The political right hates AI a little less than the left, but not by super much, and some forces from the emerging America First movement are getting ready to protest AI's invasiveness and capacity for manipulation. The org is called Humans First, and they're trying to have a 50501-style nationwide protest about it on July 18th. If both sides cooperate on this one, good things can actually happen, so this should get talked about. A lot. https://www.humansfirst.com/

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[–] 69 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

This is what always gets me.

US dems will throw their leaders under the bus in a split second, or fry them over the slightest past scandal.

Even those that won't will criticize them over specific issues.


Most Republicans, no matter what, cannot blame Trump.

He is objectively, full-throated pro Big Tech; he invited them all to Washington. He is talking about a national OpenAI stake, he is talking up data centres, he literally brought Elon Musk into his cabinet. He's publicly received hundreds in millions of dollars in donations from Tech CEOs! Repeatedly.

Yet even this movement simply cannot bring themselves to say "maybe he's wrong on this one?"

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    One of the big common themes of conservatism is following the leader. They all want to bend the knee. They love hierarchy.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Well, the flip-side is there doesn't seem to be nuance or waffling, either.

    To Republicans, he's either with them, or not; regular folks who break with Trump over an issue seem to renounce him entirely, from what I've seen.


    ...Hence I'm positing this could be a breaking point.

    I think some Trump supports who join this movement, and start watching his actions closely, are going to hit it. Some already did over Epstein, but this is an issue with broader direct impact in peoples' lives.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    To Republicans, he's either with them, or not; regular folks who break with Trump over an issue seem to renounce him entirely, from what I've seen.

    Because once that last straw hits, they stop willfully ignoring everything else and the cognitive dissonance collapses.

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  • [–] 137 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Man, even when they're doing something good, they still have to frame it as "I come first!"

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  • [–] 75 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Conservatives categorically lack the brain capacity to consider others, never mind put them first.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Seems more like a lack of empathy than brain capacity. Moral and intellectual defects are not the same.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Actually there's a fair amount of emerging neuroscience that shows that the brains of people with conservatives worldviews have lowered activity in the regions that process empathy, lowered activity in the regions that engage and resolve conflicts , and biased towards feeling threatened in a safe situation.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    We do though. The entire lexicon of racism is ripe to be repurposed for shit-talking AI, because clankers literally aren't people and they actually do make society worse. For the first time in human history, there is something out there that it is morally correct to be bigoted at. I think the slogan also carries the subtle implication that the people behind AI aren't totally human too, which is great. Fuck clankers.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Sure, but "clankers" aren't a thing. AI isn't sentient, the humans creating and pushing AI are. They're our real enemies. Being angry at "clankers" is like seeing a guy coming at you with a knife and punching the knife.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (6 children)

    I thought "clankers" were the people using the slop machines.

    "Sloppers" is also a good word for them.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Ah, in that case we're on the same page. I thought "clankers" was a term people were using to "put down" AI clients themselves, as if they had the ability to feel bad. Still, though, it means that the "humans first" idea breaks down, because it's still just humans vs other humans.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I think you were right about clankers referring to the AI. It’s clear in the root comment that’s what they mean when they say “they literally aren’t people”. Also, it is common slang for robots in various media including, I think, Star Wars.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I guess it might be used both ways? Which is silly, the chatbots aren't going to get their feelings hurt by name calling.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I personally believe that sometimes to get a message across you have to leave morality behind to appeal to the base who is recieving the message.

    I know its bad if I call elon musk a "retard", or if I embrace racisim when I use words like clanker.

    But one of the biggest lessons I think we all missed is that during the alt right pipeline around like 2012 was created by embracing the energy of edgy kids. Those kids are adults now and the ones who still are living in gamer gate culture war bs. Those are the people who get pysoped into believing in whatever trump says because they're just tapping into emotions they got trained to get rage baited by when they where 15, and learned all the shitty talking points that they Still repeat 20 years later.

