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[–] 9 points 4 months ago*

Yes, i'm one of the pre-alpha tester. It's supposed to be release around 2022 but it got leaked late 2019, so they have to put out an early access version right away.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    No. It’s pretty much concluded to have crossed to humans in a wet market.

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    [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    No. The reason it was discovered in a lab isn't because they invented it but because they regularly tested people.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (24 children)

    To do what, exactly?

    “Boss, I came up with a brilliant plan! We’re going to release a virus that mildly inconveniences a lot of people! It’ll clog hospitals in random parts of the world for a couple weeks at a time, kill a small percentage of people, and maybe even strand a single cruise ship! We’ll of course have no control over where it goes or how it mutates, and there will probably be an effective vaccine within a year.”

    “Ok, Ted, that certainly sounds like a thing we could do, but FUCKING WHY?”

    If you’re going to come up with a big scary government story, you need to include the part where the big scary government had an actual plan.

    I already know the response: “I’m not saying this is actually the case. I’m just thinking it, out loud, in your general direction. And yeah, l totally believe it and I literally did just say it, but I also just said I didn’t say it so if anyone points out the obvious I can try to save face, mmk?”

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  • [+] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (23 children)
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Globally over a couple of years? Yeah, tiny!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Yes, I think 0.28% of the world’s population is small. You still haven’t answered the question. Why, Ted? Why?

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  • [+] [S] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (17 children)
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    No, your comment is stupid. 16,000 is a big number. 0.00000001 is a small number.

    Now that we’ve established that some numbers are smaller than others: namely, that 22.1 million is smaller than 8 billion, 16,000 is smaller than 22.1 million, and 0.00000001 is smaller than 22.1 million, will you quit stalling and answer the question?

    The more you dodge it, the more you prove that you have no answer. And without an answer, your entire conspiracy theory falls apart.

    So I’ll ask one more time: Why would a government release this specific virus?

    Was it because they had gone diamond hands in Zoom stock calls and needed to cash out? We’re all waiting.

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  • [+] [S] 0 points 4 months ago* (15 children)
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    It is clear you are unable to answer the question that is central to your conspiracy theory.

    Also, despite your claims elsewhere in your thread, you have accidentally revealed here that you are indeed JAQing off.

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  • [+] [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (13 children)
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    So you’re saying the Chinese government released a virus so that vaccines could be released by:

    • A German company
    • A British-Swedish company
    • A Chinese government owned company
    • Three different US companies
    • A Dutch biotech subsidiary of a Belgian subsidiary of a US company
    • An Indian company
    • A private Chinese company
    • A French company
    • The Russian government
    • The Cuban government
    • An Iranian company

    So their goal was to release a virus so they could be one of many countries to develop a cure, with most of the cures being made by private companies in countries that are their enemies? And what was the goal of this? So they could say, “Look, we are one of several countries to make the same cure?”

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  • [+] [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (11 children)
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    So I’m actually a doctor and this is just wrong. The vaccine was developed properly built on decades of research and produced quickly with appropriate funding. Though I detest Trump, signing off on Operation Warp Speed was an actual sensible thing he did during his first term.

    Your comparison to the polio vaccine is interesting because you’re clearly not aware of the Cutter incident or that OPV causes polio in a small percentage of recipients. By comparison, the COVID-19 vaccines had a much smoother rollout and cannot actually cause COVID-19.

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  • [+] [S] 0 points 4 months ago* (8 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children)

    It isn't a live virus vaccine, is what they're saying. It contains no viral materials. Yes you can still get infected and spread the virus; thinking otherwise is an elementary-school understanding of immunology. No one knowledgeable would ever claim that specifically; they would say it reduces the spread and improves health outcomes when you do get exposed. It depends on how your body reacts to the vaccine, lead time to exposure, and the viral dose you're exposed to.

    I'm more inclined to believe they're a doctor than you're arguing in good faith...

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  • [+] [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    *edited my comment for additional context.

    Yes, of course you can. But that's significantly different from the vaccine causing the illness, which is what they were arguing against.

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  • [+] [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Pedantics, really. In colloquial terms, it makes sense to describe a vaccine as doing exactly that. Not everyone has a grasp on the statistics involves; a huge number of people learned about R0 for the first time because of covid. People were arguing over whether you should wash your hands and wear a mask like it was the dawn of germ theory; I forgive the media for not going into hour long lectures about viral replication in the body and the expected statistical significance of vaccination...

    (And I hate to defend the MSM...)

