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[–] 4 points 4 months ago

Everyone should request a refund

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    [–] 162 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    If buying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing

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  • [–] 73 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I truly feel sorry for everyone affected but it's also important to draw firm conclusions from this happening to oneself.

    I've had this happen to me once, bought myself an Album on Amazon Music, back then the Amazon Music App was rather unusable so I just downloaded the MP3, years later I wanted to redownload some of the "worse" songs from this album I had deleted/lost over the years. Gone, the entire thing gone. Still there in my purchase history, unavailable anywhere else. Best part: the album itself was still on Amazon so I could have bought it again.

    I drew my conclusion: Never buy with DRM. Always download the files, even if I don't need them.

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    [–] 33 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    Sony pulled Linux from the PS3.

    They've also pulled similar stuff on phones and other gadgets.

    They lost my trust and I won't buy anything from them again.

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    Sony pulled Linux from the PS3.

    which was there so Sony could sell their console with a lower tax rate in some countries because it qualified as a "Personal Computer" due to Linux being available, whereas without they would have needed to sell it as "Entertainment Media"

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  • [–] 56 points 4 months ago

    Thanks to Sony for showing us why digital piracy is necessary and justified.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't even sail the high seas these days, but objectively it's the morally right thing to do. They're straight-up stealing from people and giving them nothing in return. So please pirate anything and everything Sony!

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    How can a company even legally give you a "license to view something" like that without advertising it as "until we randomly decide to take it down. It shouldn't be legal. They should have to say what the contract is for all the things they sell licenses for.

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    And just to be sure make a digital copy of those so you have at least 2 versions available should either version degrade.

    In some jurisdiction bypassing the DRM for strictly personal use is even legal, in those where it's not: if you don't share your private copy can anyone even prove you bypassed it?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I thought disc rot wasn't a thing anymore with Blu-ray?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I am not an optical disc expert, but I recall with CDs/DVDs, factory pressed are more resilient whereas burned discs can rot more easily. I believe this still holds true with BR. Furthermore, there are carbon-based BR discs that profess to not exhibit data rot for 1000 years.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    All physical objects degrade with time. Factory-pressed commercial discs like movies have an expected lifespan of 10-20 years assuming they’re stored properly at all times.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    "From September 1, 2026, due to our content licensing agreements, you will no longer be able to access your previously purchased content from Studio Canal, and it will be removed from your video library.

    Fuck Thank you,

    PlayStation Store"

    Fixed it for you.

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't they do this once before several years ago? Or maybe that was Amazon. In any case, if you don't own what you pay for, then taking it without paying can't be wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    It happens periodically with any digital store because that's the risk with being leased content from a digitial storefront. They may, due to licensing issues, remove content or the store may shutdown preventing you from accessing your content.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    I have a friend that works in the film industry. He's real talented, and has trouble finding work. So sometimes I feel a pang of regret, pirating stuff. Then I see bullshit like this, and it helps me know that I'm doing the right thing. When technofascists get so mad about people being against them, that they turn the internet off, I'll be sitting pretty with my external hard drive stuffed to the brim with all sorts of awesome stuff to watch.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If i buy digitial i should reserve the right to download and retain that item in a digital format

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I wasn't planning on torrenting those movies but I think I'll do it now out of spite.

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    Sony being Sony since at least the 80s

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    back in the early days of walkmans, you could call 'em up toll-free, say you lost the battery cover or the headphone cable is broke, and they'd send you a replacement. no worries about 'warranty', no cost to you...

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)
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    Curious: what exactly happened in 1997 regarding Sony?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I was loosely guessing the year based on memory. But I think it was around then that they tried some music DRM shit that installed a root kit on your PC if you put the disc in it, and it screwed up a ton of computers. Caused major vulnerabilities and backdoors for other virus' and exploits and they got sued and government basically put a stop to their DRM tactics.

    Well as I wrote this, I decided to look up exactly when this happened, and I was pretty far off. Time all runs together the older I get. It didn't happen until 2005.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Hey, thanks.

    I didn't remember the exact year of the rootkit incident but I knew it was around the mid-2000s because that's when I coincidentally started to try Linux (and fully switched to it in a year or two) and I would pay attention to this kind of news (I guess they played a role in my commitment to Linux).

    Well, so there might not be something special about 1997 regarding Sony after all... but I agree about Sony being at their peak in the 90s.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    SONY, FUCKING SONY!

