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[–] 64 points 4 months ago (9 children)

On the one hand, I'm really excited about this because the printer industry is literally the worst. On the other hand, I haven't printed anything for years, I probably won't use it much/ever.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I print things still pretty consistently. Random forms that need hard copies to have a wet signature, activity sheets for the kids to color, templates for drilling holes in walls, etc. Make the business a lot less toxic and I think you’ll start seeing printers in more homes again.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Say it with me pow-der based to-ners.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    For printing art? :<

    That's why I want a printer, personally. For documents and stuff we can go to the library. Printing kinky furry art, not so much.

    -- Frost

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    My ink printer which has been empty on ink since 2017, is my scanner and nothing else. I think I got that printer free with a mail-in rebate.

    Rememeber when they used to just give printers away with almost anything? Buy a camera you get a printer with a mail-in rebate, but a stereo you get a pritner, buy any computer over 400$ and you get a fuckin' printer 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Anything. Literally anything. I've noticed laser printing for pictures gives that nice quality and it just bumps everything up by a mile. https://www.lexmark.com/en_us/printers/printer/14385/Lexmark-C3224dw

    That's the one I've had for almost ten years.

    The new model is exactly the same and like 350$ but the amount of money you save on ink is incredible. I ate the high upfront cost because I knew I would be saving on ink.

    I got the big bottles of toner powder for like I think 80$ (ebay) which is what the cost of one ink cartridge. So for the cost of an ink cartridge I have 3 1/2 refills worth of powder for my toners.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ooh, good to hear there are laser printers out there that can print good art!

    Also $80 for a cartridge?? holy HECK ink is a ripoff. Wow.

    -- Frost

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Also $80 for a cartridge?? holy HECK ink is a ripoff. Wow.

    I haven't purchased ink in so long I forgot the price. I just googled it. Looks like it could range depending on the brand name and the printer you're getting the ink for could be 15$ could be 60$ depending on full sets or singles but they're so small and run out so quick. You'd be spending 60$ on like three cartridges for what a laser printer could do for less than half of that. And that would be just your black cartridge. So if all of them ran out that's about 80$ a set.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Its probably just much cheaper and easier, unless you absolutely have to have color, to go to good will and get a brother laser printer for like 10 bucks.

    I got one years ago and its still on the original toner cart it came with, and I print decently often.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I tried that once with a Dell LaserJet. Managing printer drivers was a nightmare, and every time I plugged it in, the lights flickered. Eventually I got rid of it because the hassle wasn't worth the effort.

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  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago
    [–] 36 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    It looks really neat! Depending on the price, I might get one :)

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Expect this to be priced like a laser printer. Most inkjet printers are subsidized by cartridge lock in and ink priced higher than platinum by ounce.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Honestly, I don’t mind inkjet as a technology, the quality is plenty good and I don’t give a crap about speed. And as you can see from this design they’re a whole lot more compact. The whole reason I don’t use them is the predatory ink pricing, which this product in theory solves!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    For now, you can get inkjet printers that use liquid ink. Ostensibly Canon wants me to use Canon brand ink for my printer, but there's nothing stopping me from buying some off brand and dumping it in the tanks

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Tank inkjets tend not to be subsidized because of the lack of lock in. They're considerably more expensive than those that use cartridges. So you are paying for the ability to put in whatever you want.

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  • [–] 134 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Would be nice, if it was USB by default and Ethernet/Wifi just a module you attach. For most private users, the IoT part of printers is actually a security hazard. Especially for such a portable device.

    Edit: private users

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  • [–] 54 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    I can’t wait for the laser ink variant!

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Ah, you have one of those electric diesel cars I've been hearing about

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Laser ink as in gray/brown-scale that chars the paper no ink needed!

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    For a reasonable price and good reviews, this could be my next printer.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Aaand its dependent on HP print cartridges. This is a hard problem but the dependence on HP will probably backfire

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    But you can just refill those yourself. The biggest problem with HP printers is that it times out cartridges, even if there's ink left.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    From what I can tell the print head is built into the cartridge and that's the hard part for printer technology.

