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[–] 54 points 4 months ago (30 children)

I do miss feeling optimistic about the future

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  • [+] -16 points 4 months ago* (28 children)

    You're just in the wrong country, aligned with the wrong set of politics, speaking the wrong language.

    The future isn't American anymore. The future is Mexican and Brazilian. The future is African. The future is Chinese.

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago (27 children)

    Climate change doesn't stop at the border, lol.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (26 children)

    The ability to endure it and survive - even thrive - in the face of it will vary heavily based on national leadership.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Tell that to the vast swathes of the globe, including China, due to face lethal wet bulb temperatures within the next 10-20 years. Which, along with mass death, means massive breadbasket failures on multiple fronts. Ain't politicking our way out of this one, chief.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, and someone was just arguing with me in a different thread saying vertical warehouse farming is stupid and we should just grow our crops in the ground outside 🙄

    Like, I'm trying to be helpful here, but sure let's continue to make no systemic changes to the way things are done and just be frustrated when our problems only continue to get worse...

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    lethal wet bulb temperatures

    Europe wants to rebalance trade with Beijing, but can’t quit Chinese air conditioners

    One country is producing all of the world's air conditioners. I wonder if they're in a better position to endure wet-bulb temperatures than their peers.

    Ain’t politicking our way out of this one, chief.

    They absolutely can and will. This is a country that can build the infrastructure to keep people from dying of overheating. What's more, this is the country that can export that infrastructure globally, such that its allies will see improved survivability. And that will have cascading knock-on effects.

    The ability to survive climate change is the ability to operate as a global center of gravity.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago*

    I think you missed the 'massive breadbasket failures' part of my comment. You can't air condition a field of rice. Well, you could, but good luck trying that on the scale needed to feed everyone once crops begin to fail globally.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    You do realize how many people in the world live in houses that aren't even fully-enclosed, right? Usually in some of the places that will be most impacted by climate change, too. Air conditioners won't be of much help to them.

    Also, do you know how much coal China burns each year?

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    many people in the world live in houses that aren’t even fully-enclosed, right?

    It's crazy that you treat this as an insurmountable obstacle. Much less that there's no political cache in surmounting it.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Okay so just send in the Chinese with their concrete and bulldoze these people's homes to build them nice new climate-controlled living spaces while also indebting them in higher amounts than they're likely to make in their lifetimes.

    Cause that's different from colonialism how?

    "Don't worry, primitives, we're here to surmount your obstacles for you. Because it's totally our place to decide that."

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    bulldoze these people’s homes

    You appear to be suffering from an Israel moment

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    No, I'm just calling out the implications of your assertions.

    You say,

    It's crazy that you treat this as an insurmountable obstacle. Much less that there's no political cache in surmounting it.

    How do you expect to surmount the obstacle? Just give them A/C units in their open-air homes? Or replace their homes with something enclosed and insulated? If it's the latter, how do you expect to do that without demolishing the existing structures?

    Or do you mean to force them off their lands and put them somewhere else where you built new houses?

    You seem to be doing a lot of work to try to justify your initial insinuation that global warming somehow won't affect the global south.

    You scoff at wet bulb temperatures as if you have some easy obvious solution. Well, this is what your "solution" looks like in practice.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Or do you mean to force them off their lands

    When you call in the A/C repair man, does the technician steal your property as part of the installation/repair?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Wow, you're so skilled at missing the point entirely. Either you didn't read any of my previous comments or you have selective amnesia.

    When you call the A/C repair man, he doesn't have to rebuild your entire house just to make it compatible with A/C.

    Not to mention, you're the one calling him in; not some imperialistic nation-state actor guilty of cultural erasure of virtually every ethnic minority group within their own borders.

    You have yet to answer how A/C is going to protect people in open-air houses from the effects of climate change. This magical "China will save them" is a silly utopian fantasy divorced from reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Are we talking about the same country here? Where in "southern" provinces like Sichuan there is no heating provided in buildings? And people rely on electric heaters and blankets to stay warm?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Kind of, I guess. Depends on if there any animals larger than a cat left after the temperature change stops and levels off.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    High temperatures don't preclude large lifeforms. Just ask the dinosaurs.

