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[–] 283 points 1 year ago (2 children)

attacking a defenseless neighboring people

They’re so close to figuring it out

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  • [–] 141 points 1 year ago* (38 children)

    Someone have context if we haven’t seen the new superman?

    Also I want to scream a million times. Israel isn’t Judaism and Judaism isn’t Israel! Mixing that up is problematic because you’re confounding anti-zionism (a settler colonial state project committing genocide) with anti-semitism.

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  • [–] 142 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Israel isn’t Judaism and Judaism isn’t Israel! Mixing that up is problematic because you’re confounding anti-zionism (a settler colonial state project committing genocide) with anti-semitism.

    Mixing that up is intentional, so that you can be accused of being antisemitic by not supporting Israel. Politicians love to do this.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    At the start of the movie, Superman has just stopped an invasion. The fictional country Barovia, a US ally, has advanced weaponry and attempts to invade and annex a much smaller and poorer fictional country Jarhanpur which doesn't appear to have a military of any kind. Barovia is ethnically white (coded as Eastern European/Russian) and Jarhanpur is ethnically more middle eastern.

    It is not a giant leap to correlate these countries to Isreal and Palestine, but really those superficial details are where the the similarities begin and end. There is no apparent religious connection to the invasion, nor terrorist activity. No ongoing tensions, direct involvement from the US goverment in the invasion, or any act of war or other event that triggers Barovia to invade. It is just a powerful country attacking a smaller country for their resources on the orders of a power hungry dictator. It's a trope that is not exclusively related to current events, that made as much sense 50 years ago as it does today. And the purpose of it in the film is to both critique Superman's naivete of geopolitics, and to reinforce his values that every life matters.

    People that are mad about it and pretending that it is explicitly a depiction of the Isreali-Palestinian war are projecting meaning that isn't there, at least beyond maybe some subtext. It's always a bit telling when people see generic bad guys in a movie and think, "this is about me!" But, of course, if they felt that the depiction of the overwhelming military force against civilians made the Palestinians seem sympathetic to them... maybe they should think a bit more about why that is.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Off topic question but is the country really Barovia? That’s a hilarious nod to Dungeons and dragons if so

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    No I was wrong. It's the almost identically named Boravia. Getting my fantasy settings mixed up. Boravia has been in DC comics since Superman #2 in 1939 though, so not a nod to DnD. Maybe the other way around.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean, what else could it be? Stalwart American ally coded white with advanced weaponry attacking mostly defenceless brown neighbors without cause and with the intention of occupation and annexation. Their weaponry is mostly from America. The cherry on top, they would scede some of the land to an American billionaire.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I said that it wasn't a leap to connect it to Isreal and Palestine. Depending on the details you fixate on though, I'm sure you could connect it to any number of real life historical conflicts. The Isreali Palestine conflict/genocide just has the benefit of being at the forefront of our minds, and I'm sure at least some of the similarities are actually intentional. But it's not so close as to make it unquestionable that they are one and the same.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But I can't think of any other conflict it would match.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The Reconquest of Spain? White Eurpoeans pushing out Middle Easter occupiers, made possible in part by advancements in war technology.

    Some of the Crusades? White Europeans annexing a foreign land of Middle Eastern people, using advanced armor and seige weapons.

    Colonization of North America? White Europeans annexing a foreign land and displacing it's much less technologically advanced darker skinned inhabitants?

    World War II? Advanced German war technology and annexing their peaceful neighbors?

    Russian-Ukraine War? White Russians attempting to annex the lands of their neighboring nation unprovoked for a land grab using what would have been their overwhelming war technology without international help, all while Russia lies and claims to be liberating the people.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I haven't seen it, but I think it's pretty apparent in the trailer. Superman is supermaning, and modern powers, both real and fictional, don't like that.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “Superman has somehow become the focal point of the entire world’s attention and I cannot accept that.”

    Damn, Lex Luther is even more an Elon Musk type in this movie huh?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I can’t actually watch videos especially trailer types with lots of movement due to a disability. So was wondering if anyone had a text based interpretation.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The president of the USA is mad at Superman for stopping a hypermodern army from destroying brown people and stealing their land

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Saw the flick yesterday. Honestly the conflict isn’t meant to represent Israel Palestine. The invading country speaks Russian. There have been so many conflicts throughout history where a nation with substantial military power invades a neighbor that has pitiful defense capabilities. That whole part of the story has more to do with criticism of the military industrial complex than any real world conflict.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The invading country speaks Russian

    Boy do I have news for you about the origins of Zionism.

