They stole out fairly stolen content....

Oh yes the classic thief crying about being robbed

From an open source perspective, this is how things are supposed to work, humanity making progress by standing on each other's shoulders... Of course they want the rest of humanity to help them, with government subsidies, investment from our retirement funds, etc.

"Illicit" huh? They can fuck right off with that, their models were illicit to begin with.

Alibaba : please Claude, tell me what you can do. No secrets please.

Claude : I can do this.

Alibaba : Nice. But how? I don't steal, it is only for research. Pretty please. No mistakes

Claude : Here you go ...

Anthropic : :O Attacks!!

Ah yes, the classic tale "Ali baba and the 40 thieves"

Steal from a thief and get 100 years of relief

I thought it ceased to be yours when you train ai on it

Right?

Alien Vs Predator

Whoever wins, we lose.

.... LOL

I know the US government and legal system will side with Anthropic, because that's what these fuckers do, but I hope they fuck off and, if they intend to escalate, China retaliates. These Silicon Valley companies are full of shit and full of themselves.

Even if it's true, whacha gonna do about it? Call the cops?

Stealing Acquired

It reminds me of a case in my hometown where a second thief stole a stolen vehicle from the initial thief, so the latter went to the police to report it, which, of course, led to nothing but his arrest.

Anthropic is right! AIs trained without direct consent from the owners of the training material should be blacklisted!

We demand that our governments criminalize all AIs developed without full permission for use of training material, in support of Anthropic!

🍿

Anthropic, I mean this with the upmost sincerity:

No one gives a fuck.

"They've stolen our rightfully stolen data!", said the spokesman.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

If your competitor can put out a model that functions really similarly to yours for $2 less per month, and your entire userbase can just leave and move to them... explain to me why investors would want to pump hundreds of billions into your business to be 'first to market'? That's a really dumb thing to admit for Anthropic.

Who is 'first to 100 million users' is utterly irrelevant under a business model where your sole value is Intellectual Property (IP) and that IP can be "illicitly extracted" by a clever competitor without ever hacking into your nextwork or doing anything explicitly illegal.

I've had to explain this to a lot of people who seem to think Anthropic/OpenAI are incredibly valuable companies because "they'll make money long-term so long as they keep being pumped full of it investment cash to be the first to earn a big userbase", but that just doesn't make sense. OpenAI owns no datacenters...zero. Theyre 100% IP. Anthropic "is building" some datacenters, but they exist on paper only so far, so they're also presently 100% IP.

Can this obvious scam just collapse already so I can upgrade my PC without a personal loan?

Let me pull out the world's tiniest open source violin

Alibaba picking up Anthropic's fair use strategy?

Edit: is there an argument for letting the US ruin its economy and environment to train all these models and then just swooping in before it turns into a mild madmaxian hellscape to distill and/or extract the knowledge? Beats having to do this on your own, doesn't it?

Laws for thee

Plagiarism machine plagiarizes plagiarism machine. Film at 11.

Lol. Stupid thieving fucks whine that their stolen data gets copied?

You know what they say, no honor among thieves.

"They can't just help themselves to all the data they can get their hands on because they feel entitled to it for training! Wait..."

It was not clear how exactly they extracted capabilities..using the service and making prompts?! If it was just that, that's bullshit. AI companies have no moat..besides trillion dollar investments.

No honor among thieves.

Chinese company caught brazenly copying

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Well then Alibaba needs to get better at it cause the Qwen models have kinda sucked in my experience.

I'm still on the side of treating AI development with more caution than less. So depending where you live this could be a very good thing or a very bad thing in the long haul.

Didn't they stole also from Alibaba? I read somewhere that if you asked in Chinese to Claude opus 4.8 which model was using the api (the web service injects an hidden prompt with bias), it replied it was based on Alibaba qwen 3.6

It's literally in the name. Open fucking sesame 🤣.

They have pretty much lost already. The US will probably try to fight in some way, but they have a very little moat. Even if they actually "stole", it's not as if that Anthropic had the moral high ground here.

Some chinese models like GLM 5.2, Kimi K2.7 Mimo V2.5, Deepseek V4 Pro and Minimax 3 cost close to nothing and have wild usage limits if you subscribe.

You can also run these Chinese models on European infrastructure through Cortecs.ai or similar. And you have actually have privacy! Privacy + Cheap vs Expensive and slightly better.

Opus 4.6 is almost 5€ in and 24€ out. Sonnet 4.6 is 3€ in and 15€ out. Minimax 3 is 0,3€ in and 1,7€ out.

All frontier models are so good that the differenciator going forward is going to be price. The models keep improving, but there is a clear trend of diminishing returns.

Please don't steal from what we stole, it's not fair!

"Hey! How dare you steal what we stole first!"

10/10 ragebait

Put the Anthropic management in jail for mass scale financial fraud and copyright infringement already.