    But I think you might be right depending only on the hp cartridge will open them up to cease and desist. If they make it also use a cannon cartridge that also has a print head then I think they might be ok

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I think the fact that it's hardware will prevent any cease and desist (or rather the legal teeth behind them). It's not licensed IP but a physical product.

    Like I think of it more like 3rd party car parts. Depending on the part, they often need to target specific makes, models, and even years of cars. It's why so many parts have had encrypted handshakes with the main computer (John Deere is famous for this but I understand some cars are doing it for some parts these days, too) because they couldn't just stop them in the courts.

    I'm not sure that this is how it will work but hopefully. Also selling ink cartridges is how HP makes its money and it uses some of that money to subsidize the printers themselves, so they might like that this printer sells more of those rather than moving entirely away from their ecosystem.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, ultimately it probably does end up selling more cartridges over time. Like even with the refillable ones you still gotta replace them eventually because of the print heads. Honestly, the more I think about it I think I'm just gonna continue to not print things out at my house and just use the Kinko's when I need to for a dime a page. I mean how much do I actually print out anyway. This is the same math I did when decided not to buy another ink cartridge last time my printer stopped working

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I want to support this but what stops me is ink. Is ink the best choice over toner or laser?

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's a pity that it is using the worst printheads available on the market, the HP disposable ones. Good for up to ten prints I guess

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    For anything beyond document printing, I agree with you. But for this use case, the fact that the print head is disposable is a good call. Large plotter printers have dump trays and maintainence cycles to keep the ink liquid and moving, the parts are more expensive to replace.

    Because your only using the head and ink well independently, nothing is counting pages or stopping you from refilling it. Its the best of both sides of consumable parts.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    It is not open source with that license. Pitty Pity.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    As an ESL, I had to look up pitty thinking it has to do with pits

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Pity and Shame typically go hand an hand, you’ll hear people say “That’s a shame” but you can replace shame with pity “That’s a pity” and achieve the same result.

    However when addressing another person, you won’t hear people say “I shame you” instead you’ll hear “I pity you” to show displeasure or anger to another person.

    Hope this helps!

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    inkjet

    Virtually useless unless it supports non consumer ink cartridges or you buy chinese drop in knockoffs.

    And even then only if you need to print graphics/images in high quality.

    All hail laser.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    All hail laser.

    No love for the 9 pin dot matrix?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    My favorite dot matrix memory is printing a like 400 page Breath of Fire 3 strategy guide on a daisy wheel dot matrix, and it took over night to print and everyone in the house complained about the constant ditditditditditditditditdit

    edit: And the ribbon was so worn out that you needed forensic equipment to read it, but i persevered.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Bit late now, but a tiny squirt of WD-40 into the ribbon cartridge often got you another few hundred pages out of it.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    about 30 years too late, lol

    But thats gonna be one of those things thats gonna be stuck in my head for the rest of my life.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    It'll come in handy later on when you're in that government doomsday shelter and you need to print a hard copy of the nuke disarm codes on the line printer that was big enough to need a tarp as a dust cover.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    hooray my fuser has jammed, my transfer belt has stretched, toner is smeared everywhere, my printer weighs a ton.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I have wiped a toner cartridge with a paper towel and chucked thst sucker back into a ye olde HP from 20 years ago with a broken guider clip and it still prints perfectly fine.

    I wiped it because it was leaving a smudge at the edge of the paper after never cleaning the rollers for aforementioned 20 years.

    I guess I can add briefcase printer for mission impossible as a use case for inkjet lol

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Looks nice! I want it. I don't print allot. But i need it to work with linux.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It's cool, but "It uses refillable HP cartridge bodies – HP 63 in the US and HP 302 in Europe" worries me. I used to have a high-end inkjet for art prints, and then they discontinued the ink cartridges. You can still technically get them on ebay, but they're at scalpers mark-up. So I don't hold much hope for this lasting in the long run.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    I would be surprised if a cartridge being discontinued would kill an open source project like this. They could switch to a different cartridge.