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    A lot of the prominent members of terrorist paramilitaries that later formed tzahal were from r*ssian empire a lot of theorists as well, specifically from territory of modern Ukraine mostly due to "pale of settlement" policy of the empire. I think that's what gp hinted at (don't know what language they spoke predominantly, mostly yiddish I think).

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Its really simple:

    If you are a Zionist, Israel=Zionism=Judaism.

    If you are not a Zionist, Israel<>Zionism<>Judaism.

    The non Zionists are objectively correct, but Zionists are extremely good at intentionally not understanding this.

    Its really no different than any member of any religion that cannot concieve of a non-objective, non-universal morality system.

    They are brainwashed, propogandized, and cannot divorce the concepts, because they've been so strongly confounded and confabulated together in ways that are actually not logically consistent, but held together with an explicitly irrational faith.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    If you are not a Zionist, Israel<>Zionism<>Judaism.

    Zionist, Israel=/=Zionism=/=Judaism.

    FTFY

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    <> is 'not equal' in SQL syntax

    != is another one for 'not equal' in SQL, and a good deal of other languages, but I went with <> because of the ls and Is, <> is more visually distinct.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    To some extent the SQL syntax also kind of makes sense... It's a combination of both "greater than" and "smaller than" operators, which is kind of a different way of saying something is not equal.

    The "!=" comes from most programming languages using the "!" character for negation. Negating something is usually read and pronounced "not". So it literally reads "not equal" if you are reading the symbols.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    1I don't really know why <> was chosen as the old school 'not equal' for the SQL syntax... I just know it by way of having been working with/in various forms of SQL for... 20+ years?

    If I had to guess, it may have something to do with keeping the character set down to a bare minimum.

    SQL is fucking old, its been improved and modified and evolved over the years, but, it was first invented and formalized back in 1973, when you still had computer (storage) memory as basically giant spools of magnetic tape, personal computers didn't really exist yet, having 8 KiloBytes of RAM would have been considered astoundingly powerful, years ahead of its time.

    Thats uh, 0.0000076294 GigaBytes of RAM, or I think about 512x less than what a basic Nintendo 64 had.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The “!=” comes from most programming languages using the “!” character for negation. Negating something is usually read and pronounced “not”. So it literally reads “not equal” if you are reading the symbols.

    And programming languages get it from math, where "inequality" is represented by the symbol "≠", != is the closest you can get with ASCII.

    Now what's more interesting is that math uses "¬" to represent "not", I bet there's a telegraph keyboard from the 1940s that explains the reasons behind all this.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    His is a common syntax for not equals. Yours is just what people use when they dont know how to make the math symbol ≠

    His is correct, yours isn't. If you want to assert the math symbol is the only correct one, at least actually use it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It's common syntax in compsci, which I don't have an education in. Yeah, I understand that there are specialised characters. I guess I'm just not pedantic enough to search how to create them on my desktop keyboard, or copy them from a web search, when I can approximate them using simple symbols and people understand what they mean. That would be like me pointing out that "≠" is an equivalency notifier which means "Is not equal to" and not "not equals" and that "<>" is actually a comparison symbol in the compendium of mathematical figures and does not actually notate equivalencies. Which could lead to a broader discussion on meaningful differences in mathematical symbols, based on the context within which, glossaries of mathematical notation are viewed. But, any insecure dickhead can google something and insert themselves into an interaction with a sense of superiority without actually engaging in any good faith discussion. So, I probably won't. Have a nice day though!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I have an education in compsci, and I have worked in software engineering and platform engineering for 8 years now... And I only know of one programming language that makes use of "=/=" which is Erlang. Every other language or scientific papers I know of make use different operators.

    Prolog comes close with "==", and Haskell too with "/=", but every other language has either used "!=", "~=" or "<>". The papers I have read that go for a more pseudo-code or mathematical notation has always used "≠".

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  • [–] 224 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh wow. I didn't know he was controversial from the start.

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  • [–] 106 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wow, it's actually amazing how far they can combine self-awareness and denial so effortlessly.

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  • [–] 90 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes it is totally Hollywood making Israel look bad, not the shooting caged brown people part.

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  • [–] 89 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean the glass shoe does fit, soooooo...

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    [–] 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It’s not our fault your state became so evil they are interchangeable with cartoon villains.

