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[–] 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My mom died in November 2020 due to something like an upper respiratory infection. Antibiotics could have saved her, but she chose vitamins and colloidal silver. She'd been part of this christofascism cult since the 90s

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  • [–] 80 points 4 months ago

    Lol, lmao even

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  • [–] 144 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    This is literally natural selection in action. Do not interfere. They want to do everything on their own, no problem. But no hypocrisy. Make your choice and stand by it come what may.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    It's not natural selection if they breed before dying, and I think the conservatives are still having more children earlier then liberals because they think God said condoms and abortion are evil.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Some takeaways from the study:

    One goal of the study was to separate external vs internal causes, that is things like car accidents and violence vs heart attacks and diabetes.

    The gap appeared not just in those who identified long-term with either side but with those who flipped from one side to the other. Those who went right to left and left to right had better or worse outcomes respectively. The other factors that correlated with the gap the most were income, insurance, education then religiosity and marriage. Race, ethnicity and gender were the least correlated. Those who identified as moderates at some point correlated the least. Marriage and religiosity tend to correlate with longer lives (religion due to social support).

    The negative coefficients in the first years of all-cause deaths show that liberals died at rates higher than or similar to conservatives in the early 2000s, although the coefficients do not statistically differ from zero. However, by 2020–2022, more conservative respondents (as measured in waves 3 and 5) were significantly more likely to die than more liberal ones.

    Although ideology became more predictive of health during the 2010s, the relationship between politics and mortality became consistently significant only after 2020...A strong relationship appears: participants who identify as very conservative were about 1.144 percentage points...more likely to die in 2020–2022 than those who were very liberal. Unlike in the biomarker analyses, moderate, conservative and very conservative respondents showed worse health - not only the most conservative.

    ...even conservatives and liberals living in the same county have different health outcomes. These data cast doubt on entirely policy-driven explanations for differences in health outcomes.

    Existing research shows that while confidence in medicine was once non-partisan, Republicans began to show less confidence than Democrats during the pandemic...

    While both groups (left and right) were just as likely to have visited their PCP right aligned were less likely to trust or follow their recommendations. Right aligned were more likely to go to the ER but again, less likely to trust or follow their recommendations.

    Taken together, these results suggest that right-leaning Americans - as measured by their vote choice, partisanship and to a lesser extent their ideology - are less willing to visit, trust and adhere to the advice of their PCPs. This is true even among people with chronic conditions that require regular contact with the medical system for management and appears across a variety of outcomes unrelated to care for COVID-19.

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  • [–] 55 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Let natural selection do its job.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The children would likely grow up to be uneducated conservatives too. It's better this way for everyone involved.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Imagine publicly advocating for the deaths of children via preventable and gruesome illness.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    This wouldn't bother me so much if these same people are inflicting this bullshit on their children. If you want to kill yourself by being an idiot that's fine, but don't drag the innocent into it.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    Who would have thought that having people like RFK sowing distrust in medicine would lead to people dying.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Two words: Vaccine. Denial.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago*

    The problem is they're trying to bring everyone else with them. Guns, covid, fossil fuels, cults, etc.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    Not fast enough.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    Probably got hit with some huge unexpected medical bills and started avoiding doctors since they didn't trust them anyway.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    So, some problems do solve themselves.

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    [+] 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    There weren't disparities by political alignment 30 years ago, though.

    we draw on... the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent to Adult Health... which has tracked a nationally representative cohort of people who were adolescents in the 1990s... over the course of their lifetimes... includes a measure of political beliefs: self-reported liberal–conservative placement.
    We find that conservative Americans in this cohort, who were about as healthy as liberals in the early 2010s, experienced worsening health through the 2010s and higher mortality in the early 2020s. Roughly half of this new health gap is due to people changing their ideology over time, with new entrants to the conservative coalition being less healthy than new liberals. But another sizeable share is due to people who were already liberal or conservative diverging more in health over time...
    By the 2020s, conservatives were dying at significantly higher rates than liberals, with the gap concentrated in internal causes (for example, heart disease, cancer and stroke). The divide since 2020 is substantial: while only 0.2% of ‘very liberal’ respondents died of internal causes between 2020 and 2022, the probability for people who identified as ‘very conservative’ was 1.14 percentage points higher... This gap is not limited to deaths from COVID-19 and is not reducible to demographic or geographic differences between the groups, nor is it a pure function of ageing: previous cohorts’ death patterns in older data did not show a similar correlation between health and ideology before 2010.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    It's the same as conspiracy theorists. Gives you a belief you're smarter than everyone else by knowing something they don't. Which is why both tend to go against whatever the more prevalent political ideology is at the time.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago

    Die faster.