    But you need the ability to adapt at speed and scale for the entire ecological colony. You can't rely on biomes that cater exclusively to a handful of apex predators.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The rate of change is faster than any in the planet's history, I don't have high hopes for many species surviving.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The planet has been undergoing the 6th global extinction event in its history for over 30,000 years. During this time period, humanity has flourished even as millions of other species have died out.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, until we used fossil fuels to accelerate our growth to absurd numbers, killed most other large wild mammal species, and started pumping ancient buried carbon into the atmosphere at a rate exceeding any other co2 related extinction event in the planet's history.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Fertilizer has been at the heart of an enormous uptick in arable land and crop volume. That's the direct result of fossil fuel infrastructure.

    We are farther away from extinction than we've ever been.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Actually artificial fertilizer comes from the Haaber Bosch process, which uses fossil fuels to turn air into nitrogen.

    Every species in overshoot seems to be as far from extinction as it ever was directly before the population crash, lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    I mean the ability to survive it will be based on where you are located. And for the billions that are unable to survive it, they will either start wars with those who can, or will die in the process, or both.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Or peacefully migrate to areas that are sustainable and contribute to the project of rebuilding.

    But, again, the capacity to build and supply life sustaining amenities and the political willingness to distribute them in order to curry political favor rather than just generate profit will be central to a country's power projection into the late 21st century.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    So where is that going to be? If the rest of the world doesn't run that way (which isn't possible), what do you think happens then? When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced. You aren't simply going to put them somewhere else. Europe currently is struggling with climate and war migrants, the US is the same.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    the rest of the world doesn’t run that way (which isn’t possible)

    It is possible. And the bitter irony is that it would be better for everyone on average. Just not better for a few specific people on the whole.

    When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced.

    Where will they run to? Not the US Gulf Coast or the Dutch flatlands. Not to the low lying Caribbean Islands or the coastline of Japan or Australia.

    The most Climate Change friendly regions are going to be high altitude but still retain access to lots of potable water. Curiously enough, that looks like... Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, and the Horn of Africa.

    All those Western yahoos screaming about illegal immigrants are on track to become ones. And right back to the countries they spent generations pissing off.

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  • [–] 108 points 4 months ago (29 children)

    Terminator (1984), Terminator 2 (1991), and The Matrix (1999) have entered the chat...

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    Soylent Green. Alphaville. Logan's Run. A Clockwork Orange.

    Planet of the Apes.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I hate every chimp I see, from chimpan-a to shimpan-z

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Oh man. Soylent Green is pretty fucking close to what we're living right now.

    • Climate change
    • Housing being out of reach for working people who are now living in staircases and in the streets
    • Women losing their rights and becoming "furniture"
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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I mean most of all human civilization has had those very things though. The climate change part is a bit more recent, but housing has and always will be problematic, and women along with anyone that looks 'different' are typically the first people subjugated in human civilizations. When you think about it at a high level, humans kind of suck overall.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    at least two years ago they were trying to grow meat (for consumption) and body parts (for implantation, so i guess consumption too) in vats. ain't heard much about that, but there has been bigger stuff to worry about.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Terminator: "War is inevitable."

    Terminator 2: "Actually, maybe not."

    Terminator 3: "Oh yeah, never mind, there it is."

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Terminator: Arnie is the bad guy

    Terminator 2: no wait, the first one made him a huge star so he's the hero now!

    Terminator 3: Quick, let's squeeze one last one out before he becomes The Governator in a few months!

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    True Names (1981), Software (1982), Neuromancer (1984), Hardwired (1986), Wetware (1988)

    Cyberpunk is lowlife and high tech. It's completely dystopian. The early 1980s was the height of the Cold War with Reagan in power. People were not optimistic about the future in the 1980s, they were just hoping that it wouldn't end in a nuclear war.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Lest we forget Blade Runner (1982)

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Elder millennial here. I knew I was in an earth destroying dystopia the entire time.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    lol ignoring the entire Cold War

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    I mean the rich are building bunkers so the bottom Fallout 1 death screen is appropriate if you know the lore of the vaults/bunkers.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm reminded of the futurama time lapse when Fry is first frozen. Destroy, rebuild, destroy, rebuild, and so on...

