
post
i think it's so funny how americans think they live in a democracy while one guy just fires whomever he wants.
Yeah we in the rest of the world call that a "dictatorship" m'dudes.
i think it's so funny how americans think they live in a democracy
Not just any 'ol democracy, but the bestest one ever!!1!!
And validated as just fine by the unelected supreme court.
Good times.
But not just anyone.... The court said he couldn't fire that guy from the fed, cause that's clearly the only important thing that the president needs oversight on /s. Despite the fact that he's destroying the economy other ways. It's all fucking ridiculous
Was there always a lack of repercussions to illegal actions or were administrations playing nice for the most part?
I'm guessing like with other actions some federal judge will ask to reinstate them when it's far too late
There was a supreme court decision during the current administration that basically said the president can't be held accountable. It's completely insane.
There were repurcussions most of the time until Nixon got pardoned. Grant got a speeding ticket on a horse from a beat cop who knew exactly who he was, and Grant paid the ticket. But after Nixon, all bets were off.
Was there always a lack of repercussions to illegal actions or were administrations playing nice for the most part?
Oh my god how much more evidence do you need to acknowledge they're in on it?
I'm not following, are you saying the judges are? This administration? All previous administrations and this one?
It would be incredible and one hell of a historic moment if the Orange Pedophile's reign, which has exposed all our system's flaws, actually resulted in us plugging those holes and updating our political machine to prevent this all from happening again.
But the bottom line is that would require voter action and Americans are dogshit stupid.
Plug the holes of centuries of murder and pillage? Can you fix all the countries you've invaded or couped since WWII? Can you bring back all the dead fisherman or those 200 little girls trump killed this year? Can you bring back all the Iraqis, Afghanis, Vietnamese or Koreans?
Death to America.
Democracy requires public commitment, but people will always choose what benefits them in the shortest expanse at the cost of long term benefits.
When the ancient greeks who layed the groundwork can pinpoint the cycle to a fault, isn't that a sign of a system that is dubious at best in its performance?
To be fair, a democracy is normally a system where the people elect a smaller group of representives to make decisions for them.
I don't think any country has implemented a full direct democracy where the entire population votes on everything.
Called it. As soon as the Supreme Court gave their ruling on hiring/firing within independent agencies, I figured the FEC/EAC would be screwed. Godddamn, I hate this administration.
They're not even going to pretend to count the votes, are they?
Just a reminder billionaires and private equity bought the voting machine companies like Dominion. All of them.
They can count???
They don't count as politicians because they don't count the voters. They are something else.
It's okay, the states do that part. I don't know what exactly a federal election commissioner does, but the states still run their own elections.
Terminating them is still blatantly corrupt and alarming, and no one should be okay with it, but this isn't a deathblow to the democratic process. Still cast your votes in November.
Oh for sure, still 100% going to vote as if my life depends on it.
They control federal money that's used to fund some election-related activities. It's not the biggest deal in practical terms. As I understand it is not a huge amount of money.
I just hope we get a mean president next time. We can't afford another corpo Dem like Biden who plays nice with rethuglicans. Fire all of Trump's appointments day one and test that scotus ruling. Let's see how they like the unitary executive when we use it against them in every way possible.
No more GOP AGs and FBI directors. I can't believe Dems actually respected the fake "tradition" of only having conservative FBI directors. Fuck that shit. I want someone who goes after these fascist FBI agents targeting Trump's political opponents and makes their lives a living hell.
Make those fucks quit or just fire them and replace them with people who actually respect the law.
Yeah, agreed. We need someone who will use the fullness of the corruption precedent the GOP has set against them instead of pretending the precedent isn't already set. No more playing by different rulebooks.
It's a sad thing for the democratic processes, but that's already out the window and it was the GOP who tossed it. Pretending the moral high ground will save us is not enough to pull us out of this death spiral.
The gloves need to come off and we need a hardcore demagafication period. Only then can we reform the system to patch these holes that have been blown in the democratic order.
There's TONS of ELECTION FRAUD so we need to FIRE the ONLY people who's ENTIRE JOBS are to MONITOR these Crimes!
-Republicans LITERALLY!
