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[–] 212 points 4 months ago (2 children)

2FA won’t help if you leave a session running on a public device

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  • [–] 81 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Two factor would not help here. One needs to remember to log out of public devices before leaving them.

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  • [+] 52 points 4 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Tv and app creators I feel like are also a bit responsible for this by not making it easy to do timed logouts when you log into a device for the first time. Unless you have a mental or physical checklist going its not a high priority

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    We just stayed at a disney resort a few weeks ago. The tv prompted us to sign into OUR disney+ account...

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Ellipsis are wrongly used again. Why do you people keep using shit you do not understand?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Probably because most the TVs are designed to auto logout after check out. So when you run into one that isn't it's weird.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Interesting. I've actually never heard of them automatically logging out. That's partly why I am hesitant to log in in the first place.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Most of the TVs that have apps like these in hotels specifically state on the login page that upon check out their system will automatically wipe your logins. At least in the several that I've used that have specific tight end apps like these. There are of course those cheap hotels that just have the Smart TVs in the rooms that you're free to log in as you wish as long as you remember to log out. Usually in those cases I won't log in at all or I may choose to log into like say Netflix if my kids are there and then are just remembered to log out. Of course I stay in a lot of hotels during the year as well. Think this year I'm already something like 20 or 25 nights in a hotel.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Does it really matter to anyone other than the streaming companies?

    If the next guy at the hotel watches my HBO why would I care?

    Worst case scenario I lose my spot in a show.

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  • [–] 50 points 4 months ago

    Kid looks like a Mad magazine cover.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Wonder what Timothy is up to nowadays

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    Ok, you've hacked me.

    I hope you're ready for what you're about to see.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    "Hahaha hacked!!! ... now let me dox myself."

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It's like when people think VPNs will magically prevent their credentials from leaking while they're giving them to some sketchy website

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    But the YouTuber that sold me my VPN said it kept my online data safe (whatever that means)

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Supposed to be 'Secure in Transit' though does nothing if you, as Saapas said, go to a sketchy site and reuse credentials. Data is so cheap today I have more data on my phone than I use a month on pc with live streaming, streaming yt, and playing online

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    Back when I was in college, I was young and dumb enough that I'd login to AIM on the college computers. (Nowadays I won't login to personal accounts on anything I don't fully control. I'm always surprised by coworkers who check their bank accounts, social media, personal email, etc. on their work laptops.)

    Anyway, even at the time I was pretty good at logging out when I left each computer, but once I forgot. The next time I logged in, I was surprised to discover that my entire buddy list had been cleared. I never understood the motivation behind doing so. I don't think it was particularly funny but, even if it were, it's not like the perpetrator got to see my reaction or even to point and laugh.

    I did learn a lesson from it, but presuming that that was the mission of whomever did it feels ... Generous.

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  • [+] 0 points 4 months ago* (15 children)
  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    You shouldn't.

    If the goal was to teach me a lesson, there were less destructive ways to do it.

    If the goal was to troll, well, that's without redeeming qualities.

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  • [+] 6 points 4 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    I agree that doing something non destructive is fine, if unnecessary.

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  • [+] 0 points 4 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (9 children)

    All right then, "beneficial." To anyone involved.

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  • [+] 1 point 4 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    If you're referring to AIM (and other messengers) as "social media," I would definitely describe them as having a net positive impact on at least my personal life.

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  • [+] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    It's more like Google chat or your contacts list of folks you SMS with. People you probably know from high school and nowadays you'd text, but AOL Instant Messager was free, used a device with a full keyboard, and didn't require a cell phone which you didn't have because it was 2001.

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  • [+] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Nah, it was an application on family computer. You know, the computer in the corner of the dining room where your parents and baby brother could read over your shoulder. (I had my own computer in my room, but it didn't even have a network card or modem.)

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Logged into what?

    What's a Sprint store?

    If it's a shop that sells electronics like Currys or Mediamarkt then why would this person log into anything on display?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Phone carrier.

    They have display phones and tablets.

    And some people use those display units for social media for some reason.

    Back in the 2010s I had a friend work in stores as a "device expert", he handled daily resets of the display units (this was pre-MDM easy management days). The number of people who just logged on to Twitter, Facebook Messenger, even WhatsApp or GRINDR of all things (yes, dude left his grindr account logged in, full of explicit images, which downloaded to the device's gallery, while the phones were most often used by KIDS in the store...), it was simply astonishing.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Sprint is was a phone carrier in North America (pretty sure just the US, but they may have been in Canadia, too)

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    No it was USA only. We have three mobile carriers that own all the cell towers here. You’re either with Rogers, Bell, or Telus, or one of their derivatives. There’s zero competition here, it’s ridiculous.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

    2fa wouldn't change anything and sms is an insecure system to begin with.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (11 children)

    [citation needed] on the second half

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    A big feature of sms is that it's not encrypted. Every tower that recieves the message is trusted to forward it unaltered. This is one attack avenue.

    https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2020/11/12/sms-voice-mfa/

    Things like the following are generally recommended though Microsoft recommends using their app. https://www.yubico.com/

    I should have clarified that sms 2fa is insecure not 2fa.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Briefly: look into sim swapping, which is the most obvious, day to day risk.

