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[–] 90 points 3 months ago (24 children)

Is this the person whose big "scandal" was being photographed at a club?

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  • [–] 60 points 3 months ago (21 children)

    I think that was the one where she was unreachable by the government (this was still the covid times, 2021) which is a no-no and was seen as dancing with/maybe kissing another man (a celebrity) while her husband was at home with their daughter. (They separated some time after) That soured a lot of people's view on her. Of course her being a young woman was further incrimination to many of her opponents.

    Another similar scandal was the house party video where she was allegedly doing coke. I don't think anything was proven there. Someone on the video was yelling "powder gang" which is weird but not exactly solid evidence, but it became a huge meme and just solidified her reputation as a "party girl", something beneath the position of a PM.

    I think those were the bigger non-politics scandals.

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  • [–] 60 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    I wish my leader were only an adulterer and cocaine user.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (13 children)

    We have a different sort of bar here I suppose hah. Then again, she was judged extra hard for being a young woman in that position.

    But it also genuinely wasn't appropriate behaviour (to be videotaped doing) for a PM.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Nah the appropriateness or lack of it was invented. Worst she's done is join the Tony Blair Institute, just another capitalist

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (10 children)

    I don't know what you mean by invented. A lot of people thought partying drunk on video wasn't really appropriate behaviour for the PM. People don't mind (at least as much) if it happens behind closed doors, but Marin unfortunately had shitty enough friends that they posted that stuff online. That sort of stuff eroded a lot of respect for her and it was already an uphill battle since she was a young woman, she had to fight double as hard as a middle aged man in her position would've had to.

    I didn't really mind her partying and stuff, but it was just a bad look. Her fooling the voters later on was much worse imo than just being drunk on camera. That later thing really soured me on her.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I mean how you said

    she was judged extra hard for being a young woman in that position

    none of the topics, breakfast, dancing, etc were issues in any other case. Yeah younger generations live with phones and might have stupid friends. It's not a national crisis without being forced to be one

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    It would've been a scandal with any pm if you have a drunken party on video, with the accusations of drugs and extramarital affairs.

    She just got it harder because she was a young woman pm. But it's wasn't a thing just because of that

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Meh, there's currently a bigger scandal with less effects

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    The parliament was convened during summer break for a special session to vote on whether the government still has the confidence of the parliament. That's pretty big. And it's been the main topic in news for a while now. And it's not like the corruption investigation and the ripples from that are over.

    Marin got shit from those videos and accusations, but it didn't really become a huge parliamentary deal same way as this corruption case has. Tbf they're two very different sort of scandals

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    both are in a sense trumpian/post-truth. the current one being swept under the rug and pretending nothing happened, and the marin case pretending something more happened than did

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    This corruption case has had a parliamentary vote about confidence in the government during the summer break in a special session and has been by far the biggest thing in the news for a while now, being talked about constantly. And the thing isn't even over yet...

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    it has been a show for show's sake. a vote with a majority coalition doesn't really matter until they start to vote against each other

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    I'm just talking about it being swept under the rug. Parliamentary vote on confidence of government and an investigation by the chancellor of justice is as much as you'd expect from most of these, most of the time. And as far as media goes, being the top news by far for however long this has been going on is the highest that can really go.

    Some would definitely want to sweep it under the rug but that hasn't happened. Far from it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    sure, is being actively swept under the rug is different. I guess we'll see if this ever leads to anything concrete (and not just "oh they will get less votes from the public")

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    This sort of old boy network corruption revelations rarely leads to much parliamentary or criminal repercussions. This has been a very widely reported on and has done reputational damage to National Coalition and it might be the best result we'll get.

    There's a chance the chancellor of justice's investigation results in something but we'll see.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    "powder gang"

    I would like to add that it's very likely they were not yelling this, "jauhojengi", at all but "jallujengi" which would be about drinking Jaloviina, Finnish cut brandy. Link to a wikipedia page. I fucking love Jallu and will always spread the Gospel of Jaloviina.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I don't know about likely, most heard "jauhojengi" and at the time I listened to it a bunch too and couldn't hear "jallujengi" myself. And I was her supporter so I had a reason to hear it that way hah

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I couldn't hear the "jauho" at all, did a blind hearing once the videos came out. Blue dress, gold dress I guess. :D

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    My entire working life (multiple decades) it's been a pretty common thing to hear co-workers say some variation of

    "I feel like my life is on fast forward"

    Because they aren't absorbing their own lives because they spend most of it away from the things that matter, solving problems for other people, in order to benefit a small percentage of people more than they benefit from their own labor.

    Everyone has different beliefs. I don't believe we're going anywhere after this. This is it. One shot. One blip in a vast universe, then nothing.

    That makes me very tired of this bullshit.

