Is this the person whose big "scandal" was being photographed at a club?
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My entire working life (multiple decades) it's been a pretty common thing to hear co-workers say some variation of
"I feel like my life is on fast forward"
Because they aren't absorbing their own lives because they spend most of it away from the things that matter, solving problems for other people, in order to benefit a small percentage of people more than they benefit from their own labor.
Everyone has different beliefs. I don't believe we're going anywhere after this. This is it. One shot. One blip in a vast universe, then nothing.
That makes me very tired of this bullshit.
I understand the value of work. I understand we wouldn't have roads or homes or grocery stores without it. But I've always advocated for exactly what's being advocated for here. 4 days. 6 hours a piece. 4 days is still the majority of your week and 6 hours is perfect because studies show productivity tanks after that anyways and those extra 2 hours means actually having dinner with your family or helping them with homework, or mowing the lawn, or whatever.
It's a solid balance and we should be demanding it, not asking for it.
This is what I did at my company. Just better. Come and go as you please, no matter what. As long as the agreed upon work is somehow done. Come at 3am leave at 4am? Whatever. That plus profit-sharing made fucking happy employees who actually enjoyed working.
Why should anyone care if you're here 8hrs? Most people just waste probably half of it with procrastination or just strategic incompetence.
That rule was for everyone of course, janitor "upwards".
Also everyone got double market-average, free food and beverages.
Could've made a lot more money, but who needs that? Why me 99% and everyone else shares the 1%? That is an unsustainable model (for people, not for companies though), extremely unfair and unjust. How could I look into a mirror with dignity when ripping off everyone else?
Sadly I seems to be the exception, not the rule 😐
I go with the social contract thing. I am nixe to people until they breach the contract, then it is open bar.
Suprisingly I never had problems or people exploiting my simple system. Maybe because noone felt exploited either? Or maybe it was just luck.
This is what we should be fighting for. That and 25 dollars minimum wage. Even fucking Bernie Sanders misses the boat on this. He fights for the minimum wage but 40 hour work week and the "return of overtime " fucking hate it when mentions that. No one should have to or want to work longer hours. Bullshit!
6 hour 4 day work week is the way and the fight that unfortunately America will never adopt.
$25/hr is not a livable wage if you're only gonna get 24 hours a week.
One would still need to work 40-50 hrs a week, it would just be more livable due to getting OT sooner.
Why I believe in the work 6 hours 4 days a week but get paid as working 40 hours.
Works out to ~$42/hr
No minimum wage (at least in Oklahoma) can be $25 an hour. But you work 6 hours 4 days a week. But get paid as if you worked 8 hours 5 days a week. Roughly 1000 dollars a week gross pay.
If you want to work over 6 hours then you should be paid time and half for any work over the 24 hours you work.
That should be how it handled. And minimum wage should not only be tied to inflation, but should be higher depending on where you live. Example New York state should have much higher minimum wage the 25.
Pretty much every software that calculates and processes payroll would have to be rewritten. Just Intuit alone would instantly have that proposal taken out back and shot.
$25 is more politically palatable than $42 though.
Let's tie it to c-suite wage-flation
I mean I can believe in sky daddy as well, but doesn't mean it's reality. Know how we went from 80 hour weeks to 40 hour weeks? A lot of people died, and a whole lot of immigrants were needed to make up the hours, oh and women were now needed in the workforce as well, because pay certainly wasn't going to raise high enough to keep up with costs. I'm not sure forcing more people to work ultimately for less is a great idea. Seems easier to push minimum wages up, or better yet, to unionize so minimum wages aren't needed as companies wouldn't be able to hire for less than the labor is worth (or simply wouldn't exist as a business).
Im sorry but how will this increase shareholder value? hmm? Will anybody think of the shareholders?
So uh...what is the citizenship application process? Finland is worth dying for rn.
Former pm, this wouldn't actually happen.
Why is it that the right ideas only happen before or after holding useful positions?
She did push for such during her time holding the position from what I have seen thus far. She came into office in 2019 and was voted out in 2023 because the economy suffered around the world after COVID, and that was enough to sink many countries into believing they needed change.
Note Finland had the lowest death percentages in the EU, the GDP didn't collapse hard like some, she pushed for work from home and minimal contact.
Oh and she apparently was focused on getting Ukraine into the EU. Which one could say was hobbled by a couple people, but one of those was recently taken from power. So only time will tell
Because it can't cost them their career after they already retired. They never do it while still in office. That time is for taking that sweet corporate "lobbyism" money.
Former PM and future wifey for lifey
Curious question, did she push for this when she was PM?
Fuck outta here with your bullshit. She just didn't get the backing needed for it.
https://gpa.net/blogs/emea-1/finland-new-prime-minister-s-four-day-working-week-plan
She made a supportive claim in a party meeting, didn't do action about it. Nothing bullshit unless the story is deeper behind public eyes
https://www.is.fi/politiikka/art-2000006208835.html
For this topic, native or primary sources are better
Also we could deep dive on the "during PM" slice. she said she supports it in Aug 2019, Cabinet forms in December. Believe me (or not) I tried to stay sharp if the topic gains any official action during the time
Edit: this I can't get a link to because twitter but apparently: Finnish Government, using the handle @FinGovernment. January 7, 2020:
"In the Finnish Government´s program there is no mention about 4-day week. Issue is not on the Finnish Government's agenda. PM @marinsanna envisioned idea briefly in a panel discussion last August while she was the Minister of Transport, and there hasn't been any recent activity."
