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No thanks, Honey isn't vegan (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I was going to joke about "Milk is simply processed grass" but then you said

I practically live on cheese, but I could see arguments for dairy products not being vegan

Brother, cheese is not vegan. Are you confusing it with vegetarian? Vegan = no animal derived product. Eggs, milk, wool, etc. are not allowed.

That said "is honey vegan" is debated and there isn't really one consensus. Some vegans allow it, others don't. The main issue is that most honeys are not harvested in ethical ways & their apiaries are not set in a way to benefit the surrounding ecology.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (4 children)

    If we're going to consider surrounding ecology when determining if something is or isn't vegan, I have some bad news about vegetables.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I mean I'm not even vegetarian so idk what you want me to say.

    Are you implying a produce based diet is worse for the ecosystem than one inclusive of meat? Because I have some bad news for you

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    Wrong

    Veganism is against the exploitation of animals as far as possible and practicable. It is possible and practicable to stop breeding them into existence to murder them. You have to grow 10x the amount of plants to feed animals to eat it than to just eat the soy beans yourself.

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago*

    I think you've read more into my reply than there is. The person I was responding to mentions the effect modern apiaries have on local ecology. If that is a factor you consider when determining if something is/isn't vegan, that would make many vegetables and plant products also not vegan. Personally, I don't see a big difference between destroying the environment of Oragutans so I can grow Quinoa and shooting that same orangutan or* somehow exploiting said oragutan for profit. I think, ultimately, I wonder if real veganism is even possible under capitalism.

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