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[–] 14 points 3 months ago

Exactly what's written on the bible

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The USA is a corporate welfare state, I wish it was capitalist at this point, that would be an immense improvement.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 3 months ago

    Corporate welfare IS an inevitable consequence of capitalism.

    Capitalism is an ideology that venerates the accumulation of capital over everything else.

    Nothing helps with capital accumulation like under-regulated and over-advantaged corporations.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (50 children)

    To be fair, what we're doing now isn't capitalism, it's corporatocracy. It's the end stage of capitalism, the part of the Monopoly game where one guy has all the properties except the dude with the railroads, and the rest of us are hoping to land on Free Parking.

    You shop from a handful of large conglomerates and they're fixing the prices.

    There's no (beneficial) innovation. There's no competition. We're essentially in a truck system going into debt trying to survive from the company store.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago (38 children)

    just to be a pedantic ass: the “end stage” of capitalism is still capitalism. it’s like the end stage of cancer is still called cancer; we need to continue to reference the fact that capitalism is destroying all it touches.

    new phrases or labels only cleave attention spans in a world already designed (by capitalism) to have no focus.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago

    I don't think it still counts as capitalism when it's no longer a market economy. We get all our goods from an oligopoly that fixes prices like a cartel, only for all goods and services that consumers buy.

    It's like when the body in question is more cancer than it is healthy tissue, the system doesn't come close to behaving like its prior iterations.

    The only step from here is collapse into war and famine.

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  • [+] -12 points 3 months ago (35 children)

    Then the end stage of communism, is communism.

    What Stalin did, is the end of communism. What followed was the decline and lack of innovation.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    no it wasn't, at least according to marx, who they claimed to follow
    the stage BEFORE communism was the dictatorship of the proletariat, which they decided was extended, and they were representing the will of the people
    so it actually never got to communism

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    But it did... and that's the joke.

    There is no "end stage" communism or capitalism that fits their own purity tests; they are both ideals that we haven't managed to accomplish as a society, ever.

    So, as far as humanity is concerned, what results in the attempt to reach that ideal is communism/capitalism as we know it (not as we imagine it will be at some point in future).

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  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    All forms of larger scale attempts at communism ends with dictatorship. There is no other practical way to enforce the "correct way" of existing within the human species. Correct according to who? Religion is pretty similar to communism in that way. There is either a God/king that expresses what you are allowed to do, or a written text that is followed at the moral guideline.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Aside from the deliberate efforts by the west to destabilize any socialist or communist movements, staged coups to overthrow democratically elected leaders, and rampant pro capitalist/anti communist propaganda, a much better large scale similarity would be to the wildly successful open source movement where the product/service is free to use (moneyless), contribute to (classless), and owned in commons (by and for the proletariat).

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (21 children)
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    Thats just even more fucked up libertarianism.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    i think you mistake anarchism with anarcho-capitalism

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    Ah I see, you are American. Sorry for your circumstances.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Nope. Just blessed with the ability to summarize ideologies in a succinct fashion.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    If by " summarize ideologies in a succinct fashion" you mean "be completely wrong and lack any understanding of the ideology" the sure.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    The shorthand of "libertarianism, but even more ludicrous" sums it up well.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Cool, so you're just ignorant and proudly so. Gotcha.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Oh, do enlighten me what part of the statement is untrue and start from there. Instead of going to name calling.

    Anarchism is absolutely part of libertarianism, so that is check one.

    Ludicrous, because of it's inherent opposition to structure undermines the idea of a coherent framework of ideals in a society.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (8 children)

    Keep on showcasing how ignorant you are. Go read a book, child.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I've read plenty of them, but please. Bring your own interpretation instead of being a little condescending brat.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    Indeed I have, but please keep embarrassing yourself by not even countering and just going to name calling.

    I suggest reading "Debt" by David Graeber to get a better understanding of the economic effect in social structures. There are plenty of examples of historical societies that have attempted and failed at anarchy. Most of them fail when the people that do the work society needs, get used by those that do not work, eventually leading to violence. That violence goes in opposition of the social agreement, although not necessarily, as there is nothing inherent about anarchism that would hinder violence.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    I have read Debt, as well as Dawn of Everything plus Bullshit Jobs, also by the late prominent anarchist political activist and cultural anthropologist, David Graeber. The irony that you didn't understand that those books are in support of Anarchism. You clearly didn't understand anything about what you read.

    Keep embarrassing yourself. You're doing great at it.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    From that book I understood that anarchism is not going to work. From the words of an anarchist.

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    You are talking about capitalism, you mean... they are talking about communism. Nice attempt to control the conversation while admonishing another for attempting to control the conversation, that's funny, you win a cookie.

    p.s. this is not a one-topic-only discussion, even if you want it to be.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    what we're doing now isn't capitalism, it's corporatocracy.

