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[–] 99 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I don't want to laugh about this. I am seriously freaking out at the idea of using the built-in apps instead of the open source equivalents. Calculator with Internet access? Camera app with ads before I click? Browser that spies on me no matter what searches I perform? No thank you.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    The issue is that the masses will use the out of the box functionality and not think much of it. Most normal users don't mind that they can only pull from official app stores, and like the idea that this system is more secure. If everyone who didn't like this change stopped using the platform entirely, they would still have enough customers to maintain profitability.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)
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    I understand what you're saying, but is it not comparatively harder to pass malicious programs into a walled garden (Play store restrictions) compared to being able to be downloaded without any checks?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    Yes and no, your average end user trust the Play Store and the promised security which is why an app once it's inside can get millions of downloads.

    Compare this to trying to get your average user to
    a) trust your selfhosted app and
    b) succeed in installing it.

    Also, I can't find a single malware that has used f-droid as it's primary vector.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I understand what you're saying, but the barrier to entry for non technical people to jump into an alt app store is too high. Most are complacent.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    too high

    Literally me and my pal the other day

    Pal: "hey sup, what app do ya use for music? Ya never have ads"

    Me: "Metrolist"

    Pal: "can't find dat on the playstore"

    Me: "you gotta install it from Droid-ify, just search it, click the first result, then download and scroll until you see app-relase apk and click on that"

    Pal: "oh okay, now?"

    Me: "just click the search bar and type Metrolist duh"

    Literally the simplest shit ever, i agree that it isn't intuitive for everyone and that's an issue that should be addressed, Google should be forced to allow F-Droid and other appstores on the play store

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (16 children)

    Can't stay on Android because Google is anti-privacy. Can't get a GrapheneOS phone because they're only compatible with non-repairable devices. Can't get a FairPhone or Jolla because I live in America. Can't get an HMD because the bootloader is locked.

    Even e/os and LineageOS have security problems.

    There is no good phone on the market, to my knowledge. You can't have privacy, repairability, and security all at the same time.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Can’t get a GrapheneOS phone because they’re only compatible with non-repairable devices

    Replaced the battery in my Pixel 7 in like 30 min with an iFixit kit, nowhere near as imposing as I'd thought. They have screens too, the rest is mainboard, but that's nearly all phones.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The Pixel 7 requires a heat gun to get to the battery because it's glued down, and step 31 in the process goes over what to do if your battery is stuck even after applying heat. It's impressive that you were able to replace the battery without many problems, but companies shouldn't be adding unnecessary complications like gluing down the battery in the first place.

    https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Google+Pixel+7+Battery+Replacement/154680

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Sure, glue sucks, but I didn't need a heat gun (or hair dryer), just the microwave heated tube thingy and the slicer tab. Admittedly the old battery was a bit spicy pillow which may have helped, dunno. If it's too imposing, just get a pro to do it.

    Afterwards I got a 'chargie' which connects between the wall charger and the phone and lets you choose how much to charge it to, e.g. 80%. More importantly it lets you cut off charging when the device is over a certain temperature, e.g. 33C. Pretty sure the old battery cooked itself during summer, it was happily charging at 50+C, which is definitely not good. 2 years later and it still reports 99% health (although it mostly stays in it's wireless charging dock, so YMMV). Like that you may not need to replace the battery more than once during the 7 years of security updates the more modern Pixels have.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'm looking forward to the Motorola and Graphene partnership. I may finally upgrade the S10 in still using.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Why cant you repair the google phones? Most of the common repairs are not that hard to do. I recently did a battery swap on a "non repairable phone" cost $30 and was pretty easy. Going to replace the usb c port next.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Well yes. But gotta say, my last three phones lasted me 13 years and counting without requiring any repair. Unless you drop your phone regularly or sometging like that, I am not sure how important repairability really is.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Personally, every modern phone I've owned post-Blackberry has battery problems within the first year. I'd like to be able to swap out the battery when that instead of getting a new phone or dealing with bad battery life.

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    [–] 85 points 4 months ago (21 children)
    1. Introduce cutting edge tech to the masses, claiming it will usher in a new era of connection, convenience and utility.

    2. Firmly entrench that tech into every corner of modern society so that most day-to-day activities SUPPOSEDLY cannot be done without it.

