Fans of Taylor Swift have been shocked after it emerged that a contractor for the controversial Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) was in attendance at her wedding.

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It appears that Steven J. Demetriou, the Executive Chair of a company called Amentum Services was also among the crowd gathered to see the happy couple say ‘I do.’

Amentum Services is currently the sole contractor for ICE’s Camp East Montana, a detention centre in El Paso.

The artist has faced swift backlash for her choice of guests, including online commenters who have shared their dismay on social media.

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[–] 270 points 4 months ago (54 children)

Taylor Swift is a billionaire. Those who had the illusion that a billionaire can be anything other than a disgusting member of the unelected ruling elite just got a reality check.

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  • [–] 72 points 4 months ago (47 children)

    Isn't she from a wealthy family too?

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/15zzftc/how_did_taylor_swift_parents_help_her_reach_the/

    TLDR her dad works in finance, moved the family to Nashville, and supported her career at every step. So she very much got carried by her parents even if they didn't buy her fame.

    Given the Music Industry's history of insidership and hand selecting artists for the highest level of promotion; I think the lack of "smoking guns" such as her parents mass buying her albums or paying off producers etc just shows how inorganic and corporatized popular music is.

    The fact that she's alt-country is the smoking gun. WWE is less fake than Country Music.

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  • [–] 89 points 4 months ago (38 children)

    yes, thus the reason she's famous. she bought her way to fame to provide the masses with her mediocre music. and if anyone tells you it ISN'T medicore, they're lying to you and themselves.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Although I am sure that I have heard them in passing, I have never knowing listened to a Taylor Swift song.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Almost all of my exposure to recent pop music is either from late-night grocery shopping or from the swim club a block from my house that has a DJ three or four nights a week during the summer. Unfortunately that's enough for all of it. I can even sing along to fucking Imagine Dragons.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (30 children)

    I don't listen to a lot of her music, but the stuff I have heard was good enough. People really have a difficult time separating their opinions of a person from their opinions of that person's work.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    People know that listening to music supports the creator, and they don't like supporting shitty people. There's tons of people making really good music, so you can satisfy both the desire to enjoy good music and support good people.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t listen to a lot of her music, but the stuff I have heard was good enough.

    Yeah, that's about where I am with it as well. After the umpteenth time someone was like, "No! It's genius! You haven't given it a chance!" I listened to a handful of what they said were her top picks. And yeah, it's not bad. In fact there's a lot to like about it: incredibly good production, use of all the things that make a song interesting (varied tempo and use of speeds, chord changes, dynamic volume, etc) but beyond that I found it kind of meh, maybe even just a tiny bit formulaic, and they started to blend on me.

    And they all sound like Taylor Swift, which is objectively NOT a bad thing for an artist to create, but compare and contrast artists and bands that evolve so much they constantly have songs and albums that don't sound like themselves, not just over time but from one album to the next. This is my own preference and taste, and I think I got it from listening to a lot of jazz and/or jazz-inspired music created by musicians that take every limit and push it just a hair farther or in a different direction than expected.

    No shade to Taylor fans at all, and I mean no disrespect. It's NOT bad music. I'm even a tiny bit jealous they have the fan community that they do because it sounds like a lot of fun. But the music just doesn't appeal much to me.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Her look, stage show, music is all the efforts of many people in a large, profitable corporation.

    Every notice how female singers need to look like fashion models??

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, Adele tore up the scene during the 2000s-2010s and she wasn’t no fashion model. I’m sorry, but this isn’t a good argument. I could name many, many female artists who don’t fit that mold.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Thats just because you haven't heard the 100 better musicians who's daddy couldn't buy them into the business.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I don't think the existence of better musicians means other musicians are objectively bad, though. There may be hundreds of people who can write better comments than me, but that doesn't mean my comments are bad.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think if you heard all the objectively better stuff given the treatment it deserves, you wouldn't have any interest in the stuff that's being crammed down your throat. Not that it would be worse than it is today, it just wouldn't get the money and attention and production it gets due to far better things being available on the market.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I already have no interest in Taylor Swift, though. I just have heard some of her music and I don't think people have bad taste in music if they like it. I'm already an older man, and there's only so much I can permit myself to become a stereotype.

    Anyways, I mostly listen to Japanese music, to try to help me learn/maintain Japanese, and Japanese music I think is even more corporate than American music. If I had it in my heart to dislike corporate music, I wouldn't have any room to dislike things like 6-7, which is far more important.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I don't begrudge anyone their love of Taylor Swift either. I just think that it's mostly because that's what was fed to them rather than because of any genius she may have.