    Capitalism is an ideology that favors the accumulation of capital over all else and, corporations being the most effective vehicle for doing so, corporatocracy is an inevitable component of it.

    It's the end stage of capitalism, the part of the Monopoly game where one guy has all the properties except the dude with the railroads, and the rest of us are hoping to land on Free Parking.

    AKA the goal of capitalism.

    Monopoly was originally called The Landlord's Game, and was created by a Georgist as a critique of and warning against the inevitable consequences of capitalism and rent seeking as well as an education tool about Georgism.

    It even had a cooperative game mode where the goal was to beat the bank by engaging in the kind of mutually beneficial trade that's antithetical to capitalism.

    That Parker Brothers (now Hasbro) took it and turned it into a popular CELEBRATION of rent seeking is exactly the kind of bullshit Elizabeth Magie was trying to warn people about.

    There's no (beneficial) innovation. There's no competition.

    And that's a natural consequence of capitalism.

    Contrary to the pro-capitalism gaslighting, capitalism is NOT about improving conditions for the many via healthy competition. It's about increasing the wealth of the privileged few by eliminating competition.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    free parking

    That's the tile where nothing happens?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The board game, like the kleptoctacy, was house ruled to death.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Hmmm, true. Isn't it less fun when the game just ends abruptly because someone rolled into free parking? Unless it's endgame like the other person described but I don't imagine that lasting long enough to get too boring. IDK, I don't have friends to play monopoly. This is opposed to other house rules that, could sometimes make the game more fun. Like "you can stack plus cards" in uno makes the game play more like those funny internet videos about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Normally Free Parking is a square where nothing happens, much like landing on GO or Jail. Some households have a rule where they get a bonus for landing on Free Parking, such as all the taxes paid (like Luxury Tax), but officially, it's just a blank square.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    what do you mean by beneficial innovation?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Beneficial innovation is the development of new features of goods that are a benefit. Examples include the invention of interchangeable parts, the power loom which makes textiles better quality and more cheaply, the invention of the point-and-click interface (by Xerox, not Apple) that fundamentally changed computer operating systems and productivity software.

    Contrast malignant innovation such as shrinkflation packaging, software as a service or lobbying government to get subsidies and pass anti-competitive legislation. ETA: A lot of malignant innovation we see in the present day as enshittification but we also see it at the enterprise end, say when Enron pivoted from managing power to manipulating the market after it got overvalued to preserve the illusion of growth, and in so doing defrauding power consumers of California.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Capitalism is meant to prevent the government from controlling all the money and resources and ruling over the people with an iron fist

    But when you don't apply laws and limitations to it, the ultra-rich become the iron fist

    EDIT: Oh, wow I just noticed this is a dbzer0 user posting here and cross-posting to dbzer0. I thought I heard some stuff about that one so I went and read its description: "Communities about Anarchism, Generative AI, Copylefts, Neurodivergence, Filesharing, and Free Software. (And Math!)"

    You should probably just go back to your cave. Why are you even here? Go be ashamed of yourselves, your anarchism and your generative AI. Lemmy World should cut ties with this one.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Ah yes, the evergreen "comment on the headline, never read the article" energy, for a whole instance. You probably don't have a clue what you think you're taking issue with.

    Got any dork-ass ignorant takes about other leftist instances? I have a funny feeling ya juuuuust might!

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    capitalism has so many flaws ... for example the power imbalance with very rich people. we use it because we dont have a better system and thats it IMHO.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Do think who is we in this context.

    No better system for the rich? Yes.

    But you and me are not rich. So how could there be no better system when we can see universal healthcare in countries like Cuba under a blockade and no universal healthcare in the US. Or we can compare home ownership between China and the west.

    Additionally capitalism in not one thing. The Nordic countries are capitalist and provide much better quality of life for their citizens than the USA or eastern Europe.

    I am simplifying it, because capitalism will eventually always lead to austerity, division and hatered. But hopefully if you start thinking in more nuanced way you can see that too.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago

    A principled democratic government limited by checks and balances brings peace, stability, and true representation of the people.

    A well regulated capitalist system that's managed by the previously described government bring wealth, innovation, and higher standards of living.

    They are both important, and things we should strive for. However, we currently have neither.

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    [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    Surely this isn't satire. Right? Right?? Riiight?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    Except that when push comes to shove the second one also chooses capitalism

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Democrats and Republicans agree on opposing proportional representation.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Democracy is more important than capitalism. If anything, capitalism is a danger to democracy.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Dear liberals,

    If we're so wrong all the time why do you call us the right?

    Checkmate

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Use of terms and "right" and "left" is from 1789 France. Supporters of the "Ancien Regime" sat on the President's right side and revolutionaries sat to his left.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    You can have a democratic and capitalist society; you can't with people who are able to legally hold over 500mil.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago

    That can't be true, I've been assured both are exactly the same!

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