    3. Slowly tighten the screws by removing user agency and freedom while raising prices.

    4. Become obscenely wealthy from an entire generation of locked-in consumers who think they have no choice but to submit to your control over their lives.

    5. Wash, rinse and repeat.

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    And yet none of my friends and family can see this blatantly right in front of them. Have people gotten stupider ? Its as obvious as the sun being hot.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's that whole frog analogy, where you can slowly boil a frog alive by gradually increasing the temperature by small increments.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    I'm pretty sure that's a myth, but the analogy is still useful to get the concept across. It simultaneously amuses me and disappoints me that so many humans can be aware of this effect and still not recognise it happening to them, whilst the frogs aren't actually that stupid and jump out of the water.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Hopefully not coming off as too much of an ass, but normies largely won't care, as it doesn't immediately affect them. Knowing it's a bad thing requires a bit of understanding about an operating system that most people just don't know or care to learn about.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know if they're stupid or have just given up or what. I always feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I talk to people about technology. Usually they can't even acknowledge there's a problem while I'm so pissed off about it that I'm not sure I could restrain myself from doing physical harm if I found myself in the presence of some of the people responsible for this shit. It's incredibly frustrating.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago*

    I am 10000% in the same boat. I can't even talk to them about tech because like you, I'll go insane trying to make them understand these issues and they just laugh it off, or I'm a crazy tinfoil hat person. Even though its documented 100% proven what big tech does.

    A lot of them have given up as well. I mean, say you have a kid, then you forgo thinking about anything else in the world except that, who cares if zucc and thiel are destroying the world and surveiling you constantly to bring in a new era of authoritarianism that will result in mass suffering? Your kid needs food. Parents by and large do not care what is actually going on, theyre too busy (from what ive seen.) And I can't really blame them.

    So I prefer to have intelligent conversation online, and when around IRL folks I just act as dumb as them.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Yes. Yes they have. All it takes is one charismatic idiot to make your otherwise thoughtful and mindful friends to debase themselves. It sucks, but welcome to the world.

    Edit: Debate to debate. Fucking autocorrect.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I think most don't care about privacy, cause why would tech giant be interested in them. Especially when using more secure/private alternatives usually means you lose out in convenience, price and "quality" (how fleshed out the app is).

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    They're just pzombies. Herd animals.bundles of reaction and reflex without consciousness.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    We all start out that way. Not everyone is fortunate enough to grow in an environment that grants them access to education and insights into how tech works.

    If you start thinking of others as lesser just because they’re less/uneducated about something then know that someone could be thinking the same of you.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    As someone who has been offering those insights for longer than many people have been alive: they call you a nerd hate you for trying to make their lives harder and tell you to fuck off, because mastodon takes five seconds and one decision more to register for than Twitter.

    Then ten/fifteen/twenty years later when they panic because you were right about everything, they blame you for Facebook being evil because you knew about it. Despite being the one person they know without a Facebook account.

    You're making up someone to be mad at, who yells at people for using a GUI and shouts "nooooob!" Without irony. That person sounds unpleasant, and I would like an apology for the assumption that I'm them.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Just gotta put this into context:

    They're just pzombies. Herd animals.bundles of reaction and reflex without consciousness.

    Sounds like condescending narcissist POC speak to me. No apologies.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    This is the behaviour that brings you to pay multi billion fines in Europe

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, but sadly this will take a few years.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    I'm surprised Google took 20 years to completely enshittify Android.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    A yellow-coded curfew is in effect. This is for your security.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    So I'll keep using F-Droid then?

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    it's a nice incentive to double down on my degoogle efforts

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    You also get AI features you never wanted. Now shut up and be happy

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  • [–] 48 points 4 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Honestly, iPhone is already there in shittyland. You need to jailbreak to do it, which you can host install GraphineOS or root your android easier for the same effect.

    We need a 3rd primer mobile OS option, but won't get one since the money always enshittifies these things.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    The most annoying part is the number of good mobile OSs we have already lost over the years to these two; Symbian, BB10, Windows Phone, and WebOS come to mind just off the top of my head. Not to mention the projects that have struggled for traction like Mozilla OS and Ubuntu Touch.