    I understand the value of work. I understand we wouldn't have roads or homes or grocery stores without it. But I've always advocated for exactly what's being advocated for here. 4 days. 6 hours a piece. 4 days is still the majority of your week and 6 hours is perfect because studies show productivity tanks after that anyways and those extra 2 hours means actually having dinner with your family or helping them with homework, or mowing the lawn, or whatever.

    It's a solid balance and we should be demanding it, not asking for it.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    This is what I did at my company. Just better. Come and go as you please, no matter what. As long as the agreed upon work is somehow done. Come at 3am leave at 4am? Whatever. That plus profit-sharing made fucking happy employees who actually enjoyed working.

    Why should anyone care if you're here 8hrs? Most people just waste probably half of it with procrastination or just strategic incompetence.

    That rule was for everyone of course, janitor "upwards".

    Also everyone got double market-average, free food and beverages.

    Could've made a lot more money, but who needs that? Why me 99% and everyone else shares the 1%? That is an unsustainable model (for people, not for companies though), extremely unfair and unjust. How could I look into a mirror with dignity when ripping off everyone else?

    Sadly I seems to be the exception, not the rule 😐

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I go with the social contract thing. I am nixe to people until they breach the contract, then it is open bar.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    This is what we should be fighting for. That and 25 dollars minimum wage. Even fucking Bernie Sanders misses the boat on this. He fights for the minimum wage but 40 hour work week and the "return of overtime " fucking hate it when mentions that. No one should have to or want to work longer hours. Bullshit!

    6 hour 4 day work week is the way and the fight that unfortunately America will never adopt.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    $25/hr is not a livable wage if you're only gonna get 24 hours a week.

    One would still need to work 40-50 hrs a week, it would just be more livable due to getting OT sooner.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Why I believe in the work 6 hours 4 days a week but get paid as working 40 hours.

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    No minimum wage (at least in Oklahoma) can be $25 an hour. But you work 6 hours 4 days a week. But get paid as if you worked 8 hours 5 days a week. Roughly 1000 dollars a week gross pay.

    If you want to work over 6 hours then you should be paid time and half for any work over the 24 hours you work.

    That should be how it handled. And minimum wage should not only be tied to inflation, but should be higher depending on where you live. Example New York state should have much higher minimum wage the 25.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    Pretty much every software that calculates and processes payroll would have to be rewritten. Just Intuit alone would instantly have that proposal taken out back and shot.

    $25 is more politically palatable than $42 though.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago

    I mean I can believe in sky daddy as well, but doesn't mean it's reality. Know how we went from 80 hour weeks to 40 hour weeks? A lot of people died, and a whole lot of immigrants were needed to make up the hours, oh and women were now needed in the workforce as well, because pay certainly wasn't going to raise high enough to keep up with costs. I'm not sure forcing more people to work ultimately for less is a great idea. Seems easier to push minimum wages up, or better yet, to unionize so minimum wages aren't needed as companies wouldn't be able to hire for less than the labor is worth (or simply wouldn't exist as a business).

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Im sorry but how will this increase shareholder value? hmm? Will anybody think of the shareholders?

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    So uh...what is the citizenship application process? Finland is worth dying for rn.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Former pm, this wouldn't actually happen.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Why is it that the right ideas only happen before or after holding useful positions?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    She did push for such during her time holding the position from what I have seen thus far. She came into office in 2019 and was voted out in 2023 because the economy suffered around the world after COVID, and that was enough to sink many countries into believing they needed change.

    Note Finland had the lowest death percentages in the EU, the GDP didn't collapse hard like some, she pushed for work from home and minimal contact.

    Oh and she apparently was focused on getting Ukraine into the EU. Which one could say was hobbled by a couple people, but one of those was recently taken from power. So only time will tell

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Curious question, did she push for this when she was PM?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    She made a supportive claim in a party meeting, didn't do action about it. Nothing bullshit unless the story is deeper behind public eyes

    https://demokraatti.fi/sdpn-120-vuotisjuhlassa-visioitiin-tulevaa-sanna-marin-miksei-4-paivan-tyoviikko-ja-6-tunnin-tyopaiva-voisi-olla-seuraava-tavoite

    https://www.is.fi/politiikka/art-2000006208835.html

    https://yle.fi/a/74-20119756

    For this topic, native or primary sources are better

    Also we could deep dive on the "during PM" slice. she said she supports it in Aug 2019, Cabinet forms in December. Believe me (or not) I tried to stay sharp if the topic gains any official action during the time

    Edit: this I can't get a link to because twitter but apparently: Finnish Government, using the handle @FinGovernment. January 7, 2020:

    "In the Finnish Government´s program there is no mention about 4-day week. Issue is not on the Finnish Government's agenda. PM @marinsanna envisioned idea briefly in a panel discussion last August while she was the Minister of Transport, and there hasn't been any recent activity."

    They had to officially declare this because the urban legend was spreading.