    I'm going to say its bad praxis to try to educate someone when instead we should be taking the low hanging fruit and just dunking on them as if we are going back to the age when we called things "gay." We have for force a cultural normity of bullying people for trying to say dumb racist things, as apposed to this momish/teacher lecture that we can't help ourselves from doing. I'm doing it right now.

    Embracing terms like clanker and just straight up bullying ai defenders is good praxis IMO.

    ...And yes I understand local Ai is different and kind of cool, but you have to understand you are like 1% of the people who even use Ai. When the world as a whole says "Ai" they are thinking of the corperate giants who run LLMs like claude or chatgpt. If the term Ai has to get hijacked and turned into this vauge watered down word that refers to LLMs, then Ai as a whole has to get smeared and you have to accept the fact we are rarely ever talking about you. Running a local Ai model is probably infinitely less problematic, and if there was some socialist automation revolution it would come from someone like you using local Ai models.

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    "The conservative movement has been transformed by President Trump into a movement that puts the interests of everyday Americans first. Now, Big AI globalists seek to hijack our movement to get Washington, D.C. to put Big AI before the American people."

    First of all, LOL

    Secondly, the calls are coming from inside the party, dipshits.

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  • [–] 81 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    How amazing would it be if our hatred for AI slop is what finally unites the working class against the billionaires?

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago

    In a sense, it will

    There was a guy who started talking about how they used AI in their ads and noticed way less conversion rate. They decided, fuck it, like write on cardboard and do something real and human. Waaaay better results.

    I think the big wigs are going to realize they're getting ripped off by AI, told it's the future and that they need to invest and adopt before anyone else, and they're now realizing they're spending millions to save thousands.

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Humans First is a conservative social movement that is dedicated to ensuring that the future of AI is in the hands of everyday people.

    That doesn't sound anti-AI to me.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    The cool new shill tactic is to pretend to be anti-AI or "concerned about AI" so they can hijack the conversation and re-direct people's focus away from actual change and regulation. They bring up do-nothing solutions like "Local LLMs" or a there being a "public stake" in the industry.

    Lemmy is absolutely thick with these cockroaches.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Big AI globalists seek to hijack our movement to get Washington, D.C. to put Big AI before the American people.

    Wow!! Who invited big AI to DC??

    Tap for spoiler

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    "IT'S AFFECTING ME NOW!!!!"

    Think they'll beat the living fuck out of some cops and attempt to murder some politicians? Seems to be the standard for their "protests".

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Makes sense. Both the Harkonnens and the Atreides were anti ai.

    Like other commenters are saying: it’ll be sweet if anti ai sentiment unites people but the entirety of human history suggests people will cooperate until the threat is over and then they’ll break upon lines of who wipes standing or sitting or some other dumb shit.

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  • [+] 24 points 4 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    yeah the GOP will produce an edict about how AI is good and they'll probably fall in line.

    Well, except the ones paying more for everything - hey wait a minute, that's what we get with everything GOP what the fuck

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    Fake ass protest. Conservatives love AI.

    The cool new shill tactic is to pretend to be anti-AI or “concerned about AI” so they can hijack the conversation and re-direct people’s focus away from actual change and regulation. They bring up do-nothing solutions like “Local LLMs” or a there being a “public stake” in the industry.

    Lemmy is absolutely thick with these cockroaches.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    It's fake concern all right. In Florida, DeSantis is term-limited out after this next election (YAY!), and Trump's hand picked candidate is Byron Donaldson.

    This week he started running anl campaign ad in which he shows concern for data centers, and has some utility rate protection he's pushing. It makes him sound a bit anti-data center, so I looked it up.

    Turns out he LOVES data centers, he's just doing this one little thing so he can sound like he's pushing back against them, and ease the biggest worry of MAGAs - higher utility bills. They don't care if it destroys the environment, they just don't want to pay more for it.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Woke AI companies are making all conservative men super gay.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    There was a lot of conservative outrage over early image generation models because the system prompts told them to be racially inclusive, so they wound up generating black people when told to generate something like "medieval European king and queen". If only people had realized then that these machines aren't actually sentient and are just doing what they're prompted to...