    Edit: I misremembered, it was called Firefox OS, not Mozilla OS.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    No, stop using vanilla corpo software. They will fuck you again. Just put an aftermarket ROM on your android phone. I run LineageOS on an old OnePlus model. You can build it yourself if you're techy and paranoid, otherwise the tutorials to flash an official prebuilt image are not that hard for a tech-literate person, almost every supported device has a guide page on their wiki.

    F-Droid for foss app repo
    Aurora Store for anonymous Google Play login and installs

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Tell me a phone with all the e features i want, and support for stuff like lineage and graphene And I’ll happily switch But i havent found any

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know what features you want, but GrapheneOS only runs on Pixels due to that team's specific concerns over hardware-based security, and LineageOS officially supports hundreds of phones.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I do run lineage on my old phone But i cant get “all” of the features i want after LG stopped its phone business

    Heres the shortest summary: DP out, esim, some level of dac, under 190g, not released by motorola before 2023, not a 1000$

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    F-Droid for foss app repo
    Aurora Store for anonymous Google Play login and installs

    The whole point of this change is that you won't be able to use these anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    I thought they allowed app installs outside of the app store now? I haven't had an iOS device for about 10 years but the few things I hear it feels like iOS is moving more towards openness while Android is quickly moving towards a closed environment and what iOS used to be in that meaning. I also think Google has been real bad with tracking and shit than Apple has ever been. Obviously both Google (or Alphabet or whatever) and Apple are absolutely not good in any way about any of this, just saying to make it clear I'm not siding with either.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    So I already have apps downloaded from f-droid including encrypted folder. What happens to this from September. Do i get to keep them?

    If i do get to keep them are there any apps I should download while I still can?

    Also if f droid is going to stop working but I already have it what does that mean? Are google going to outright takeover my phone like some IT department in a big company and delete and install everything they want on there?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Once this rolls out, the apps stop working. Google have said there'll be a process you can go through to allow other apps on your phone, but it doesn't seem to be available yet. Presumably you'll need to go through this if you want to use f-droid after the change too.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    Man this is all horseshit of the highest degree.

    Fuck the internet changed so much from when i was a kid. I was some fucking catholic school boy on the internet anonymously having debates and learning things I couldn't have access to at home or in school. I seen the wonders of the internet and the huge potential enlightenment and community it could bring now we have this shit.

    We all going to get arrested in 2030 for having Linux and a VPN aren't we?

    Wish EU kept Nokia going, and invested in Linux too I guess. I'd rather get shafted by the Fins than the Americans

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What in the Apple products are you trying to do Google? Guess we will just dump you like we did Windows when they put 11 out and the Linux draw became too great.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They are following what Apple is doing because its whats legal. Apple made their system closed and Google made theirs open. Both got sued multiple times in court and Apple kept winning because they were closed and Google kept losing because they were open. It doesnt take much to see what to do next. They will just copy the Apple model in Europe because its the the one most approved by world courts and governments.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    There's a thing called precedent.
    Also, Apple has been.contested in Europe precisely because it's closed. They've been forced to open up their app store more... which makes Google's stance all the more strange.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    I paid off my old phone early and got a grapheneOS phone ASAP just because of these motherfuckers.

    Hell, I was firmly in the Android camp specifically because of the open source nature of their software. I never made the apps I wanted to make, but I like having the option to do so.

    So you can go fuck yourself, google. Yes my phone is a Googlepixel 10 because they work best with grapheneOS. In a few years if I can I will get a Linux phone.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I'm really hoping we get a hard fork of AOSP that gets really popular.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Would a hard fork not splinter the software support, killing the ecosystem? E.g. some devs only support that hard fork, others only the android compatible version.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I would be fine with that split. That would be an almost ideal situation even, and a thin compatibility layer like proton or even just an invisible container system similar to docker or flatpak could handle getting more of android onto the fork when it all stops being completely compatible. More effort but hopefully only needed short term.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Hardware compatibility is the major problem with alternative android. Basically I have to buy a 10 year old used phone as is. Would this only make this worse?

    Anyway, maybe AI code generation could actually help with things like hardware compatibility. Things like an AI agent could iterate on reading about a smartphone model and testing various configurations and patch drivers to make it compatible for many more devices. Not sure if AI is suitable for that, but you should be able to define stringent test cases for this.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They do make a small profit off those phones, while you could've simply hit them where it counts with ad-blocking and tracker protection.

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