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I suggest you look into the clinical data about what studies were done prior to approval of the vaccine. It was a record-breaking modern deployment speed, yes, but not many corners were cut and the technology was pretty well understood and was always a potential tool for a rapid response scenario.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yes of course! By the lizard people obviously. Must have been then because they are reptiles, and reptiles are immune to Covid. Also, wherever chemtrails have been sighted, people were affected by Covid, so there’s another connection.

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    No. Check out “The rest is classified” recent podcasts on COVID19 for details.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (16 children)

    No.
    I do think it leaked from a lab in Wuhan, but not that it was on purpose.
    Keeping viruses contained is difficult. One slipup, or one incompetent person, and and it's out.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    No.

    This is almost definitely correct.

    I do think it leaked from a lab in Wuhan, but not that it was on purpose.

    This, however, is possible, but probably false. The consensus among virologists is that the virus crossed to humans at the Wuhan animal market, not the lab. As I say, it's possible and scientists are still looking into it. We don't know the exact mechanism by which the virus first infected humans, but the market is more likely.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    It makes most sense that it came from the lab where such viruses were studied. But there was a cover-up.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    It makes total sense if you ignore the epidemiological and genetic evidence that it came from the seafood market and instead hallucinate a ton of non-existing evidence it came from the lab.

    There's no evidence to support the lab-leak theory at this time.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Just Asking Questions (JAQing off) is a thing, it’s a form of trolling where people who either already have a POV or aren’t really actually interested in answers engage in discussion, typically in bad faith.

    For example if you ask “do you think COVID-19 was engineered…” (given the conspiracy theorism inherent in the topic) and someone replies with an answer (no) to which you think reply “yes but virus can be easily engineered and released” and every response contains some variant of “I’m just asking a question”. You can probably see how it fits a pattern.

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  • [+] [S] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ultimately, no I dont think it was on purpose. Though there are some scenarios where it would make sense but personally I dont see enough evidence to support those scenarios. I doubt it was even accidental release.

    If it was on purpose, then it was likely supposed to be a bioweapon. But it affected the country that the biolab functioned in REALLY badly. So unless the purpose was to cull the population there and maybe use that as cover to cause damage to rest of the world too I dont think it was on purpose. Also I doubt china would let foreign controlled viral biolab exist, so foreign influence is also quite remote possibilty. Foreign sabotage is plausible though but there is no way to even speculate about that. But if that was the case, i think china would be much more irate about things(and i dont think anyone could pull something like that without leaving ANY traces for chinese intelligence agencies to even suspect).

    So the on purpose scenario would require that complete psychopats with taste for blood are in charge, accidental release of bioweapon scenario would mean complete idiots are in charge. One would imply more would follow, another that either idiots are no longer in charge or also more would follow.

    There is also possibility of commercial reason; develop a virus, release it and sell cure for it. I think the "shareholders" wouldn't let the disease to fade away this much, or become more mild. I'm not sure how fast they did develop vaccines for it though. If its simply not possible to go from 0 to something that can be distributed to masses so fast, then some work would have had been done even before the outbreak. But I think there would have been at least some hints at some point, cant keep stuff like this 100% secret forever.

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. While there so some people in power that absolutely would release something like this on the public, I don't think this was deliberate. Someone just slipped up. And if humans trusted science instead of hoodoo, we could have contained it. It spread because we are dumb.

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it was meant to be a test by the overlord to determine who's intellectually fit enough to survive and you obviously failed.

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    [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I call Occam's razor, so probably not.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    By whom? Nature doesn't really have release schedules like humans associate with products. Evolution and cell mutation don't give a crap about us.

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 4 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    With questions you imply something, so every question is a statement to an extent

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Spending a million dollars is not an activity surrounded by conspiracy theories.

    Covid-19 very much is surrounded by conspiracy theories.

    See the difference?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Engineered bioweapons are of course a thing, but sars-cov-2 is far from that. Even at the time, I knew college kids who could probably make a more dangerous virus if they had the resources.

    Covid was a slow underhand toss of what an existential threat could look like, and humanity / governments fumbled it right into a faceplant. It's embarrassing, frankly.

    All evidence and analysis of the virus point to natural origins and evolutionary pathways. There's no evidence of editing or that it was part of gain-of-function research. The virus is relatively harmless by historic measures, but also not weak or documented enough to be used in evolutional studies. It would be far more potent if it was engineered, and it wouldn't have been so novel if it was being used for research.

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