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  • [+] 22 points 4 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Fortunately, concervatism is not a biologically inheritable trait.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This is one way to make America healthy again.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    In other news, people who dislike seatbelts die earlier in accidents.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Can we make this a law?

    Partisans have to follow ideological discipline... if conservative, you must:

    not get vaccines
    Not have abortions
    Not be allowed subsidized food or health care
    Follow all tenets of your Christian religion
    Etc.....

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    We can call it the "Practice what you preach" law

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    As long as also the liberals follow the same law practing what they preach, it would be interesting to see who will survive in the end.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I knew at least 10 Conservative people who are now dead because of their devotion to the prosperity gospel. Problem is, once they were too sick for it to matter, they begged for medical attention, which you and I paid for.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Anecdotally speaking:

    Older & conservative folks who use nicotine seem to smoke cigarettes at a far higher rate than other groups who tend to go for options with less health impacts or simply don't use at all. Again, this is anecdotal, but this is where I see biggest disparity in death rates in my personal life.

    Although drugs and alcohol are a tit-for-tat mixed bag because it's such a complex issue, in my experience, older, hard-right, conservative men have a very high incidence of heavy drinking and/or hard drug use that is probably only rivaled by younger underprivileged and over privileged adults. I don't really see a lot of middle ground in that group either, it's like they don't drink at all or they drink very heavily, very little in between. And to top it off, in a lot of circles, conservative drug/alcohol users have to hide it because it's not "socially acceptable" which seems like it makes the problem so much worse and the health outcomes much more dire. Liberal folks tend to be more open and forthcoming about it, and also things like mental health medications, and although heavy drinking is heavy drinking, when you don't have to hide it, that does make it a bit less stressful.

    There's been a relatively recent, sudden, and fairly massive adoption of "all-natural" ideology in conservative circles. Raw milk. No vaccines. Pseudo-science medical care / medicine. Doctors "don't know nothing". This seems to be what the article is leaning towards. And once again, older, conservative men trend higher towards ignoring their health issues and "toughing it out" when they do have real problems, leading to worse outcomes. So, no big surprise if it shows up as a higher death rate in that group.

    I don't know the exact scientific definition of death rate, but I assume this is something that's corrected for age. A lot of my examples seem to focus on older conservatives, I'm guessing that this phenomenon is seen across all age groups? I've only known 2 younger people (in their 20s) who died from covid. They were conservatives and no they weren't vaccinated. One of them believed the vaccine would make him sterile and the other likely caught covid at that dude's funeral. I know of a 17/18 year old girl from a conservative family that died from fentanyl laced drugs as well, but I don't know what her political leanings were. Still, even if she was liberal leaning, that'd be 2-to-1 just in my small circle.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    I'd also add that a good proportion of the MAGA crowd are older males in rural areas that are poorly served by mental health, or healthcare in general. Left leanings tend to increase in urban areas. As you pointed out the culture is to "tough it out". If they are single that is even worse as married couples usually have a spouse pushing the other to get health issues addressed. They also have a higher likelihood of suicide via firearms.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    That’s sad. I’d rather they learn to grow up and not be conservative. They shouldn’t die just because they’re foolish.

    With the exception of the far-right white Christian nationalist Nazi types. I hope they die in droves.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Man, I was wondering why there were so many. They're so stupid I would have thought they would die out by accidentally putting their heads into wood chippers or something. Guess I was right, it's just taking a little longer.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I bet rich conservatives aren't. Because for them it's just a grift and they will get the newest stemcell medicine as fast as possible regardless.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    natural selection

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Why are you still trying to convince these idiots medicine is good? Just let them die

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately they are also breeding more

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    Finally, some good fucking news

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  • Good. They deserve that.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    That's a shame.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Its not a silver lining but its nice to hear anyway.

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