    I'd assume they're doing the one for now because it's cheap-ish and has widespread availability. There's little reason not to expand to other cartridges once the rest of the printer is more stable.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'll stick with my 15 year old brother laser that's still works just fine.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    I don't care how "open source" the printer claims to be. Both hardware and software belong to Belzebub. Such was the dark pact printer makers signed in blood decades ago, and all land shall obey by those words. We shall hit the print button and wallow in torment forever.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    There is still work to do before it lands in users' hands. The team says it is optimizing the ink-drying system, refining printhead cleaning cycles, improving paper insertion, and trying to boost print speeds. On the software side, work continues on Wi-Fi and Ethernet connectivity, as well as dithering algorithms designed to improve image quality.

    Here's the video of it in action:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB7iAFXCJQM

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If someone can make an open-source 24 pin dot matrix printer, that would rule.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    We're 20 years late on this

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Thinking about my most recent desire to have a printer, which I haven't had in many years, I was building a bed, and it would have been nice to have a cut sheet printout to take to the garage. Instead, I used my tablet, which worked well enough.

    It's so rare that I use paper for taking notes, I have to track down something to write on, often it's an envelope.

    It'd be nice to have a printer around for occasional use, but I'm afraid the ink would dry up between uses.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Get a cheap laser printer. The toner won't dry out, and you can get a very reliable printer for cheap. The Xpress series from Samsung was cheap and very reliable. Unfortunately, Samsung does not manufacture printers any more and their printer business was bought by HP. I have no idea how new HP models compare to the old ones.

    I'd probably look at Brother, a monochrome laser printer can be had for $120, and Brother generally has a good reputation. If you want to print in color, that'll be more expensive of course. Honestly, I haven't had a color printer in 11 years and I don't miss it, but YMMV.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Having been an IT guy for a very long time this is my recommendation to everyone. Buy a cheap laser printer for your home. Ink jet is garbage it will piss you off every time you want to print something, it's a trap. Go with whatever brand you want, but brother is the one I'd recommend most

    In my home I have a brother color laser printer, it may have run over $300, I don't recall. But I don't recall because I think I bought it 15 years ago and it still works just fine every time I need to print. No regrets.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If you're just printing documents and stuff, laser is fine, but they do look quite bad for art prints, which is the main use case these days for inkjet.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Ok, yeah I can believe that. And if you're using it for art printing, you may even be printing often enough that the feed lines don't dry up and clog.

    Personally, I like that with laser prints, if someone gets the paper wet, the toner doesn't immediately run all over the page like with ink.

    But again, less of an issue for art prints, as the results are more likely to be put in a frame than left out on a table where they can get splashed.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Remember to include the price of a new toner cartridge when looking for a cheap laser printer. Some become quite expensive when you include it.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    When I bought a small office laser printer for making stickers it took me four years before I needed to change the cartridges. It only came with those partially full ones too. Unless you're printing dozens of full color sheets a day the cost of cartridges is likely a minimal consoderation

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    You could if you want. But then again, remember that most people will be replacing that toner cartridge only once every 2-5 years. So it's not like a major expense.

    It depends on how much you print of course, like if you're a teacher or something, you might print a lot.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    I've had a monochrome Brother laser printer for about 14 years now. Still using the original toner that came with it, though it's down to about 20% or so. Prints every time I need it which isn't very often, but when I need to print something, I actually need to print it.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I wonder how much of the ink drying up thing is designed in to modern printers to waste ink in head cleaning? I suspect that someone with the consumers' best interest at heart may be able to find a solution to that problem.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Worse than that, the printer I have, a Brother MFC-J895DW, actively eats its own ink on purpose (in the name of keeping it from drying out). Like most people, we print infrequently and I noticed that like every other time we would go to print we would be out of ink. After a bit of searching I found out this was a known thing and it was done on purpose.

    I now turn the printer on to print and off when not printing. I haven't bought ink in over a year. Yeah the print heads need to be conditioned if you go too long between prints, but so what.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That's just what happens when you have stuff dissolved in solvents.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    Dude just get a powder toner laser printer. I've been filling the stock toners in my Lexmark instead of buying ink. Fuck, ink.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    "Doesn't allow people to build it"

    Uuh, that sucks but i guess that perfection is the enemy of good

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Pre AI driven ram/nand increases: < $500 probably. Now, probably >= $1000.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    People still /print/ things to /paper/?

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