    I, also an older man, don't spend much time disliking pop culture, whether it be Talylor Swift or 6-7, neither of which matter much to me despite having a 9 year old that said it pretty constantly last year. I save most of my hate for the fascists ruining our world.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    People whose only exposure to her music is the radio hits and people who were never a teenage girl are the ones complaining about her music. If you don't get it, that's fine. Its not for you. It's not for me.

    Lady Gaga has done the same thing yet gets a fraction of the hate. Radio bangers fund the real artist.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago*

    People whose only exposure to American for-profit concentration camps from FOX news and people who never had to a gun pointed at them because of the color of their skin are the ones defending inviting a modern day slaver to a wedding.

    If you don't get it, that's on you.

    She could be the best artist in the world but if she hangs out some of the worst human being in the world it shouldn't matter.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    For real. The sanctimonious bullshit of Lemmy is probably the worst part. Who cares if people like her music?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I think if you avoid the "meme" sort of communities, you'll see less of that sort of effect. I've recently left most of the meme communities I was a member of, aside from very themed ones like star trek ones, and it feels more like people react much better to reason now. I was happy to see that my comment wasn't downvoted here.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Honestly, the majority of famous musicians aren't that good of people. Shit, even Mozart and Beethoven were dicks.

    Some separation of the music and the artists is needed.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Beethoven might have been unpleasant, but he wasn't a bad person. On the contrary, he was a hell of a leftist, he hated the billionaires of his time and supported liberty and civil rights, which back then put you at the extreme left of the political scenario. I know you just pulled two names for the sake of your argument, just please keep my boy Beethoven out of your Taylor Swift apology.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    To add to this: Mozart was a dick and was probably poisoned because he pissed off the wrong person. Dead at 35.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    People also love to hate famous people just because they're famous. Which is stupid and a waste of energy.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    or hate her because she invited a Fascist to her wedding? Some celebs did not RSVP.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    For a celeb, or anyone, to not attend a wedding for whatever reason is perfectly fine.

    But not to RSVP is rude and selfish.

    You would do better to RSVP with "I would rather be eaten by fire ants than attend your shitty wedding, and I hope your bride chokes on the cake and vomits all over you."

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Hating anybody is stupid and a waste because hating them doesn't really affect them. It only hurts you. That doesn't stop me from hating certain famous people, though. What can I say? I guess I'm stupid.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I agree she got where she is in no small part due to her family’s wealth. But her staying power is because—to many myself included—she’s a decent songwriter. You can hate her music, perfectly valid, but I disagree with calling her music “mediocre” as though it’s some objective fact.

    Like, I fucking hate the Beatles, not my taste, but Paul McCartney and John Lennon were undeniably talented.

    It sucks, but sometimes the rich and famous do have some talents that many enjoy. I think she’s one to a certain extent.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago*

    Everyone has talents many people could enjoy.

    Only the rich have the ability to develop those talents without having to worry about everything else. This allows even the mediocre to become passable.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    she’s a decent songwriter

    Her early attempts to write songs by herself were her least commercially-successful albums. Her songs are good (if you like that sort of thing) because they're written by a large agglomeration of professional songwriters.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Depends on how you define $250,000 in cash. Way more than the average American has on hand, not exactly a crazy amount to have if you don't spend it on a bigger house and expensive car as soon as you can and save your kid's college fund. It's a hefty sum, but people comment like she's a forgotten Rockefeller.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Out of 1000 people invited to the wedding, the adoptive father of Travis Kelce 's childhood friend is an objectively evil person. Has there ever been a wedding in the world without one total dick that had to be invited because of some family obligation? Does anyone do in-depth investigations of all the plus-ones? Besides the journalists searching for celebrity dirt to exploit after the fact, that is.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not a pop star or anything, but the number of my husband's friends' parents who were invited to our wedding was zero.

    Did these people run out of actual friends and family to invite? That's sad.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    Does anyone do in-depth investigations of all the plus-ones?

    If I was a billionaire pop-star with a reputation to preserve, I would.

    I guarantee you every single person who was invited at Taylor Swift's wedding was personally vetted by her. Nobody there was there by mistake.

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  • [–] 71 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    A well-known Zionist officiated the wedding...

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    You're talking about Adam Sandler?

    The Waterboy?

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    What a fucking letdown that is, I didn't know. I knew he was Jewish of course but I didn't think he's the kind of person to support this much horror. Guess he goes the way of Andy Samberg.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    I'm not particularly surprised. A lot of people conflate family origins with personal identity.

    "Kiss me, I'm Irish!"

    "You're either with us or against us!"

    "Axis of evil."

    Race biases. Class biases. Gender biases. Etc etc etc, and most of it is unconsciousness and subjective.

    Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.