    All this whining about that movie makes me want to see it more and more. If this is intentional, it will be remembered as the best marketing campaign in history.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago

    This complaint is such an admission. They can't point to a single similarly between Israel and the bad guys in the movie except, "nation with technology advanced weaponry being deployed against unarmed civilians," and they're not even disputing that that's an accurate depiction of what's happening. It's not like they're saying, "this movie parallels Hamas propaganda." They're saying, "depicting colonial genocide negatively is anti-Israel."

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The "if you're criticizing Israel then you are an antisemitic" argument is getting really really old and fucking tired.

    I have never in my life had any issues with anyone who is Jewish just because they are Jewish. Nor will I ever. But I have serious issues with the state of Israel committing war crimes on a daily basis and expecting not to be held accountable.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My Jewish friends never bought into it either.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I dunno, sounds like a fake story to me

    Islamists are fundamentalists btw, so exactly the kind of religious zealots you seem to despise

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago

    "we're seeing similarities between us and fictional villains and we don't like it"

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago

    If you see yourself in the bad guys actions, maybe do something else...

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago

    Self-awareness is tapping them on the shoulder but they refuse to turn around.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My parents watch PBS Newshour and are very anti-Israel because of what they're doing to Palestine. One night, PBS ran a piece about how Israel's PR was labeling any criticism of Israel's action as "anti-semitism" and my folks were naturally incensed by this. The very next night, PBS ran a piece about the statistically increasing occurrence of anti-semitism in the world - without any discussion of just the possibility that much of that increase is due to criticisms of Israel being labeled as anti-semitism. My parents, of course, were then incensed about all the anti-semitism.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Israel has spent like 4+ decades trying desperately to associate criticism of israel with antisemitism. And the world has complied, Hell its now a crime punishable by decades in prison just to support Palestine in the UK. Gotta wonder how Churchill hasnt lept out of his grave and started cockslapping motherfuckers.

    Netanyahu also used to have a penchant for comparing people who refused to gargle his fucking balls to Hitler, in a blatant attempt to shame people into Israeli compliance. Hasnt done it so much anymore, Probably because descriptions of Hitler and his actions would rub too uncomfortably close to what Netanyahu and Israel are doing now a days.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    times are shitty indeed.

    I wonder how actual nazis see this kind of shit: do they feel validated and think "haha they were always criminals" or are they pissed because (so far at least) israel can bomb kids and camps and hospitals and schools and food lines over and over and over again, angry that nazis faced consequences for their crimes, eventually?

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    They're mad that they're identifying with the genocidal, colonizing villains of the story?

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "well, if the shoe fits"

    well, if the shoe fits

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago

    "If the shoe fits"... So maybe sit with your thoughts a bit longer to a logical conclusion instead of jumping to social media to dump your little thought vomit.

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    They aren't asking that question. They know they are.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They just want everyone to be quiet about it and please, refrain from calling them out.

    Imagine picturing a conflict, the kind of classic conflict the world has seen a lot in the past. The conflict in the movie could be a reference to a lot of things that happened for real.

    There was not one mention or reference to Israel. We've seen this trope in movies a thousand times.

    It's really telling on them, if they put the foot themselves on the table, for everyone to see and also make the shoe fit. For everyone to see.

    What's missing in real life, is the good ones arriving and preventing the genocide.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    Well, if the shoe fits.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    "they're showing a country of mostly white people invading and brutalizing a defenseless country of brown people which is clearly about Israel-palestine"

    c/selfawarewolves

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I can all but guarantee that's an American writing that comment anyway.

    They look pretty much the same in terms of skin tone. It's not whites vs browns. They all just look Mediterranean, which isn't that surprising because that's where they are. Palestinians are a lot lighter than people seem to think.

    Unless we're going with the US definition of race, in which anybody coming from a poor country is non-white. I mean, they used to think the Italians and Irish weren't white.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They look pretty much the same in terms of skin tone. It’s not whites vs browns. They all just look Mediterranean

    Who? Israel's dominant sociopolitical group are Ashkenazi. They're white. Pretending it's Mediterraneans vs Mediterraneans is playing into the Israeli lie that Jewish people are the true native people in Canaan and everyone else is an outside invader. When in reality some Jews are native to the area, just as the Palestinians are. But certainly not the 20th century neocolonial supremacist state of Israel.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    ... most Israeli Jews are Sephardim, Mizrahi, or mixed. For that matter, Ashkenazi Jews tend to vote for less genocide-happy parties in the Knesset. And on top of that, a significant portion of people in the Levant do not have a particularly different phenotype from Mediterranean Europeans.

    This is like when a bunch of people got up in arms over how 'white' the king of Jordan was. Like, fuck's sake, what the fuck is this neo-orientalism?

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