    -Floss

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Til Sony had a movie store.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Not surprised. They did this with their other movie app a few years ago, the one that allowed you to download a free digital version of DVDs when you bought the DVD back when streaming was new.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    No they didn't. You just need to download an app called qbittorrent, click the search tab, type the movie name then double click the one at the top with the highest number of 'seeders'. Shortly thereafter the movie will be safely on your computer.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Here is the excellent itemised history of the nonsense seen, during the introduction of streaming media:

    https://lemmy.ml/post/49320624

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  • [+] -15 points 4 months ago* (15 children)

    As far as I can tell, the headline is misleading, it's streaming of movies bought on Studiocanal that isn't available.
    I assume streaming is still possible through other sources, but I can't really say, the service isn't available in my country.
    The company operates primarily in France, Germany and UK, so if the headline was really true, I bet it would result in a shitstorm from EU regulators.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    The last Time i 'owned' something from sony, back on my ps vita, when they pulled the same stunt the regulator didnt give a fuck. So i would assume neither do they now.

    I learned my lesson back then and never again spend money on ps store.

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  • [+] -13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    That's a very vague story. If people have bought access to watch a movie without a time limit, they can't legally just remove that access. Unless that service is available through other easily accessible services, like for instance an internet service.
    You also don't mention if you were in EU at the time.

    It seems like this may be a 3rd party service delivered on the PlayStation, so it may be the responsibility of Studiocanal and not Sony.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    If they had to write "lifetime means 2 years (or whenever we feel like it)" in big letters above the works "buy" or "purchase" it may affect their "sales". They can write whatever they want in small print, they shouldn't have told customers it was buying.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    they want in small print,

    Nope, not in EU they can't. And pressing a button that says yes is not legally binding in EU, we do have actual legal precedence for that.
    Also the laws that protect consumers CANNOT ever never be put aside by any license agreement!! Any such license is ILLEGAL, and by being illegal all claims to protect the issuer of the license are illegal. While those granting consumers protections may still stand.

    Actually putting things in "small print" are more likely to void any claims than actually uphold them in a court of law.
    Remember these are also EU countries, and EU countries have actual consumer protection, it's not like the wild west of countries like USA.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It was Eu, Germany and they removed the abillity to redownload bought series/movies,but graciusly allowed us to keep the already downloaded stuff.

    As the files where drm protected and not copy able, that was not a long time solution, espacially with the price gouging of psvita memory cards.

    Im so vague, because its probably over 10 years since then.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago

    While that obviously sucks, there was a way to keep accessing all the content you wanted to keep.
    While that is a scumbag move, I can understand how regulation wasn't designed to handle a situation like that.
    I'm not even sure it is today.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    They can and they do, it's called selling a license to watch. If the platform loses their license to redistribute you may still hold that license to watch with them but since they now are not allowed to show it to you anymore that license is worth nothing anymore. Now if what you "bought" ever enters their platform again your license should still be valid, however often they weasel around this by licensing a "remaster" or other slightly modified version so they can argue it's a different work.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It's not misleading. Sony is the one who took the money and hides somewhere 23 pages inside their terms of service that the terms "buy", "purchase", "own" and so on don't mean what they commonly do. Your contract regarding these movies is with Sony - the underlying structure should not matter to you. This is not the first time Sony pulled this shit. Go watch Louis Rossmanns video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYxmRaRRdc0

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    hides somewhere 23 pages inside their terms of service that the terms “buy”, “purchase”, “own” and so on don’t mean what they commonly do.

    Doesn't matter in regard to consumer protection laws, you can't press a button, and legally lose your legally defined consumer protections.
    Also no license is allowed to put consumers in a worse position than required by law. Attempts to do so can actually make the license illegal! Voiding any protection the issuer seeks from the license.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Where did you get that information from?

    Why would they buy it on Studio Canal and then stream it from Sony?

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    Remember, they could have easily negotiated license terms that wouldn’t have had this outcome for people who already paid. They chose not to. This wasn’t forced on them unexpectedly.

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    Why anyone still does this dumb shit is beyond me.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Gotta make %0.001 more profit. 💪

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    No I mean giving them money in return for media.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    I still have an ancient ass 4-bay Drobo with four 6TB hard drives full of content nobody will ever take from me.

    Sony can suck a nut.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Ouff. If my 15 TB seeding server wasn't already full, I'd seed all of them, but at least I'm seeding some of them...

    Setup your environment and grab what you can. 😊

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    Freaking knew it wouldn't be long before they tried their ring of theft again.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    And they wonder why I don't buy digital movies or shows lol.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I hope they do more of that, their customers fully deserve it

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