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    A backwards clock is right more frequently than a stopped one.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's funny to me when their supreme leader keeps using ai generated videos to "own" his enemies. Did you all see the one of him as a doctor diagnosing TDS?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    This feels super weird. Would they turn liberals away if they showed up? (Or at least tell them to go protest across the street because "this side is for anti-globalists" or whatever.) I dunno, just seems odd to try to create a popular movement specifically by alienating people who would agree with them on that particular issue.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Maybe the USA has finally found an issue to get behind and unify itself against?

    I hate AI because I don't want some rando easily doxing me for no good reason anytime they want. I assume the other side wants the same. They don't want us to find out about all the little nasty evil things they do. I can get behind that, I understand.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Occupy Wall Street taught us one thing; trying to cooperate with conservatives is like trying to fuck a cactus. In theory, it could fit in that hole. In practice, it'll do more damage than anything else.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Tbf, the "damage" is state employed agitators showing up to sow demographical division because coming together against the 1% is too close to actually doing something and we need to be distracted lest something start to actually change, and the fallout from that.

    But yeah, fair.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    No. Co-opting shit is one of the worst tendencies that comes out of the left

    But they could go and support it. Imagine organising a conservative anti-ai rally and getting met not with a counter protest, but with a horde of left/progressive people supporting your core message. It would be a head fuck and maybe enough to make you start questioning your reality and allegiances.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Too many gray areas (bodies of water) on that map with no red anywhere near them. The people there are going to be really surprised to learn that they've been living on some tech company's water all their lives, and that their local water board all retired and left the state at the same time.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The whole thing kind of reads like a Progressive[^1] attempt to dress progressive ideas[^2] in traditionalist aesthetics in order to appeal to Conservatives.

    [^1]: More like Gray Tribe, actually [^2]: Kind of weird that the current frontier of technology is considered conservative and opposing it is considered progressive - but here we are.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Am... am I about to go to a conservative protest? That was not on my bingo card.

    Edit: I'd be curious to hear from the AI data center fanboys down voting me.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago

    Shit is gonna get weirder before it gets more normal. The end might be in sight but the ride ain't over. I'm pretty sure America First is what most Trump voters thought they were voting for. Not especially friendly on social policy but not controlled top-down like MAGA and the Tea Party. More American, less 'murica AFAIK

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    lefties should use it as an opportunity for solidarity.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Nobody should show solidarity with those who voted for a pedophile.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

    then you will actually divide as a nation, theres no way around it. i'm personally not against that as a Canadian who doesn't want you invading us but I hope your prepared for what that will actually intale when the devide happens.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    That divide has already happened. These people chose to support the worst pedophiles in modern history, they don't get to walk away from that. They need to carry that shame for life.

    I don't care about the divide, I welcome it. As these people live their lives before they die, I want them to remain a cautionary tale for younger generations. Those generations will contain the same creeps that became Nazis and KKK and MAGA, and they will try to rise again in the future.

    Those future generations need to remember back to what the MAGAs did back in the early 21st century, and slap them down hard when they get froggy again. Growing up seeing the old MAGAs get treated as pariahs will help them resist the new ones.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    This is rich coming from a Canadian. Do you have solidarity with the Maple MAGA creeps trying to take your country in the same direction ours went?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You actually don't understand what I'm saying at all do you. I'm simply clerify what will happen, I in no way support the separatist movement your government started, but you didn't even think about that did you knee-jerk.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The people you are telling me to have solidarity with want me dead and want my country to be even worse than it already is. Oh, and they're the ones who want to invade yours. I'm not sure you understand what you're saying.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    you act as if this single protest isnt out of selfishness, it is, they only care now because the AI DC are in thier counties with no restrictions. when since did the cons ever protested with "THE LEFT" on the more important things that happened recently. by the way its always been left vs right+ center right since reagan came around.

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