    Then there's SS7 and how inherently trusting the whole system is.

    Then depending on where you are, some mobile networks still have terrible link encryption (were talking so bad a normal laptop is enough these days to break it on the fly). Granted, this is rare these days, in part thanks to the efforts of Karsten Knohl, SRLabs and other security researchers who did a lot to shine a light on this and SS7

    Not sure how up to date it still is, but https://gsmmap.srlabs.de/ shows how unequal networks are.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    This is becoming less of an issue as US Mobile has anti-SIM-hijacking protection; hopefully other carriers will follow suit. Of course, the carriers themselves can still read your msgs, but so can WhatsApp, probably (despite their claims to the contrary).

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    That’s all sms though, not 2fa in general.

    All valid points and good information within that scope.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    (...) and sms is an insecure system to begin with.

    citation needed on the second half

    That’s all sms though, not 2fa in general.

    Are you an LLM?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (4 children)

    It’s been edited, bud. Originally it said that 2fa in general is insecure.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    The edit icon is a bit not-obvious in Voyager...
    And I can't view the original text.

    Edit: Speeling on a phone is hard (read: annyoing)

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think the original text before edits is viewable by anyone other than possibly instance admins.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Lmao this is cute

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    A non-tech store had some iPhones and iPads on display. No internet. But it COULD connect to my phone hotspot. Wish I did something more than just download a rainbow six siege pic and set it as the wallpaper, but they took down that demo for I think close to a month.

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    [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    A few days ago I though 2FA didn't worked for lemmy but I just didn't have timezone or something and that's why I couldn't login.

    <-- Aegis is goated

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    2fa got me locked out of google after losing my phone so fu2

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    Do you blame the locksmith if you lose your keys?

    I could take the locks off the door to my house but then I can’t be mad when I get robbed

    Edit: I hope that the lesson learned is about needing to have multiple forms of MFA and a safe location for back up codes, like you would have multiple sets of keys and maybe a key box hidden in a safe place. Not blaming you for not realizing it at the time, it’s not something one would think about until it’s too late. It’s not like we had our parents to teach us about MFA best practices like you might have for house keys

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You didn't print out or write down the codes they give you for this exact situation? 100% your fault and not 2FA's

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    True but also I wasn't there when other people had to clear out my apartment so I didn't have much of a clue wether or not it would be saved.

    Still know my pw managers pw by heart and have my gmail account pw written down but not that actual code, no.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Google doesn't give you codes. They don't even tell you that they enabled 2FA. If you log in on an android device, they will automatically enable it for 2FA, and for some reason they assume you will have access to this phone until the end of time, even if you haven't turned it on in months. The only way to go around this is to set up 2FA manually.

    Google has locked so many people I know out of their accounts it's ridiculous.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Tell it to my print out of emergency 2FA codes sitting in my documents safe.

    https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/1187538

    You can get a new set of 10 backup codes whenever you want. When you create a new set of codes, the old set automatically becomes inactive.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Yeah if you're smart with the computor like me and you then you keep your 2FA backup somewhere. But if you're just a normal person, it doesn't occur to you. Google doesn't even do a very good job reminding you to properly set up 2FA in the first place.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    I dont care for 2fa. Not interested in having my phone connected to my computer, and i dont like having an extra step when logging into stuff -- especially an extra step that needs me to use a second device. Id honestly rather risk getting hacked over ever having to use 2fa again.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Use a Yubikey. It's a small USB Device you can put on a keychain. It is still a second device, but it's not your phone. And you always have your keys with you, anyway.

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  • [+] -1 points 4 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Please provide a source to justify the "likely steals your data" comment.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Why do you think you need to connect your phone to your computer?

    You do know you can just generate codes and neither device will know of the others existence, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I have no reason to believe that the google authenticator app on my google phone doesn't register and record that it's being used to log into XYZ website, and further that XYZ website is not then sending back unique identifying info to Google about me when ive used the code to log in.

    I've lived with tech long enough to know that if they say "we absolutely don't," it really means they probably do.

    Like when they swore up and down and gaslit us that our phones aren't listening to us to generate ads.

    How many lies can I believe before I begin assuming everything is just another lie from a liar?

    Guess im paranoid.

    But that whole thing ignores that it's an annoying second step with another device. Like "you want to log in? Thread a needle with the string in your pocket first..."

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    But then just don’t use google authenticator and instead one of the FOSS alternatives? Aegis comes to mind.

    Like the original reply to your situation said, you do you - but this seems a weird threat model to me, extra-step point notwithstanding.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    MFA (a better term IMO for this) has nothing to go with phones, per se.

    It's just about reducing risk by adding more proofs that the person claiming to have the right to do something has indeed the right to do something.

    Unless you have excellent password hygiene (long, random, different for every single site and service) the likelihood of having an account taken over goes up quite fast. The overwhelming majority of the population doesn't, so forcing a second factor is a good way to limit damage.

    If you don'tt like the multi step process, look at psskeys. They aren't perfect, but they offer nearly all the security benefits of MFA without having to go throughthrough multiple steps.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    That is not what 'hacked' means.

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