    Carl Jung

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  • [–] 170 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    "followers of billionaire shocked to find out billionaires act like billionaires, don't care about fans opinions"

    You CANNOT be a billionaire AND a good person. The two are not compatible. If you were a truly good and decent person who cares about others, you WOULDN'T BE A BILLIONAIRE

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    If I were a billionaire my job would quickly be to find good ways to give away my money. Cancer research, paying for school lunches, fund libraries, found some sort of institution that makes life better for people.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Yes, but you would've started doing this long before you became a billionaire, which would've precluded you becoming a billionaire in the first place. Unless you had a change of heart after being visited by three ghosts or something like that.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I think Stoly is more implying an incredibly unlikely event in that they are suddenly in possession of a billion dollars, kinda like the Adam Sandler movie "Mr Deeds"

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    That is correct and very charitable on your part. There is a way in which sometimes the machine starts churning and suddenly the person is a billionaire.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'd seen I think it was Powerball jackpots reaching close to a billion, I know it'd be like half or less after taxes (silly thing that US taxes lottery winnings), but even half a billion is pretty much "fuck you" money for most people

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I genuinely think that a million dollars is enough for most people to live well. Use it responsibly, buy a house, invest the rest. If you work a job that you like on the side, then that's all straight savings.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    That really depends on where you live. A million dollars where I live is enough to buy a house and start a retirement investment that might be enough to retire on in 10-20 years if you keep contributing to it and the yields are good.

    Granted average house price for a modest house (1300sq ft) went from 200k to 800k in the last 10 years here....

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I do know that housing has gone up everywhere. I think my real point is that for a smart person who is conservative in their spending, a million bucks is a ticket to a low-stress life where you can do the things you want to do and not only the things that you have to do.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Mostly I agree with this but not as a blanket statement. I wouldn't view it as "good or bad", but rather " does their behavior cause harm?". In the cause of the vast majority of billionaires, yes, they cause harm to get to where they are. Examples like Swift, Jackson and Rowling where they have become billionaires through entertainment are less straightforward. But there is still the question of why are they hoarding all that money, which quite obviously does harm

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Billionaires DO NOT BECOME BILLIONAIRES THROUGH HARD WORK

    They become stupid rich via exploitation.

    Barring some massive astronomical movie coincidence that makes the rich overnight by surprise, they got their wealth DISHONESTLY.

    THERE ARE NO GOOD BILLIONAIRES.

    By holding on to it instead of using all but what they actually NEED (lpt you don't NEED a 15 million dollar house) they prove it every single day.

    Taylor swift could almost single handedly ensure no child in the US goes hungry, yet.... Doesn't. List any number of charities a billionaire donates to, the fact that they're still a billionaire means it's NOT ENOUGH.

    Every day they have many orders of magnitude more than the average person, they prove they're pieces of shit not worth our time.

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  • [–] 100 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    She's an evil billionaire. No billionaires are good people

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  • [+] -29 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    He's the adoptive father of Travis Kelce's longtime friend, but sure blame the woman.

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago

    They are a couple and they both share the responsibility of how their wedding went. Your right to point out Travis' part in this but ultimately she isn't helpless and is willing to associate herself with these people too.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago

    Gee, maybe she should have pushed back on that invite. Or maybe they could have had their wedding in private rather than making it a spectacle that shut down a chunk of Manhattan, where the guest list would be a little less open to critique.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I can believe that Taylor is a trash person. Lots of rich people are. I still don't understand the seething hatred some people have for her, though. (I mean that I don't understand it if I forget about misogyny.)

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    What really seems hypocritical to me is a lot of the ones here are all "seize the means of production" but shit on her, after she re-recorded her entire catalog to earn the money to buy back the rights to her own original work from the producers who were exploiting her. Badassery without violence threatens their manhood I guess.

    Yes she's self-interested, even self-centered. But they act as if she's in the Evil Billionaire Top Ten when there's mere millionaires who are more evil than her.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    The amount of morons who think billionaires care about them is staggering. You have to be willfully ignorant to not see the pure contempt they have for the rest of us.

    It's takes a special sort of idiot to believe that someone who hoards wealth would give a fuck about anyone else.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago

    If they weren't blindly devoted to the brand imagine, they would have noticed she's just another rich piece of shit

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    OK, but...

    One moment at the ceremony has sparked outrage after Girls star Lena Dunham reportedly left fellow attendees shocked.

    According to Daily Mail, her speech described football as ‘just straight guys reenacting gay porn.’

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    The artist has faced swift backlash...

    Writer just couldn't resist, could they?

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    So it’s true that there are no good billionaires then?

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    MacKenzie Scott may be the exception to that rule.

    Or she may be shitty in ways we don't know yet.

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    TIL people were still worshipping celebrities after Covid

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