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[–] 208 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Someone pays for every camera that goes down. It just is not Flock.

The bolt cutters do not send Flock an invoice. They send one to the city.

That's the point. People know their city has to pay for these things, and the patriotic act of cutting down these cameras means that each camera down makes the Flock contract just that much more expensive to maintain. Cities aren't going to cut budget items just to keep the ever-increasing costs of maintaining a Flock contract. They'll drop the contract.

I do agree that people should be publicly commenting and contacting their city council members as well. Demoralizing the politicians who vote for this is important as well.

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  • [–] 70 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    YUP, keep cutting them AND harass bad acting politicians, these people are not acting in good faith and have to be confronted and pressured past going to a townhall and pointing out their corrupt since they won't listen and will just have you dragged out be security.

    Police can only arrest so many and if they start abusing people, or worse, 'escalate'. if your not capable of doing then then I suggest moving if you can, if your not able to do that either, then I guess your just going to have to enjoy authoritarianism like a coward.

    Authoritarianism has never been defeated without at least the courcion of violence being present.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Nope, keep cutting them AND harass bad acting politicians,

    That's precisely what I said. We are actually in agreement!

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Shit, read to quick, my sentiment still stand tho

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  • [–] 117 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    What a boot licking article

    Cheers to the bolt cutters

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  • [–] 116 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (13 children)

    law enforcement sources have put the running national tally at more than two dozen destroyed cameras across five states dating back to April of last year.

    Wait, what? Your saying this article and all this concern is over about 25 cameras? Like not 25,000, just 25?

    The bigger concern I have is that only 25 cameras have been vandalized... I thought this was more of a popular movement, but those aren't "national popular movement" numbers.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Yes. Twenty-five cameras is not a movement. It's a handful of pissed off vandals, maybe trying to start a movement.

    This guy discovered that Flock cameras are terribly easy to hack, which might be harder to trace.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    "This guy"? You mean Benn Jordan? He's not exactly a small YouTuber.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    God forbid someone not know or care about YouTube cam whores.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    dawg what do you mean by calling him a YouTube cam whore

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago

    Harvesting clicks/views for money. Almost all of it is worthless shit and awful people. Sure, there are a few cam whore out there with a amazing personalities who really are putting themselves through college and taking care of orphans, but lost in the social media sea of assholes the individual cam whore still averages out to 'asshole'.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Benn Jordan makes, IMO, some of the best content. His stuff is intelligent and highly informative.

    Saying "this guy" instead of just using his name doesn't give the proper due credit.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I believe the world would be a better place if social media, including streaming sites, were shut down and the "influencers" on them were all burned to death. Perhaps he's one of the handful of decent people who would be lost in the purge of shit. Don't really care.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I believe the world would be a better place if social media, including streaming sites, were shut down

    I agree. But your framing of someone you clearly have no knowledge about as a "cam whore" is a horrible and disingenuous thing to say.

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    There are a lot steeper punishments for this in the US. Your entire life can get screwed if you get caught, truly takes balls to take them down.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I have to pass through at least 3 to leave my neighborhood. I hate it. I want to cut them down or otherwise destroy them, but I have absolutely no clue how to do it without getting caught and landing myself in jail. I've tried to look up a tutorial or guide on tor, but it really is just entirely drug trafficking and honey pots on there.

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  • [–] 79 points 3 months ago

    These are the true patriots.. not those uneducated ignorant cultish red hat muppets.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago

    Heroes with Hacksaws!

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Perhaps on Facebook marketplace posts will show up, selling the Solarpanels and camera

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago*

    If we learned anything from kalshi, it's that you can pay people for crimes as long as you go though a marketplace.
    So go on ebay, go on craigslist and tell them you want to buy their exact camera model in bulk.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    the irony of mentioning facebook in a post like that. if you use facebook, you are part of the problem.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    It’s still important for people to have access to used goods and Facebook is one of a few platforms that provides that for free and has a large enough user base that you can find what you need.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    so you are saying if flock provided access to find good garage sales in your city it woild be ok? as bad as flock is, and its bad... facebook is so so much worse. nobidy violates your privacy and tracks you like facebook

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Facebook isn’t in contract to track citizens for cops. It does so digitally for ad agencies, but not physically for the police.

    The difference is pretty stark and as bad as giving your data to Facebook is, Flock is an immediate threat that we can see and interact with. There are no Facebook street cameras capturing license plates.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    wait.. you really think facebook only tracks for ad companies? i mean cambridge analytica is a huge welk known scandal.

    your i fo is going tk i surance companies, governments, credit card companies. they track every action you do, even if you dont have an account.. https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/shadow-profiles-facebook-has-information-you-didnt-hand-over/

    did you really think people hate favebook that much because they track for advetisers?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    You can’t even acknowledge that Flock sends police to people’s houses as a business model and lets them be stalked by law enforcement?

    Facebook’s business model is also bad, but every time I mention the company the post is about, you change goalposts. Facebook is optional.

    Flock can’t be opted out of and has to be actively protested. You have to voice your concern at town hall to stop Flock.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago

    Please begs Yahoo, won't anyone think of the tax dollars our city needs to pay to replace thsee distopian surveillance systems after they are cut down?

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    two dozen cameras destroyed? Gotta pump those numbers up

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  • [+] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sending a bill to the city is just as good as flock getting one. They are the ones still paying for replacements, so they should also be punished

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    It's better.

    Cities have to report on their budgets, and spending more taxpayer money replacing cameras the public doesn't want that are very much in the public eye is something many City Councils won't want to continue.

    For cities where Council is split on the issue, this kind of expense is the kind of thing that may push that last vote over the threshold to cancel the contract.

    Flock still makes its money, but their contracts aren't renewed and the cameras are covered up, so it's a win overall.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago*

    It seems like a two man job. If you just cut the pole willy-nilly, it could come down wrong and fuck you up.

    Also the biggest risk seems like your approach, in light of every doorbell being a camera anymore, other Flock cameras, etc...

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    law enforcement sources have put the running national tally at more than two dozen destroyed cameras across five states dating back to April of last year

    with how much i’ve been reading about it i’m pretty surprised that it’s so few cameras getting destroyed.

    we need to work harder at this i guess.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Rookie number for a whole country. Not even on par with the number of states. But lets inflate the impact of this minor problem for a huge big buck bubba buttfucker spy cult.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This was almost certainly written by AI. Some of the text patterns are unmistakable

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Can we use laser pointers to fry the camera iris?

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, because any laser powerful enough to burn out the sensor is powerful enough to bounce back and blind a bystander.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    No. I looked up the capability of lasers to permanently damage an image sensor. You'd have to get a powerful laser, small enough to be carried around, and keep it on your target at a distance. Such a laser would be expensive and not readily available for purchase, and trying to aim it would be nearly impossible without a tripod.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I keep hearing that 1 watt lasers will indeed damage a camera. Destroy, not sure. They are available from many online retailers or just go to any large city and buy them at dodgy vape stores.

    A 1 watt laser WILL fuck your eyes. Be smart.

    Also, green lasers are very visible and will attract attention. Ultraviolet lasers are not.visible by humans. Just saying.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    no loss at all

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Love it.

    I actually made my weekly video about Jeff Sovern and his Anti-Flock vigilantism last week. If anyone out there is bored, give it a watch and enjoy.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago

    Me watching this whole debacle:

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