They had to officially declare this because the urban legend was spreading.
After leaving office? Sure, she's said she still supports the idea. Hope this helps
Yeah right, and how many trillionaires does Finland have? How can I ever become a trillionaire if we waste money on things like work-life balance? Get that woke dei stuff out of here.
/s since you can never be sure
FORMER...always nice when they come up with great ideas AFTER they've left office.
Achually she had this idea before she was PM.
Had this idea before, has this idea after, it seems the "during" part is the problem somehow.
Finland's debt to GDP ratio is pretty high, they probably couldn't actually afford this anymore without increasing taxes. 10 years ago maybe. At 86% debt to GDP they're the 7th highest in the EU and I read a while ago that it it was projected to surpass 100% soon.
Now that 100% is an arbitrary number because GDP is an annual number and debt is not, but overall the ratio is still an useful number because it essentially measures how big a % of the entire GDP needs to be paid as interest on bonds and whatnot (multiply debt to GDP ratio by average bond interest)
The catch is that less work time actually INCREASES productivity.
In some scenarios. Some types of office work in particular, and not for everyone. Some people work best in short spurts, some do not. Those of us who qualify are incredibly privileged, as are the industries we work for.
Now try this with manufacturing, healthcare, etc. 24 hour weeks means that to get the same output, you have to hire nearly twice as many employees, at the same monthly cost per employee. There probably aren't enough qualified unemployed people around to do that, so it's easier to just let productivity drop (and do hospitals REALLY need so many people around 24/7? At nearly 2x the cost, perhaps not - can't just increase pricing to make up for the cost increase in a single-payer system).
Depends on the situation. Suddenly going to 60% of the work load isn't suddenly going to make the country or it's people more productive. You'd need to hire more people to get the work done and Finland's unemployment rate is already at 13%. So this would be a pretty poor solution when it comes to economics for everyone, unless you pay people less because they are working less hours.
I have thought of this. Paying people less could work out alright if you bring down their living costs. Housing is most of that and a lot of that cost goes to profit for banks.
Bring the cost of housing down and a lot of people will probably be happy to reduce hours worked. If you have a high unemployment rate there should be plenty of people to cover those extra hours too.
Bring down the costs of housing, food, oh, and entertainment as well. Guess you could bring down restaurant costs if you pay people less, but then you have the same exact problem being asked here.
Food is pocket change compared to housing.
Having a house: £1300/month Food: £40/month if I eat a lot of cheese
At least in the US, food expenditures are roughly 15-20% of income. Housing is 30%.
Is that food or is that takeaway fees? I know a depressing number of people who live off takeaways, it must cost a fortune and I don't know if they will live to 40.
I think you'd have to get rid of going out as well, but food is food.
Looking at the meat consumption per capita in the US I can't help but think its a skill issue.
Gotta have protein bro! Look at all this protein. Eat 3 chickens for breakfast! Gotta build muscle!! 8 steak milkshake! Protein!!!
What you guys need is fiber. Eat some oats. They cost fuck all. No, not the brand named sachets of oats, get large bags of plain rolled oats.
Erm, this will either cut profits for the sellers, or the pay will go down way more than the housing price.
But I also see there being hidden economic benefits to having more free time.
More time to stitch, repair, learn, take care of yourself.
Less medical costs and damages.
I am quite curious on what the science will say on this.
We need another experiment.
What exeriment would you propose then?
60% work hours for ALL jobs in a small town, to measure how it actually affects productivity.
But this includes things like healthcare, opinions of the people working there, opinions of the business workers, etc.
See where it helps and where it makes things worse.
I have a feeling that many people would choose time ober money though.
Productivity, but not production. They would still produce less than now, how much less is just not a simple ratio calculation.
Not the reddit yellow text posts, I beg thee
I will never not find it funny that most of us are on Lemmy because we agree that Reddit is a cesspool, yet a very goodly portion of our content it just Reddit reposted to Lemmy.
I guess, but the problem with reddit isn't the format or a good chunk of the content.
I brought a meme folder with me when I migrated that I slowly repost from so on a level I get it but stuff like this is just straight from a content farm. I get that maybe it's good for motivating normies to not start down the bro podcast pipeline or something but this has got to be the meme equivalent of pregnant spiderman/elsa videos. Why bring it here?
Does it even fit the me_irl theme too?
While we're at it, let's also add "What is your resppnse to her?" at the end of the title to boost engangement for the shareholders
That's cool but, what is she doing as a former politician to further this goal?
Using the power of celebrity which is probably the most useful thing to do in that situation.
It would've been useful to stay to lead the social democrats but she bailed on that right after the elections. A lot of people voted for her, leaving them feel like they've been cheated
Im not familiar with the governmental structure there.
Is there legislation or a reform that she's pursuing?
Or is this like a general statement on spending more time with family?
I doubt there's some legislation, I haven't heard about her in quite some time. It seems she's largely left national politics
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The People Have Spoken
Double their hours, halve the pay, murder their parents, and castrate them before they have any kids.


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