    After leaving office? Sure, she's said she still supports the idea. Hope this helps

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Every controversy with that woman continues to be basically this meme.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah right, and how many trillionaires does Finland have? How can I ever become a trillionaire if we waste money on things like work-life balance? Get that woke dei stuff out of here.

    /s since you can never be sure

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (20 children)

    FORMER...always nice when they come up with great ideas AFTER they've left office.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Achually she had this idea before she was PM.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Had this idea before, has this idea after, it seems the "during" part is the problem somehow.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Finland's debt to GDP ratio is pretty high, they probably couldn't actually afford this anymore without increasing taxes. 10 years ago maybe. At 86% debt to GDP they're the 7th highest in the EU and I read a while ago that it it was projected to surpass 100% soon.

    Now that 100% is an arbitrary number because GDP is an annual number and debt is not, but overall the ratio is still an useful number because it essentially measures how big a % of the entire GDP needs to be paid as interest on bonds and whatnot (multiply debt to GDP ratio by average bond interest)

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    The catch is that less work time actually INCREASES productivity.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    In some scenarios. Some types of office work in particular, and not for everyone. Some people work best in short spurts, some do not. Those of us who qualify are incredibly privileged, as are the industries we work for.

    Now try this with manufacturing, healthcare, etc. 24 hour weeks means that to get the same output, you have to hire nearly twice as many employees, at the same monthly cost per employee. There probably aren't enough qualified unemployed people around to do that, so it's easier to just let productivity drop (and do hospitals REALLY need so many people around 24/7? At nearly 2x the cost, perhaps not - can't just increase pricing to make up for the cost increase in a single-payer system).

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (11 children)

    Depends on the situation. Suddenly going to 60% of the work load isn't suddenly going to make the country or it's people more productive. You'd need to hire more people to get the work done and Finland's unemployment rate is already at 13%. So this would be a pretty poor solution when it comes to economics for everyone, unless you pay people less because they are working less hours.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I have thought of this. Paying people less could work out alright if you bring down their living costs. Housing is most of that and a lot of that cost goes to profit for banks.

    Bring the cost of housing down and a lot of people will probably be happy to reduce hours worked. If you have a high unemployment rate there should be plenty of people to cover those extra hours too.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    Bring down the costs of housing, food, oh, and entertainment as well. Guess you could bring down restaurant costs if you pay people less, but then you have the same exact problem being asked here.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Food is pocket change compared to housing.

    Having a house: £1300/month Food: £40/month if I eat a lot of cheese

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    At least in the US, food expenditures are roughly 15-20% of income. Housing is 30%.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Is that food or is that takeaway fees? I know a depressing number of people who live off takeaways, it must cost a fortune and I don't know if they will live to 40.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think you'd have to get rid of going out as well, but food is food.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    Looking at the meat consumption per capita in the US I can't help but think its a skill issue.

    Gotta have protein bro! Look at all this protein. Eat 3 chickens for breakfast! Gotta build muscle!! 8 steak milkshake! Protein!!!

    What you guys need is fiber. Eat some oats. They cost fuck all. No, not the brand named sachets of oats, get large bags of plain rolled oats.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Erm, this will either cut profits for the sellers, or the pay will go down way more than the housing price.

    But I also see there being hidden economic benefits to having more free time.

    More time to stitch, repair, learn, take care of yourself.

    Less medical costs and damages.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I am quite curious on what the science will say on this.

    We need another experiment.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    What exeriment would you propose then?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    60% work hours for ALL jobs in a small town, to measure how it actually affects productivity.

    But this includes things like healthcare, opinions of the people working there, opinions of the business workers, etc.

    See where it helps and where it makes things worse.

    I have a feeling that many people would choose time ober money though.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Not the reddit yellow text posts, I beg thee

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I will never not find it funny that most of us are on Lemmy because we agree that Reddit is a cesspool, yet a very goodly portion of our content it just Reddit reposted to Lemmy.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago*

    I brought a meme folder with me when I migrated that I slowly repost from so on a level I get it but stuff like this is just straight from a content farm. I get that maybe it's good for motivating normies to not start down the bro podcast pipeline or something but this has got to be the meme equivalent of pregnant spiderman/elsa videos. Why bring it here?

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    That's cool but, what is she doing as a former politician to further this goal?

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Using the power of celebrity which is probably the most useful thing to do in that situation.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    It would've been useful to stay to lead the social democrats but she bailed on that right after the elections. A lot of people voted for her, leaving them feel like they've been cheated

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Im not familiar with the governmental structure there.

    Is there legislation or a reform that she's pursuing?

    Or is this like a general statement on spending more time with family?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I doubt there's some legislation, I haven't heard about her in quite some time. It seems she's largely left national politics

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    [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    former

    The People Have Spoken

    Double their hours, halve the pay, murder their parents, and castrate them before they have any kids.

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