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Educated people saw the 2020 vision as far back as 1950s. They warned us many times, but we never listened.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    "we"

    You mean the rich and powerful who could've solved the systemic environmental issues didn't, who got it told directly all the time. Who could've done something against Exxon and the others. Don't lump the masses together with such assholes.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    I mean 'we' as everyone collectively, as society. It's just manner of speaking. I wasn't even alive for most of the time frame mentioned, so I'm perfectly aware not everyone was actually able to 'listen' to the warnings.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I mean... people have been calling the apocalypse since ancient times. Because that's reality. Every civilization falls, every society fails, and it's often via war and violence. We simply have been able to become more connected and harm each other on larger scales over time.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    And when exactly did humanity ever had the power to destroy the planet prior to the industrial revolution?

    You're just repeating one of the usual shit arguments climate deniers are spouting daily.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    This is exactly what those who are broadly portrayed as visionaries want.

    Unfortunately, it never seems to have dawned on the general public that those who market themselves this way were never the visionaries.

    Take Dennis Ritchie, for example, one of the original creators of C, who died just days before Steve Jobs: The media went out of their way to emphasize what a loss humanity had suffered, while failing to acknowledge that someone had died to whom humanity owes a great deal. They celebrated only the greedy capitalist who knew how to market a technology, but not at all the rather humble man who made a tremendous contribution without enriching himself at the expense of the common good.

    That was a long time ago, but today’s world is still exactly the same - it even got way worse from there: no recognition for those who actually achieve great things, but only for those who step into the spotlight and thus appear to be the ones to whom humanity owes something.

    In my view, this encapsulates everything one needs to know about our time—the absurdity of charlatans desperately wanting to be billionaires or even trillionaires.

    This attitude has nothing to do with the real world, and it is a hubris that no halfway decent person would ever presume to have—yet humanity is ruled by exactly these megalomaniacal monsters because it collectively allows it.

    So we are ruled by the worst that humanity has to offer—by unscrupulous opportunists who live only for themselves, have no sense of community, and have set up a system of undeserved triumph in such a way that only their own despicable kind can follow them.

    It is a system that is directed against humanity itself.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'd love a site full of sources of the real inventors of shit I can shove into the faces of people who think fucking musk is actual iron man 🙄🙄🙄🙄 the disinformation is so strong.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    I'm afraid that's just as hard—if not impossible—as figuring out which artists created all those iconic Disney characters. That's just how soulless corporations are.

    I could never handle building a site like that myself because just doing the research would be so absolutely depressing.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    We need to bring back reverse dominance hierarchy. Even in systems more "fair" like democracy, many of the most popular politicians are just shitty people very good at manipulation. Just picking people at random to serve would probably produce better results.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    (1953) The War of the Worlds

    (1966) Fahrenheit 451

    (1973) Soylent Green

    (1984) 1984

    (1999) Matrix

    (2004) Children of Men

    (2012) The Hunger Games

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    (1984) 1984

    Thanks for the list, ChatGPT.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    If you believe me or not, I looked it up by myself on wikipedia, and movies i remember well:) to be fair, probably this is what chat gpt would do as well

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago*

    I think I'd cum if I stepped into that 2000's future. Place looks hella cool. 1950's future just looks like car dependent AI slop and 1980's future looks really bright and light polluting

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Well, if we had risen up against the rich, instead of letting them rule the world at least the last image would have been avoided.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Counterexamples:

    How people in the 50s saw the future: GlobalCommunistDystopia.jpg

    How people in the 80s saw the future: PostNuclearHolocaust.jpg

    How people in the 2000s saw the future: WarAgainstTerror.jpg

    How people in the 2020s see the future: !solarpunk@slrpnk.net

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If the rich end up in doomsday bunkers while the rest of us have to deal with the shit world they ruined for the rest of us, we better make it our mission to... plug any holes we find, if you know what I mean. Not suggesting violence that could get me banned or whatever, just make sure that the outside air don't get in. Public service.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Not suggesting violence that could get me banned or whatever, just make sure that the outside air don't get in.

    this is Lemmy, nobody cares.

    when the Apocalypse happens, and all the rich Nazis go down into their bunkers I'm going to become Lee Marvin, Charles Bronson, Jim Brown from The Dirty Dozen. I'll pour gasoline down the air vents and then start chucking grenades down them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdWdqZwC_bc

    killing Nazis is hard work, but it's honest work.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Oh hey! It’s me! I’m people in the 2020s!!

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