This is it. His big move. It's all out in the open now and the endgame is midterms. C'mon citizens of all stripes, choose neighbourhood reps to watch and video all the polling booths on election day. You'll need that insurance.
I never thought in my lifetime the United States would need "International Observers".
Yeah that's for countries that don't respect democracy, not.... Oh nevermind.
I'm not sure the last time I saw the phrase international observers offhand (I am sure it's happened but just missed it) but they are definitely needed in that country. They seem to be degrading themselves to third world, in function if not by cold war meaning.
Umm excuse me. Who the hell do you think you are calling us a third world. That label belongs to shit whole countries didn’t you hear our lord and DT say so about another country. How dare you accuse us of being like THEM.
Okay I can only act like that so much before I start to vomit. All jokes aside we are more in line with a 4th world (even if there is no such thing) instead of a 3rd world. I still can believe this motherfucker got elected TWICE.
Unfortunately but least you have a good mindset while things are pearshaped in their current way. It feels like that lately even in Canada (for world situation). Like who the hell lets a leader stay in after starting a war and losing it? Seriously, that's balls. Let alone losing all soft power the country had. You'd almost think he was working for a select few....
I hope things improve one day, but world order is definitely not the same now. Perhaps for the better but things were calmer before is all.
Heh like a bit from Dune, people got too soft, ended up the fremen were enough to let Paul be emperor and change everything by becoming ruler. The philosophy from that story really shows for it anyways. Power doesn't necessarily corrupt, it attracts those who are corruptable to do what they want. Huh, I just typed it differently and understood what the author meant. Neat cause it's way more accurate. Also hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, no one that wants to be president should ever be given the position. Same idea, different stories but works still.
Thanks SCOTUS!
This right here is the final straw. Cancelling the independence of federal agencies will turn this nation into a capitalist MAGA shithole faster than anything else he's done.
I used to believe that we needed to add 4 seats to SCOTUS, but I no longer believe that. Now I believe that we need to add at least 20 seats to SCOTUS, with rolling term limits. The count shouldn't be so close that one bad faith president can negatively manipulate policy for the next century. It should include rolling term limits, so every president gets to appoint a few, but not enough to steer the direction of the court.
We have to strengthen the independence of the three branches of government, and this is how we do it for SCOTUS.
The whole US government needs term limits.
Right now there are two transparently corrupt MAGA dipshits running for Congress in my area who are both claiming they want term limits, and I laugh every time they say it. In 50 years of voting, I have heard so many Right Wingers claim they are going to force Congress to impose term limits, and I yet I have NEVER seen a single one ever pursue that issue once elected. Not a single time. Any time a MAGA claims they want term limits, they are lying, and you can assume that the rest of their campaign promises are lies as well.
Both also say they'll end insider trading, another MAGA lie. In fact, by bringing that up, it only illustrates that it's on their minds, and likely the primary reason they're running. After all, they can see how much money these MAGA politicians are making, and that gravy train can't run forever. They got to jump on while it's still careening down the tracks, and grab as much cash as possible before the inevitable crash.
I think the nation as a whole should be divided up into four regional blocs, each with their own judiciary, executive, legislative, military branches, and a regional president. They submit personnel to the national body, including National Justices. This keeps any single territory, person, or party from dominating the ideology of the national court.
What I am thinking, is something like...
- 3 executive justices, chosen by the executive without presidential input.
- 3 judiciary justices, required to have served a long time as a judge.
- 3 legislative justices, chosen by the elected representatives.
- 3 military justices, chosen by rank and file soldiers by popular election.
- 1 presidential justice. When the president who picked the justice leaves office, so does their pick.
If we have 4 regions, and including the National President's single justice...
- 53 national justices, total.
0000
Also, add in...
-
10 year term limit total, that can't be renewed nor extended. Presidential justices also are subjected to this restriction.
-
An age limit of 60. A justice has to have a sound mind, and reasonably modern understanding of the nation's people and a grasp of technology.
-
Elimination of the shadow docket, and limits on the amount of vacation time that justices can have in a year. We want them to do their job.
This right here is the final straw.
LOL.
I'll believe that when I see the majority of americans stand up and fight back in any meaningful way.
