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[–] 84 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Musk announced on social media that “Grok for Excel is live,” referencing the platform’s conversational AI tool.

Hahahahaha wtf is this shit?

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    No, you don't get it, Musk has a plan.

    • Step 1: It fails utterly and completely.
    • Step 2: Musk goes on Twitter/X, and says, "Had to add more math to training data."
    • Step 3: CSAM and MechaHitler for some reason.
    • Step 4: Musk demands to speak to Grok's manager.

    After that, it's basically a straight line to success.

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  • [–] [S] 165 points 3 months ago (17 children)

    First round of insider shareholders haven’t legally been allowed to even liquidate yet. This will be a bloodbath.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    do we know when that's gonna happen? i heard they used some loopholes to allow insider holders to sell early.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    It's more a question what'll happen to the other AI companies. Investors have now seen the first of the big ones tank. They'll wonder if the same will happen with OpenAI, Antrophic and other AI adjacent like Microsoft, Nvidia. For a bunch of companies living of venture capital, that's deadly.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    I thought SpaceX made space rockets?

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  • [–] 45 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    After the merger with xAI, that's about 22% of their business. The rest is AI. The brochure will tell you about reaching for the stars and living on Mars, but the main product is actually Grok.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Which just goes to show you how bullshit the profit margins are on space travel when they gotta turn the business into a chat bot to be "profitable"

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I mean the only part of SpaceX making money is the space part, starlink

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    A part of the space part !

    I read that if space x worked perfectly today, they have to do some 470 launches to just equalize Ariane because of the enormous cost spacex have had.

    Hopefully we (the EU) will make reusable rockets for less...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    It had nothing to do with profit and everything to do with the tens of billions in debt that was coming due. The merger then ipo was just to dump that bill on the public.

    It's even questionable to me if some of the space x investors will be able to get out above water... Some of those shares were sold at insanely high values then diluted. Fuck them all of course, but seems likely all this ipo achieves is another year or so of runway for the ponzi

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I disagree. That part is actually a somewhat reasonable business (though partially held up by public funds through contracts). The issue isn't what part is profitable. The issue is what part is getting all the investment and speculation. SpaceX was probably still overvalued for a space company, but they were doing something with measurable tangible value. The AI side is pure promise, and it's only speculation, and the speculation is wild. It's valued higher than something that's actually making profit.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I get what you're getting at, but I'd argue that we should look holistically at spacex. If their business model is launching a bazillion satellites and making a bazillion dollars we have to look at the entire launch complex as operating capital of starlink and spaceai. It all depends on starship launching a bazillion times a day so we should include development costs of starship as costs of starlink. The need for these businesses are necessary because the boom in private bookings of rocket launches that was anticipated with cheap launch services hasn't materialized and so they have an airport and planes without passengers.

    I ain't no rocket economist but it seems "all the money" that starlink makes arent enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I was wondering why the stock price was so high. Makes a lot of sense now.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Funny way to put it. Since it really makes even less sense to be valued higher with twitter and grok added. Since they both lose money.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    As much as I hate them, losing money is not the same as having negative value. Yeah, the current number is total bullshit, but they do have a value that's greater than 0. Information control has a value, and that's what they provide.

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  • [–] 68 points 3 months ago

    It can go lower!

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago

    not low enough

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    [–] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Buttlicker, our price have never been lower!

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    What an epic pump-n-dump.

    I figured that would happen

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    Exit liquidity, bunch of IPOs this year gonna fall the same pattern.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Not tech, but good news nevertheless :D

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Still paychotic its even at $120.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Ha, eat shit Elon.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Oh no! Anyway.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Its barely got history on the stock market so its hardly a 'record low'. Just say the price has dipped and leave it at that.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, but that doesn't make for good clickbait.

    And most people who will click on this article don't have a fundamental understanding of the stock market, investing, or why this isn't really that big of a deal.

    (Still, however, don't invest in SpaceX. The stock is structured so retail investors don't have meaningful voting rights.)

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    If it’s the lowest it’s been to date, it’s literally a record low. Calling it that is accurate and usefully descriptive.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    How is that 'useful'? If you had zero prior knowlege you'd be forgiven for thinking they had been trading for decades.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I don't think the price of space x shares matter at all to someone who didn't know it released recently. And if they decided they suddenly do care, they could just open the article and read it.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    It’s useful because it’s literally true. The stock hit its all time low. That interesting if the stock is decades old, and it’s interesting if the stock is weeks old. Whatever a person imagines has no bearing on any of that.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    For a good laugh have a stroll through the yahoo finance comments. It's bounced back up to 126ish now. The hooting noises are just...so funny to hear.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Hope somebody here shorted 1000 shares the day they hit $220.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    There's been 3 or 4 IPOs now, where ive wanted to buy puts for 6m to 1y out when I see a peak like that, and im always afraid to pull the trigger.

    In this case i saw it hit 220, and come back down to 200ish, and I said if it goes back to 220+ ill get a few.

    It never went back up.

    Maybe next IPO.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    This is a GOOD TAKE by YOU. The big danger on puts is that you can AT MOST make 100% of the investment if the company collapses completely to $0. If, for whatever reason (the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent), the stock explodes upwards, you can be on the hook for WAY more than 100% if the stock increases dramatically.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Thats not how puts work. Thats shorting the stock directly.

    A put is an options contract. You can never lose more than your purchase.

    If you pay $5.00 for a Jan $50 strike, you pay $500 (1 contract is 100 shares). As the date comes closer it becomes worth less, but as it approaches $50 or goes below it also becomes worth more. You can make a lot of money on a far out of the money put that goes near or in the money.

    If it was $50 in November that put might be worth $40 (x100) so $4,000 and you paid $500.

    The put becomes worth nothing if its over $50 by strike date.

    Its a much safer way to bet against something than directly shorting.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    To nobody's surprise

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    [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    This is expected for a stock like this. What we’ll now be able to see in the next few months is where the real valuation stands.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    There's a fucking surprise.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    So at what point should we start slowly pulling money out of banks for the inevitable collapse

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    One successful launch and it will be up to $350. The stock market is illegitimate.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Looks like there’s a starlink launch later today, and then a satellite resupply mission, both on Falcon 9s. Which is good because the falcon 9 is an incredibly reliable launch platform that should boost investor confidence.

    And then on Thursday they’re gonna blow up another starship.

    So we’ll see it tick up today and tomorrow, and then probably plummet again when investors see roughly $1,000,000,000 get turned into literal ash on livestream.

    Who’s ready to watch the rollercoaster?

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