a problem when you use the ramblings and comments of an executive as an excuse to ignore how the company actually operates.

    If it were like the MyPillow guy I could understand, but we are not there.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    not op but you should just self host. VPSs are cheap - entry tariffs are like 3-5$/month for most providers, and thats more than enough to set up a Wireguard or anything else, traffic limits are rarely an issue. if your hosting goes to shit, it's easy enough to recreate the config elsewhere

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    @aketawi whats with "selfhost" on vps? Still, you need to trust your vps provider... Also you need to manage it. I though selfhost is a term for selhosting files for example from your home server.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    not necessarily, you could Host anything by yourSelf on a rented VPS and it will still be "more selfhosted" than buying a commercial VPN. if you're buying just to use it as a proxy, trust is also a nonissue since your traffic will be encrypted anyhow and you store no sensitive data. just don't use a plain http proxy lol

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    You are again tied up to the VPS provider in the same way you are tied up to you ISP so there's not going to be too much privacy there. A VPN like that is useful for using it for other purposes such as playing LAN games, placing your other hosted services behind it as an additional security measure or getting access to multiple servers that don't have public access (such as your home lab behind a NAT). But it doesn't annonymize you the way VPN providers "claim" they annonymize you.

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