I would be so happy for my cynicism to be proven wrong - to see Trump, his lackeys and his puppeteers stopped.
But I don't expect that to happen.
YOU are the reason that the Democratic party keeps fucking us over. Every time you, and other cynical defeatists, post your edgy take that the Dems won't do anything, you send them the message that you'll accept their failure - AGAIN!
ALL politicians are lazy and greedy at their core, and if you give them permission to do nothing, that is exactly what they'll do, and go back to their favorite hobby, insider trading.
As we head into a Midterm election that is likely to be a bloodbath, it is vitally important that we clearly tell the new Democratic Congress that we expect SERIOUS action this time. No more dithering and slow-walking like last time. EVERY committee will be dedicated to investigating corruption, with a thousand tentacles.
We all want to know that MAGA Criminals WILL be punished this time, and not just Donald Trump, and we'd all appreciate it if you would STOP sending the message that we expect them to fail us, and we'll accept it.
They need to hear that they'd better NOT fail us this time, or they'll end up in the same position as MAGAs. Get on board with THAT message, and be part of the solution. Stop surrendering in advance, and giving the permission to fail.
YOU are the reason that the Democratic party keeps fucking us over
I'm not even an American.
I'm one of those foreigners that the USA keeps fucking over.
I've been watching gbthe USA shoot itself in the foot for decades without seeming to care to fix their problems.
I want the Americans to fix their shit, but I seriously doubt that they have the character to do the hard work is needed.
We all want to know that MAGA Criminals WILL be punished this time, and not just Donald Trump
As I said, I want to believe that it's possible, but from what I've seen so far, Americans won't rise to the challenge.
Prove me wrong. Fix your own fucking country.
They should still show up to work and do their jobs. I highly doubt they answer directly to the executive branch, or that the president even has the power to terminate them.
How were they selected in the first place? Are they elected, appointed, or hired? By whom? These are the questions that matter.
If they report to Congress, then I'm guessing at a minimum that it would take an act of congress to fire them. Not that republicans wouldn't do it if trump asks, but there's a narrow enough majority that a few spoiler votes could block it.
We need to stop letting trump get away with usurping the powers of the other branches of government.
Didn't the supreme court just give him power to fire certain people he couldn't before?
Then someone needs to call the legitimacy of the supreme court into question because at this point they're ruling against the constitution and there need to be impeachments.
And do what? They are completely illegitimate already. We're finding out the hard way that it's far too difficult to oust people at this level of government.
Maybe divert all power to the midterm thrusters so we can get people in office that will actually impeach corrupt officials who betray the constitution in order to advance their personal power?
Yep, that would be the senate, and would probably require a super majority. There's so much that needs to be revamped... expanding the courts, term limits, etc. Which this court keeps showing an absolute needs for!
JFC, you are so behind the times. The fact that you are getting upvotes is scary. Obviously, many people don't know that American life as they know it, was effectively destroyed a week ago.
Remember the other day, when there was all that talk about Birthright Citizenship being BARELY upheld by SCOTUS? A case that was so obvious that it NEVER should have been brought, to say nothing making it all the way to the SCOTUS, where it inexplicably had 4 votes against it?
That vote was a red herring, a distraction. The important case, the one that got 10% of the coverage of Birthright Citizenship, was the one that struck down the independence of nearly EVERY independent agency (over 2 dozen) that regulates EVERYTHING in our country. Now the president can fire anybody, in any agency, for any reason. ALL government regulation is now in the hands of Donald Trump.
That means pharmaceuticals, food, air, water, transportation safety, roads, buildings, mail, workplace safety, etc. literally EVERYTHING in this country that requires regulations to remain safe, are up to Donald Trump. So if the meat industry wants to pay off Donald Trump to loosen safety standards, he'll take the bribe, and let them write their own rules, and we'll be eating horsemeat and dogmeat labelled as beef, and it will be perfectly legal, so don't bother to sue.
BTW, the ONLY agency that SCOTUS protected was the Federal Reserve, which was the one agency Trump really wanted to get his hands on. But the Sociopathic Oligarchs who make these decisions were smart enough to keep the MONEY out of Trump's hands. They WANT him to fuck up everything else, and make our lives miserable, but they aren't going to let him fuck up THEIR money.
No shit things are bad, but that doesn't mean we should just fold.
Feel free to smugly insult me though, that's not going to do anything to stop fascism.
I can respect the self-awareness
Don't take it personally it's better that information get out, it's shocking how nobody is really talking about how bad this is.
Yeah, everyone was treating birthright citizenship as a win, when that's just the law and status quo. The independence of agencies was a clear and painful loss.
Americans really aren’t paying attention. They (Supreme Court) just ruled the pedophile in chief can fire anybody now. Irregardless if it’s supposed to be an independent branch. You are all cooked
And the left continues to cannibalize itself instead of mounting any meaningful resistance to fascism...
Translation?
Wait, are you politically illiterate‽
No, but I'm not sure how literacy would help me understand a sentence that uses a noun as a verb.
Also, what does a superpac have to do with demagoguery? Superpacs are kind of the elite that demagogues tend to rile the masses against, no? How does a demagogue fit with the superpac? (Other than the obvious part where the demagogue lies to the masses while taking money from superpacs)?
Not sure why you're comparing this to political illiteracy since the meme was quite incomprehensible to begin with...
The meme is that the majority of do NOT know what “leftist politics” even are, as you keep demonstrating. The DNC’s AIPAC is nowhere leftist, so Democrat cannibalizing antifascist action is extremely oxymoronic, as they play the same capitalist demagoguery: lobbying lobbying lobbying. Counter rhetorics is all they ever do, since their interests lie in extraction of wealth. The punch is that “left” is the past tense verb of “leave,” and “political” describes people that are, as in “political [people already] left?”
So long as your country fiats capitalism, it will always descent to fascism. The funny part of fascism, is that bigotry & racism is baked in, meaning their fascism is even more stupefying than basic economic fascism.
Oh, I get it now. The adjective was a noun and the preposition was a verb. And I'm supposedly illiterate for not getting that?
Also, when did I say anything about AIPAC being leftist? Sounds like an assumption you're making.
I glad you're learning adjectives can be nouns.
Your illiteracy is political, not lingual.
Lol let me guess, you think people like Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and Clinton are "left"?
I never said that and you're making assumptions. But have fun bickering over the bullshit you made up in your head, I'm sure that's not precisely the kind of thing I was referring to
Oh then do enlighten me. Tell me what you meant when you said:
And the left continues to cannibalize itself
Because I guarantee somewhere in your explanation it will amount to "Those fucking leftists need to learn to respect their centerist elders."
Dude. You're doing it now.
I never said anything about "centrist elders." You're making that shit up so you can feel leftier-than-thou.
Go ahead. Prove me wrong.
Prove you wrong about what? You made baseless assertions. This isn't worth bickering over, because unlike you I'm not intent on cannibalizing the left.
Tell me what you meant when you said:
And the left continues to cannibalize itself
Prove my assertions wrong.
You're just sealioning now, and this is exactly what I mean by cannibalizing. You make a bunch of assumptions about me so that you can attack because you think I'm not as left as you, and you have no basis for that other than your own self-righteousness. This is not an isolated incident either, there are lots of people like you who are more concerned with arguing with other leftists for not passing your purity tests than you are with actually resisting fascism if it means working with leftists who are slightly differently left than you.
for not passing your purity tests
Lol here we go. Which "purity tests" are you referring to?
Unfortunately, appointed by the president so firing them may be legit. Another power grab and the foundation for a fixed election but legit
Assuming Congress was willing to use their authority, the check against this is they must be approved by the senate.
There needs to be a quorum of 4 to do anything, so they already couldn’t legally
There’s no mechanism for temporary or acting commissioners, but that has been a common Drump strategy to circumvent Congress. Just declare an acting one, then when the confirmation period expires, declare a new acting one
Almost nothing in voting is done by executive agencies so the vote stealing impact of this is going to be more indirect.
Maybe destroying this agency is to try to give a parallel fascist agency validity. Or maybe he thinks he can nominate Jared and Ivanka as Democrats. Or maybe he just doesn't want states to get federal election aid so the system is more vulnerable.

top 97 comments